Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road)

[Muzz67]

350k of burnouts?

[oneblackflag]

Got a MT 21 on the rear of the WRR today to match the front; impressed so far seems really stable on the seal lent over as far as my old Shinko 700. Ridiculously wide 130 as thats all that was available and I couldn't wait for an order.

[oneblackflag]

Do you think this one would squirrel around in the gravel?
Day 1 on Dakar Rally, Helder Rodrigues Metzeler Karoo Extreme after 350km.

[IMG]

Hmmm, I guess those mousse's got a bit hot.

Nice straight line contact patch :cool:

[XF650]

Nordie would still use that

[NordieBoy]

Nordie would still use that
And then when it was really worn, Padmei would get some use out of it.

[Trials Rider]

And then when it was really worn, Padmei would get some use out of it.

And then regroove it to get one more year out of it :bleh: :laugh:

[10bikekid]

I have been useing Shinko 700 front /rear for a couple years now on the XT660R...
As far as I'm concerned theres not a better tyre of this type/prise range
on the market... On to my 3rd set & there will be a 4th set after these are done.
Done 2 DB1k on them..


Sounds like a ringing endorsement!

I went for a ride today and on the gravel my trailwing was pretty squirrelly, I don't think I'll do much other than sealed roads until I replace that tyre. It doesn't have a whole lot of tread left anyway.


I second Petes endorsment. They should be worth more.

Would also recommend trying the 244, just a bit more grip off road and great on, have done 2700k and tread has gone down from 12mm to 9mm (including 1500k road trip so perhaps would wear more in general use) running 33psi except in the sand (20psi)
Am awaiting a front 244 to arrive to replace the original front so am hoping that will impress as well
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[NordieBoy]

I've always thought they should do an MT21 rear with the 244 rubber compound.

[pete-blen]

I've always thought they should do an MT21 rear with the 244 rubber compound.

or even a 244 with the MT21 tread patten...:niceone:

[NordieBoy]

or even a 244 with the MT21 tread patten...:niceone:

Don't be silly, that would be awful...

[10bikekid]

Don't be silly, that would be awful...

And too cheap :cool:

[MarkH]

I went for a ride today and on the gravel my trailwing was pretty squirrelly, I don't think I'll do much other than sealed roads until I replace that tyre. It doesn't have a whole lot of tread left anyway.

With an E700 on the rear I decided to go for a wee ride yesterday, went to Whatawhata and headed along Old Mountain Road, through to Vandy road and then back again the way I came.
There is still movement between the bike and the road due to gravel being a moving surface, but to me it doesn't feel particularly squirrelly any more. The E700 tyre seems to have pretty good bite into the gravel and provides good traction for being on gravel, it also feels fine on the sealed roads.


I have been useing Shinko 700 front /rear for a couple years now on the XT660R...
As far as I'm concerned theres not a better tyre of this type/prise range
on the market... On to my 3rd set & there will be a 4th set after these are done.
Done 2 DB1k on them..

Once my Mitas wears out I'll go with an E700 for the front.
The E700 seems good and as a bonus it is really well priced, I'm having trouble thinking of a reason not to go with the Shinko for the front when I need a new tyre.
I'll also go with a new E700 on the rear when the current one needs replacing, I'm happy with its performance and unless something better becomes known to me in the mean time my plan is to stick with this tyre.

I did find that when I was going a bit quick and moving down hill and braking for a corner the Mitas E07 did lock up, but probably that would have happened with other tyres as well, releasing the front brake was all I needed to keep control and on a loose surface you just can't get the same braking as on tarmac. I don't think that the E07 is performing too bad on sealed roads or on gravel, but the Shinko E700 would be as good I think and it is cheaper - so no reason not to switch to the Shinko when the time comes.

In short:
Like Pete I'm planning on Shinko E700 tyres for my next tyres on both front & back.

[RMOTO]

Latest Tyre reviews on RemoteMoto :

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[Danger Dave]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks

[Oscar]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks


You work for W. Whites?

[Night Falcon]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks

Have looked at those on the net; understand a 120/90/18 is coming? in which case I'd be happy for you to supply one for the ultimate 530 review DD :shifty:

[Danger Dave]

You work for W. Whites?

Yes I Do :niceone:

[Oscar]

Yes I Do :niceone:

My bro works there - Roughy.

[Danger Dave]

I know, he's a good man is Roughy

[_Shrek_]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks

tell your importer they're no good on big bikes, I've had 4 sets of shinko's & they've all delaminated, CT won't have a bar of it, they said to get hold of importers but wouldn't say who they were :confused:
not blaming or having a crack at you DD but as you work for them may be you can tell your boss

[Bluft]

I ran the e805 on a dr650 for the dusty butt this year. Had a penetrating puncture by 160km. Something went right through it. On looking close there were numerous little cracks and pierses all over the place. Took it easy till Alex. Had a big goudge to the canvis by then. Purchased a e09 from ther to carry around the rest of the way for a spare for fear of the e805 totally giving out. I was sure it was not going to make the distance and over the Awakino. It did however make it the rest if the way. Possibly very soft rubber?? I wasn't happy with durability and performance

[BMWGSER]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks

Do they fall apart like E705 does? I will never buy a Shinko ever again, no back up after they start to Delaminate. Don't touch a Shinko

[Rhys]

Never had a problem with my e705 done about 7,500 on the first set and about 4,000 on the current set, I normally run higher tyre pressure thought, so heat shouldn't be a problem, and hp certainly won't be a problem

[_Shrek_]

Never had a problem with my e705 done about 7,500 on the first set and about 4,000 on the current set, I normally run higher tyre pressure thought, so heat shouldn't be a problem, and hp certainly won't be a problem

mostly big bikes Rhys they don't seem to carry the weight, but there are those running 650's have had the same probs, even running 40 & 37 made no difference

[NordieBoy]

Wonder if it's mainly 650's that are loaded up that have issues?
No issues on the 350 or 650 here and pressures from 16-24psi on the rear depending on conditions (120 width versions only).
At about 27,000km on the front now and still legal. Normally 12,000 or so km from a rear.

[Danger Dave]

tell your importer they're no good on big bikes, I've had 4 sets of shinko's & they've all delaminated, CT won't have a bar of it, they said to get hold of importers but wouldn't say who they were :confused:
not blaming or having a crack at you DD but as you work for them may be you can tell your boss

I'll pass it on for sure, what model tyres were they? interesting that the dealer didn't want to help as we can't do anything about it if they don't tell us.

[Bluft]

I'll pass it on for sure, what model tyres were they? interesting that the dealer didn't want to help as we can't do anything about it if they don't tell us.

Mine was the e805 running on an unloaded dr650. Brand new tyre that within a couple of hundred km of riding recieved its first puncture. On cLoser inspection had heaps of near penetrations through canvis. Another couple of hrs and there was some serious splits/ chuncks out right into the carcass. Just made it through the day on a brand new tyre. Brother was running an e09. Barely a scratch

[george formby]

In defence of Shinko after sales, I received a replacement 705 double quick when the <1000k rear showed a rip. Debatable if it was a tire or road surface issue but not a quibble.

[_Shrek_]

I'll pass it on for sure, what model tyres were they? interesting that the dealer didn't want to help as we can't do anything about it if they don't tell us.

the 705's 3 sets & full bore M40 (shinko with another name) 1 set

[_Shrek_]

In defence of Shinko after sales, I received a replacement 705 double quick when the <1000k rear showed a rip. Debatable if it was a tire or road surface issue but not a quibble.

as I did the 1st time it happened, but they (CT) wont even answer emails & if you call.... the person you need to speak to bla bla bla

[RMOTO]

Hi Guys, just a quick question, has anybody tried the new Shinko E804/E805? I work for the importer of Shinko and was just wondering if anyone has tried them that can give me some real world feedback.

Thanks

Hi Dave

I've never been inclined to run Shinko tyres firstly due to the lack of tread patterns in my preference for adventure riding and secondly due to the numerous reviews on the net similar to Shrek’s where tyres delaminate (albeit mainly on heavy or fully laden bikes). I would rather outlay more money for reputable tyres and avoid having a tyre fail in the middle of a trip (or the middle of nowhere).

Not that I take every bad review as gospel, as we all know with the variables involved in tyre manufacturing it is impossible to make every tyre that makes its way off the production line perfect, even highly reputable manufacturers on occasion produce a tyre (or a batch) that prematurely fails. What I took into consideration with my research on Shinko was the higher volume of fail rates associated with the Shinko brand plus the high number of underwhelming reviews from those who didn’t experience failures.

It was interesting to read about the release of the Shinko E804/E805, I thought Shinko may have stepped up to the plate and designed a more robust tyre considering it is angled at the adventure market. The block pattern design looks inviting to give it a try (I always enjoy trying new tyres) however Bluft’s review doesn't immediately install confidence to do so. If it can’t handle the DB1K terrain this is not promising for those adventure riding New Zealand as a good portion of NZ has similar terrain and tyre demands. Even with acknowledging that this is just one single review on the tyre, it would take a number of good reviews (from reputable riders) for me to consider putting one on my bike.

Apologies if that is not the feedback you would prefer to hear considering this is a brand you import however I'm sure as a salesman working for a large importer/distributor you will appreciate honest, constructive customer feedback from all angles.

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[Rhys]

Wonder if it's mainly 650's that are loaded up that have issues?
No issues on the 350 or 650 here and pressures from 16-24psi on the rear depending on conditions (120 width versions only).
At about 27,000km on the front now and still legal. Normally 12,000 or so km from a rear.

We recently had a look around the South Island 2 up on the f650. Wife had shoes/clothes for any occasion, summer wear winter wear etc probably 50-60 kg did 3,000 km
The 705 were brilliant I run about 35 psi in the rear, they were new on when we left, we did mainly sealed roads but some gravel and I've done a quite a few tracks / farm land since and minimal wear

[Woodman]

I have run a fullbore/shinko 705, a sr244 shinko and a couple of shinko 700s on the KLR and all lasted about the same as any other tyre I had on it.

After reading shreks reports though, I won't be sticking one on the BMW.

[RMOTO]

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As an example, check out Nordieboy’s video review on the Shinko 705 here: Shinko 705 Review on RemoteMoto (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/shinko-705-rear/)

[NordieBoy]

Hi all, we have just extended the video support on RemoteMoto so you can add videos to your tyre reviews.

As an example, check out Nordieboy’s video review on the Shinko 705 here: Shinko 705 Review on RemoteMoto (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/shinko-705-rear/)
:D

And I didn't even need to ask...

[Underground]

I've just taken off a set of 705's and done 4000km on Anakee 3's and the difference is like night and day on every kind of surface.
The Shinko is all over the place under acceleration and braking on gravel whereas the A3's (rear in particular) actually seem to stick to the gravel.
Seal is likewise with the Shinko tracking all over the place and slipping in the wet, not very confidence inspiring.
After riding the A3's long distance in the wet they didnt once get out of shape, so I guess its the compounds they use (cheap versus good)
I've got some part used 705's if anyone wants them, they won't be going back on my bike.

[NordieBoy]

How many km is part used?

[Underground]

Front has done 2 x TT2000's and both rears have done one, practically brand new in your books.

[snodpete]

Just fitted my third rear since getting the 990 a year ago - still running the same front Metzeler which was new when I got the bike. PO did tell me 'this bike eats rear tyres' - now I know what he means! Conti TKC70 is supposed to be a long laster, looking forward to that :cool:
309684

[pete-blen]

Has anyone used the Kenda 761...
Not seen anything about them good / bad or other wise...

[puddytat]

And.....has anyone used Michelin T63's.
Bike is a xr4hundy.

[Night Falcon]

And.....has anyone used Michelin T63's.
Bike is a xr4hundy.

I used one on rear of a 690. Great dual sport tire and wears well on the road for a knobby. Have one on my 530 which is yet to be tested. Good review of it and others here RemoteMoto (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/)

[RMOTO]

Latest tyre addition and review on the Bridgestone ED04

www.remotemoto.com/tyres/bridgestone-ed04-rear/

[Oscar]

And.....has anyone used Michelin T63's.
Bike is a xr4hundy.

I used one on my 950ADV.
Pretty similar to a TKC80 and I would buy either depending on price.

I used to use road legal knobs on my XR400 - things like the Pirelli Rallycross (MT21 now I think).

[pomgolian]

I used one on my 950ADV.
Pretty similar to a TKC80 and I would buy either depending on price.

I used to use road legal knobs on my XR400 - things like the Pirelli Rallycross (MT21 now I think).

Best all rounder on the Dr650 good on or off road with good life did 7k round South Island - can't seem to get rear's at mo though several suppliers out of stock and have had one on order for four weeks.

[dino3310]

And.....has anyone used Michelin T63's.
Bike is a xr4hundy.

AC10 on the front of my xr600, when i had $$$ the T63 went well on the back:laugh:

[puddytat]

None to be had in Nelson at the moment seemingly....had to settle for ac 10s, hope they work out o.k but the reviews for tarseal are a tad scary. Longevity is also not that awesum either, but for the price well...
better cut the fuckers out before winter.:yes:
Next time I'll do some ringing around before rocking up with the rims:brick:

[clint640]

And.....has anyone used Michelin T63's.
Bike is a xr4hundy.

Wouldn't rate the front, Pirelli MT21 is a better bet there. Rears are ok. The T63, (& the similar Mitas E0-9) has quite a transverse bar pattern which seems to be more prone to stepping out sideways in the slippery stuff than others.

At a similar level of knobbiness I would rather have a Motoz Tractionator Desert HT (cheap & wears about the same) or a Dunlop D606 ($$$ but wears a bit better maybe). MT21 rears grip well while they last but evaporate real quick.

Cheers
Clint

[fridayflash]

heres a cheapie for someone...with winter looming and all

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-863675039.htm

[Tazz]

Anyone used the Kenda K770D rear on road?

[MarkH]

heres a cheapie for someone...with winter looming and all

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-863675039.htm

I've been thinking (since my 42nd traverse ride with adventureridingnz guys) that I really need to learn to change my own tyres and that I should have some aggressive knobbly tyres for trips where I will be doing challenging off-road tracks like the 42nd traverse or old Whangamomona road.

What I'm thinking is that a tyre like mentioned - 2nd hand for $10, that could be a good option to spoon on and go do a fun trail. Upon returning from that trip it would pay to re-mount a 50/50 tyre or an older tyre that is no longer good for proper offroading.

So, how do you guys handle the very challenging range of requirements from your dual sport tyres? Aggressive knobbly tyres might be just the ticket on an off-road track but surely you can't ride much sealed roads with them before they aren't knobbly enough any more. I'm almost thinking that I would have liked to strap a tyre (particularly a rear) to the bike and changed it once I got to Taumarunui, then changed back for the ride home - does anyone do this?

[dino3310]

I did one Kcr ride through there on a Mitchy s12 rear, being a mx tyre it was easy to get on and off

[Tazz]

So, how do you guys handle the very challenging range of requirements from your dual sport tyres? Aggressive knobbly tyres might be just the ticket on an off-road track but surely you can't ride much sealed roads with them before they aren't knobbly enough any more. I'm almost thinking that I would have liked to strap a tyre (particularly a rear) to the bike and changed it once I got to Taumarunui, then changed back for the ride home - does anyone do this?

I have three sets of rims, but unless you want full MX knobblies more aggressive tyres don't wear or ride as bad as you would think so I rarely swap between.

[MarkH]

I have three sets of rims, but unless you want full MX knobblies more aggressive tyres don't wear or ride as bad as you would think so I rarely swap between.

How long would my $10 tyre last?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-863675039.htm

At that price it isn't a huge deal, but wouldn't mind keeping the knobbly tyre gripping well off-road for as long as possible.
I picked it up from Drury and it was pretty easy to strap it to the bike.

[Tazz]

How long would my $10 tyre last?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/tyres/auction-863675039.htm

At that price it isn't a huge deal, but wouldn't mind keeping the knobbly tyre gripping well off-road for as long as possible.
I picked it up from Drury and it was pretty easy to strap it to the bike.

I'm just about to pull mine off after a bit over 3000k I think. I didn't really keep close track though to be honest. It wore to 2/3rd or 1/2 wayish pretty fast then has taken ages to go through the last bit as a run around tyre. I actually took an AC10 to Chch with me to swap it out on Monday but left it there as there was still more than enough to get home :laugh: It's only good for gravel and slab now though.
Local dude used to run them on his beamer.

I would love to replace it with the same again but cycletreads are still out of stock in my size and moto-zone or whatever it's called want $30 bucks more :facepalm: so AC10 it is.

[chasio]

If anyone wants a fairly well worn pair of E-09's for free, 140/80-17 and 100/90-19, just let me know. I wouldn't tackle much more than gravel on this set myself, but there's a bit of wear left in them.

[rocketman1]

Had Anakee 2 on my R1150GS they were great on the road, Ok on packed dirt roads, I put a TKC80 on the front, found it quite a good compromise with the Anakee on the back. It was much better in the dirt as the front felt planted, and didnt slide out anymore, it was also very good on the road, never had an issue except when it started to wear and it gave a funny sound , bit like Land Rover tyres. The TKC80s do not last long on the back of big BMW bikes with high torque, some mates where only getting 4000 kms or less.
Anakees will easily do 10000km. They way I ride anyway.
Have Metzler Tourances on the front of the 1200 at the moment, I rate them as good as the Anakee's for road roading.

[Oscar]

Had Anakee 2 on my R1150GS they were great on the road, Ok on packed dirt roads, I put a TKC80 on the front, found it quite a good compromise with the Anakee on the back. It was much better in the dirt as the front felt planted, and didnt slide out anymore, it was also very good on the road, never had an issue except when it started to wear and it gave a funny sound , bit like Land Rover tyres. The TKC80s do not last long on the back of big BMW bikes with high torque, some mates where only getting 4000 kms or less.
Anakees will easily do 10000km. They way I ride anyway.
Have Metzler Tourances on the front of the 1200 at the moment, I rate them as good as the Anakee's for road roading.

4000km on a rear TKC???
You lucky bastid....

[R650R]

Well I've been really happy with the performance of the Michelin Pilot Powers on tarmac but damn they are pretty good offroad too.
Have taken the GSXR on some good off highway excursions lately and they have been fine on gravel. Pics from today up Comet Hut rd in Kawekas.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0NXe246IFdvTUoxYlZLdnNwVk0/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0NXe246IFdvV01HbWpDNGsySWM/view?usp=sharing

[_Shrek_]

Had Anakee 2 on my R1150GS they were great on the road, Ok on packed dirt roads, I put a TKC80 on the front, found it quite a good compromise with the Anakee on the back. It was much better in the dirt as the front felt planted, and didnt slide out anymore, it was also very good on the road, never had an issue except when it started to wear and it gave a funny sound , bit like Land Rover tyres. The TKC80s do not last long on the back of big BMW bikes with high torque, some mates where only getting 4000 kms or less.
Anakees will easily do 10000km. They way I ride anyway.
Have Metzler Tourances on the front of the 1200 at the moment, I rate them as good as the Anakee's for road roading.

I turn my TKC's at about 1/2 worn that way they last & wear a bit better

[RMOTO]

Another three reviews just submitted on the Bridgestone Trail Wing 302 and the Bridgestone Trail Wing 301 adding to the depth of feedback

You can view them here: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/bridgestone-trail-wing-302-rear/

and here: http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/bridgestone-trail-wing-301-front/

[Underground]

I turn my TKC's at about 1/2 worn that way they last & wear a bit better

Aah, it all starts to make sense now..... You use a fence for this 'tyre turning' process, right? :whistle:

[_Shrek_]

Aah, it all starts to make sense now..... You use a fence for this 'tyre turning' process, right? :whistle:

it's a real art...you realize :motu:

[RMOTO]

I've just posted a second review on the GoldenTyre GT333 tyre with surprisingly different longevity

www.remotemoto.com/tyres/goldentyre-gt-333-rear/

[missmilo24]

I'm looking for off road/on road tyres for my CRF250L but a bit unsure of what the best option is... I ride 60% on road, 35% gravel and 5% off road. I mainly want something that handles well on the road but is still good on gravel. I'm quite light and not an aggressive rider at all.
T63, MT 70, TKC80, Kenda k270 or something else? At the moment my bike has Kenda k760s on it but these are way too offroad and don't do well on tarmac. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

[pete-blen]

Shinko 700 ..... 50/50 <=========
Shinko 704 ..... 30/70
Shinko 705 ..... 80/20

Heres a few yobbo's that try and ADV ride around Blenheim....
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973206





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[missmilo24]

Thanks Pete - my brother has Shinko 700s on his DR650 which he took up Mt Patriarch the other day he said they were mint, might look at those for my bike :-)

[NordieBoy]

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
On gravel, do you stand or sit?
The more you stand, the less of a knob you need.

[missmilo24]

At the moment i would sit more than stand on gravel as I'm still not that confident on it - most of my riding has been totally offroad as a kid and tarmac as an adult.

[NordieBoy]

Try standing more, the bike feels less freaky as it moves about then.

[george formby]

Try standing more, the bike feels less freaky as it moves about then.

Yup. My G/F was pretty rigid riding on gravel but 6 months playing on a trials bike has loosened her up nicely. That sounds terrible.
Any hoo. Still got shinko 705's on the DT at road pressures, skinny 4.10 on the rear. Gravel grip amazes me, the skinny tires cut straight through & bite, bit of a twitch initially then it's all forward momentum. Might put them on the CRM when it gets on the road. Excellent wear on a light bike, too.
Cheers Nordie.

[NordieBoy]

Need to replace my front 705 on the DR650 now.
About 32,000km old and getting a bit shiny on the right side.

[Rhys]

Can't complain about that sort of mileage

[RMOTO]

Need to replace my front 705 on the DR650 now.
About 32,000km old and getting a bit shiny on the right side.

I respect your approach to conservation. The fact that you wear your tyres past the tread, past the casing and ride the last 2,000km on the tube itself is a testament to your efforts to make the most of our precious resources at hand. God bless you Fran :p

[NordieBoy]

Everyone knows it's just because I wheelie everywhere...




That's when you go wheelie slow isn't it?

[10bikekid]

I'd get bored after 32k, my Shinko 244 front has done 2k on the KLR, great tire but I'm thinking of changing to a T63

[Night Falcon]

What is the deal with the 908RR costing $477.59 ? does it last for like 20,000 K's or something? Will buying one at this price make you a better, safer rider?

http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/tyres/adventure-tyres/dunlop-tyres-2/dunlop-d908rr-enduro-dual.aspx

[flashg]

What is the deal with the 908RR costing $477.59 ? does it last for like 20,000 K's or something? Will buying one at this price make you a better, safer rider?



http://www.motozone.co.nz/products/tyres/adventure-tyres/dunlop-tyres-2/dunlop-d908rr-enduro-dual.aspx


No need to worry now, just checked that website and they are sold out. Maybe they are really good or they only had one in stock and managed to sell it. That is expensive though

[RMOTO]

A review on the MotoZ Tractionator ST (rear) which performed remarkably well

Click here to view the MotoZ Tractionator ST (rear) review (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/motoz-tractionator-st-rear/review-97/)

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[Black Knight]

Does anyone know the name and contact details of the place in Amberley (Canterbury) that sells offroad tyres,I have been trying to contact them via TM but my messages get answered by someone overseas-Thanks in advance.

[Transalper]

What is their TM account name? Is it thomasbt ?

The thomasbt account seems to be the most prominent adventure tyre advertiser on TM in Amberley so I'm going to assume it is.
Among the tyre adds I found one advert by them for a BMW screen and another for a Quad bike which included phone numbers which I googled back to...
City Motorcycle & Scooter Services
4 Mclean Drive
RD 1 Amberley
e: info@citymotorcyclerentals.com
p: 03 3149947

If it's not them then I have no idea.

[Woodman]

Does anyone know the name and contact details of the place in Amberley (Canterbury) that sells offroad tyres,I have been trying to contact them via TM but my messages get answered by someone overseas-Thanks in advance.

kiwi motorcycle rentals

andrea@motorcyclerentals.kiwi

www.kiwimotorcyclerentals.com

033149947

[Black Knight]

Thanks guys--I think both your replies are same company with different name as both have same phone #

[Transalper]

Yea, you're right, chased City Motorcycle & Scooter Services down a bit more online and you end up redirected around to www.kiwimotorcyclerentals.com with the same physical address too.

[Black Knight]

Thanks for link to your site

[MarkH]

I've ordered a couple of Kenda tyres off cycletreads for when I'm going 'proper off-road' due to being unhappy at how the 50/50 tyres work in slippery mud.
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/225-kenda_off_road/1535-kenda_k770d.aspx on special at $79 instead of $125 made it worth giving one a try.
I also ordered a front for $59.

I'm also trying to decide what the bike should be using for all the normal riding where it is mainly seal along with some gravel. I liked the Shinko E700 tyres when I got them but half worn they don't really feel that great on gravel, still perfectly fine on sealed roads though.
My front E07 that came on the bike is still lasting well and I'm tempted to keep using that one and buy a new E07 for the rear, I suspect that they will work out cheaper than the Shinko tyres due to how long they tend to last.

[bart]

I've ordered a couple of Kenda tyres off cycletreads for when I'm going 'proper off-road' due to being unhappy at how the 50/50 tyres work in slippery mud.
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/225-kenda_off_road/1535-kenda_k770d.aspx on special at $79 instead of $125 made it worth giving one a try.
I also ordered a front for $59.


Is this for your DR650. You might need multiple rim locks as the 18 inch tyre may spin a little on the 17 inch rim. At least it'd be easy to fit.

[Black Knight]

OK-I ended up buying Heidenau K60 Scout tires from Kiwi Bike Rentals--Good price,good service and there are some good reps on these-Time will tell-A word of warning,take the front tire and wheel to a tyre shop to machine fit,almost impossible to spoon on-we did it,it was a Sunday,and took two hours struggle even with a hair drier and longer levers.

[bart]

OK-I ended up buying Heidenau K60 Scout tires from Kiwi Bike Rentals--Good price,good service and there are some good reps on these-Time will tell-A word of warning,take the front tire and wheel to a tyre shop to machine fit,almost impossible to spoon on-we did it,it was a Sunday,and took two hours struggle even with a hair drier and longer levers.

What size front is it? I've never had issues with a front tyre...but I'm known to get a little heavy handed with a large rubber hammer. Beat it into submission. :whistle:

[george formby]

OK-I ended up buying Heidenau K60 Scout tires from Kiwi Bike Rentals--Good price,good service and there are some good reps on these-Time will tell-A word of warning,take the front tire and wheel to a tyre shop to machine fit,almost impossible to spoon on-we did it,it was a Sunday,and took two hours struggle even with a hair drier and longer levers.

:yes: My Dad just fitted a pair to his KDX 200sr and said the same thing. He ordered some East German tire levers at the same time, fortunately. What bike are you going to get dusty Black Knight?

We might be heading over your way on Sunday, The Farm. Off road only, though.

[MarkH]

Is this for your DR650. You might need multiple rim locks as the 18 inch tyre may spin a little on the 17 inch rim. At least it'd be easy to fit.

For the DR650 but on a DR350 18" wheel, with TUbliss system which works as an inflatable 360° rim lock.

[bart]

For the DR650 but on a DR350 18" wheel, with TUbliss system which works as an inflatable 360° rim lock.

Ahhhh. That makes more sense. Though I was having a quiet chuckle thinking of the expression on your face when the wrong sized tyre turned up. :eek: You know...small things amuse small minds etc. :laugh:

[tri boy]

So kanny wanted a less aggressive tyre on her KLE, so the MT21's came off, and after visiting John at Boyds, aka He who is the master at pencil sharpen ing, a pair of A3's went on.

First off, I went for the 120/90 over the std 130/90, as the 120 was on the rack, and John frowned at me when I asked for the same sharp price, on a wider tyre, that he would have to order in:motu:, plus the KLE is hardly going to be under tyred with a 120.

Secondly, these arenot tyres you want change by hand on a isolated trail. Fark they were hard, as the sidewalls are as stiff as a stiff thing.

Beading out the front took 100psi, (the kle fr rim has aggressive grip grooves on the inside.

Anywhoo, after a quick 70km scrub in ride over country seal, and a fang over about 20km of gravel road, I'm well impressed.

Great hook up on gravel, surprised by the amount of fr brake that can be used on gravel, and very confidence inspiring.

Ok, they will be horrible on mud,clay,and maybe wet grass, but they are fine on dry grass.

Good enough for a trip through the Molesworth and Rainbow, and smooth as silk on the seal.
I like the Shinko705, (thanks nordie for pushing the barrow), but the Anakee3 is a far better tyre IMHO

Two tyres plus two new tubes via Boyds cost $340. Can't complain at that.:msn-wink:

[mikemike104]

Finally replaced aging TW41 and E705 with new Shinkos on the Transalp, went out on Sunday and explored the as yet unopened Cambridge expressway. Threw a bit of everything at the new tires and was impressed over all, they reminded me of riding an actual dirt bike in soft dirt and felt great while stood up on all sorts of gravel. I even found a long nice patch of decent mud and was very happy with the way the tires handled it.

I was told I should expect 4000k's, not bad for the little I paid for them :scooter:

[NordieBoy]

Only 8000?

[Digitdion]

I had Michelin Anakee 3's put on my 09 1200gs a few weeks ago. Done about 2000 k's on them now.
Very happy with them. Nice and assured on the black top. And they hook up well on bumpy and dusty as hell gravel. I want a tyre that will perform on the road and do ok on gravel. I do not need a hard core off road tyre, and can not afford them for the big bike. I would chew threw way to many off road tyres on the big beemer.
A thumbs up for the Anakee 3.

[pete-blen]

Avon's new ADV tyre.... trailrider...
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/sites/motorcyclistonline.com/files/styles/small_1x_/public/images/2015/05/tr_11.jpg?itok=es2A2vmz

http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAAahUKEwiTmebwocHIAhVCG6YKHVXeAf4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcyclistonline.com%2Favon-trailrider-tires-new-products-adv-adventure-touring-sport-touring-tires&usg=AFQjCNEyYCXiXntH-LMjkNBlevug_YNVJA&sig2=-j3soVEIxVXBEhtnNF7u0g

[_Shrek_]

I had Michelin Anakee 3's put on my 09 1200gs a few weeks ago. Done about 2000 k's on them now.

can let us know how many k's you get out of them cheers :apint:

[Padmei]

Finally replaced aging TW41 and E705 with new Shinkos on the Transalp, went out on Sunday and explored the as yet unopened Cambridge expressway. Threw a bit of everything at the new tires and was impressed over all, they reminded me of riding an actual dirt bike in soft dirt and felt great while stood up on all sorts of gravel. I even found a long nice patch of decent mud and was very happy with the way the tires handled it.

I was told I should expect 4000k's, not bad for the little I paid for them :scooter:

Just put one 804 on the rear. will be interesting to see the difference between the e07 & this. $135 off tme. not bad i thought

[Digitdion]

can let us know how many k's you get out of them cheers :apint:

Yeah Will do!

[RMOTO]

can let us know how many k's you get out of them cheers :apint:

Hi ya Shrek

A couple of local ADV riders have put up reviews on the Michelin Anakee 3 on RemoteMoto. Currently it has an overall rating of 73% with the following life stats:

Tyre life (Conservative riding) 10,400 km 2.5 cents per km
Tyre life (General riding) 9,000 km 2.9 cents per km
Tyre life (Aggressive riding) 6,400 km 4 cents per km

Review here: Michelin Anakee 3 Review (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/michelin-anakee-3-rear/)

[_Shrek_]

Hi ya Shrek

A couple of local ADV riders have put up reviews on the Michelin Anakee 3 on RemoteMoto. Currently it has an overall rating of 73% with the following life stats:

Tyre life (Conservative riding) 10,400 km 2.5 cents per km
Tyre life (General riding) 9,000 km 2.9 cents per km
Tyre life (Aggressive riding) 6,400 km 4 cents per km

Review here: Michelin Anakee 3 Review (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/michelin-anakee-3-rear/)

cheers :apint: as I seem to be doing a lot more on road as Mrs S now has a tractor so may just have to move off knobblies for a while

[Underground]

cheers :apint: as I seem to be doing a lot more on road as Mrs S now has a tractor so may just have to move off knobblies for a while

I've been running A3's for 10,500km now Shrek and they are half worn, fairly aggressive riding I suppose you would call it (TT2000 and NI1600)
but the old Africa Twin is kind on tyres, you will manage to melt the rubber a bit quicker than that.
They are an awesome all roads tyre, just don't expect the front to keep you upright if you come across a bit of slick wet clay... DAMHIK

[Shadowjack]

can let us know how many k's you get out of them cheers :apint:
Hi Shrek,
Fitted Anakee 3's to the DR650 15,000 kms ago, and the rear is now down to what I take are the wear indicators. That's mostly commuting to town and back - not a lot of corners. They have performed surprisingly well on gravel. Obviously, the DR has not got the physical, er, presence of the GS, but comment added for what it's worth.

[MarkH]

I'm also trying to decide what the bike should be using for all the normal riding where it is mainly seal along with some gravel. I liked the Shinko E700 tyres when I got them but half worn they don't really feel that great on gravel, still perfectly fine on sealed roads though.
My front E07 that came on the bike is still lasting well and I'm tempted to keep using that one and buy a new E07 for the rear, I suspect that they will work out cheaper than the Shinko tyres due to how long they tend to last.

https://oztoice.wordpress.com/about/the-gear/sponsors/mitas-e07-5050-dual-sport-tyres-my-new-staple/
A pretty thorough review of the E-07 tyres.

My front is now down to 2mm so I'm thinking of buying a new front and an 18" rear E-07.
I'm thinking that they might be the best choice in several ways for 50/50 tyres.

[NordieBoy]

I'd go along with most of what he's saying, but I'd put an MT21 on the front and as I don't go fast, run 20f/18r pressures when off the seal.

But you'd have to try getting the Shinko 705's off my bike first...

[RMOTO]

A solid review on the Pirelli MT21 by warewolf. Pirelli MT21 Review (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/pirelli-mt21-rear/) Interesting to hear of the damage caused by the rocky terrain.

That's two great reviews on this tyre by warewolf and Te Hopo. Feel free to upload yours :niceone:

http://www.remotemoto.com/uploads/tyres/47/tyreReviewPhoto-90258.jpg

[_Shrek_]

Hi Shrek,
Fitted Anakee 3's to the DR650 15,000 kms ago, and the rear is now down to what I take are the wear indicators. That's mostly commuting to town and back - not a lot of corners. They have performed surprisingly well on gravel. Obviously, the DR has not got the physical, er, presence of the GS, but comment added for what it's worth.

just brought a set today but wont be able to fit then until we get back from Nelson via the West Coast, we're doing the WRR & bailing at Wanaka, so the TKC80's will be knackered

[NordieBoy]

Just got a rear for a WoF. Decided to try something different this time...

[Night Falcon]

Just got a rear for a WoF. Decided to try something different this time...

Trail wing?

[_Shrek_]

Trail wing?

death wings more like unless they've changed ;)

[NordieBoy]

Trail wing?
Shinko 705.

But in 130 width instead of my normal 120!

[Tazz]

death wings more like unless they've changed ;)

Could get a good lean boot scrape going with the death wings the DR came with. Weren't confidence inspiring offroad but not all that bad either.

[Night Falcon]

Shinko 705.

But in 130 width instead of my normal 120!

yeah, didn't really think you'd stray too far from home. 130 wide is a tractor tire size, think how much easier its gonna be to collect a gorse puncture out in the boonies with a shoe that big :nono:

[pomgolian]

yeah, didn't really think you'd stray too far from home. 130 wide is a tractor tire size, think how much easier its gonna be to collect a gorse puncture out in the boonies with a shoe that big :nono:

35k on 130 T63s (not the same tyre) not had any punctures but then again looking ahead helps :cool:

[RMOTO]

Latest review on the MotoZ Tractionator Desert H/T (rear) (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/motoz-tractionator-desert-ht-rear/)

http://www.remotemoto.com/uploads/tyres/12/tyreReviewPhoto-97273.jpg

[TangoCharlie]

It's time to replace my rear tyre again. I use the DR about 50% on seal, 40% shingle and 10 % off road.

I have tried a Kenda 760, Dunlop 606, and have a Mitas E09 on now which is ok, but has lasted less than 2000km.

Was thinking about a Shinko 244 or 700?

[Rhys]

I'm liking the Shinko 805's only done 3000 km mainly on road 2 up with luggage. They are good on road, very good on gravel and dirt. i've not tried them in mud yet

[RGVforme]

I'm liking the Shinko 805's only done 3000 km mainly on road 2 up with luggage. They are good on road, very good on gravel and dirt. i've not tried them in mud yet

Good news this.Should suit my riding style perfect then.I got a set of 804/805s waiting to go on my DR.Bang for buck reviews off the net forums on these were looking good under research.:2thumbsup.

The stock trailwings rear only lasted me 4500km before balding out in the middle.:buggerd:

[pete-blen]

It's time to replace my rear tyre again. I use the DR about 50% on seal, 40% shingle and 10 % off road.

I have tried a Kenda 760, Dunlop 606, and have a Mitas E09 on now which is ok, but has lasted less than 2000km.

Was thinking about a Shinko 244 or 700?

The 700 ... not a better 50/50 tyre with out spending silly money.... I get about 3500km from a rear

[RGVforme]

Could get a good lean boot scrape going with the death wings the DR came with. Weren't confidence inspiring offroad but not all that bad either.

:gob:....Your taking the piss right?.Lowered pegs?...Size 20 boots?.Flat feet toes down rider?.

Or are you just trying to draw a mental picture of an extra long ruler and your willie for everyone lol :nya:

Any others on here boot scrape their DR???.Or have I got something to look forward to that I thought was not possible.
:drool:

[Tazz]

:gob:....Your taking the piss right?.Lowered pegs?...Size 20 boots?.Flat feet toes down rider?.

Or are you just trying to draw a mental picture of an extra long ruler and your willie for everyone lol :nya:

Any others on here boot scrape their DR???.Or have I got something to look forward to that I thought was not possible.
:drool:

DR350, and you could at least buy me a beer before you ask for pictures of my dick :laugh:

Not even close to it on the Kendas I run now. I can't even get to the edge of the MT21 on the front with those tbh, but then that's not what they're for so I can live with it :)

[RGVforme]

DR350, and you could at least buy me a beer before you ask for pictures of my dick :laugh:

Not even close to it on the Kendas I run now. I can't even get to the edge of the MT21 on the front with those tbh, but then that's not what they're for so I can live with it :)

I see thank you.Im glad I asked before I lowsided myself trying that on the shinkos and a full 20lt acerbis lol.

Only one beer?.Thats a bit cheap isn't it.Takes me at least 3 before I grace anyone with my superior presence like they had a choice in the matter lol.:drinkup:

[Tazz]

I see thank you.Im glad I asked before I lowsided myself trying that on the shinkos and a full 20lt acerbis lol.

Only one beer?.Thats a bit cheap isn't it.Takes me at least 3 before I grace anyone with my superior presence like they had a choice in the matter lol.:drinkup:

Aww go on, I'll hold your beer!

I'm a cheap date and like a bit of wind on the ole whistle so any excuse :laugh:

Happy New Year man!

[RGVforme]

Aww go on, I'll hold your beer!

I'm a cheap date and like a bit of wind on the ole whistle so any excuse :laugh:

Happy New Year man!

You too Tazz mate....:drinknsin

[RMOTO]

Many interesting photos come through with the RemoteMoto tyre reviews but this review photo from NickW on the Heidenau K60 Scout is a classic!! Great review and great photo NickW :)

Review link: Heidenau K60 Scout (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/heidenau-k60-scout-140130-rear/)

http://www.remotemoto.com/uploads/tyres/29/tyreReviewPhoto-100634.jpg

[Oscar]

Interesting, but there is an inherent problem with tyre reviews like these (and it is no reflection on the great website) - it depends on what the writers definition of expressions like "off road" are, and also the bike it's being used on.

[RGVforme]

Interesting, but there is an inherent problem with tyre reviews like these (and it is no reflection on the great website) - it depends on what the writers definition of expressions like "off road" are, and also the bike it's being used on.

And the type of rider they are and the exp they have had ect.

Perhaps if they untied that cat they might find the tyre a bit more quiet on the road lol.:crazy:

[RMOTO]

Interesting, but there is an inherent problem with tyre reviews like these (and it is no reflection on the great website) - it depends on what the writers definition of expressions like "off road" are, and also the bike it's being used on.

Hi Oscar, you have isolated two key variables that presented a significant challenge when developing the RemoteMoto tyre reviewer.

Tyres will most certainly differ in performance/longevity based on both bike and rider. Developing code to counteract this is feasible however it would result in an overcomplicated system that would be unpleasant to use.

Huge amounts of time and development went into this tyre reviewer (even though it may seem very simple on the surface) to provide a system that is easy for a rider to review a tyre, and equally as easy for a rider to read these reviews.

The reviews intentionally display the rider and the rider’s bike for two reasons:

Firstly, you can see what type of bike they are using and if this is a similar machine to what you ride (noting riders can place multiple reviews if they own various sizes/types of bikes). This way you get more of an accurate picture of how the tyre will perform on your bike.

Secondly, you can see who the rider is so if you know their riding style is similar to yours, then this is a good indication that it will likely perform/last similarly.

The main drive behind building the RemoteMoto tyre reviewer was that I looooove trying out new tyres but wading through hundreds of pages on forums proved a cumbersome way for me to find out how a tyre performs and if it is worth trying. No one wants to shell out for a tyre that is no good for their riding style/bike or worse yet, part with hard eared money for a lemon. Although forums are a great medium to extract information from other riders, it is very time sensitive regarding who is online and available to post in that small window while the post is “fresh”.

After spending over 15 years as a programmer I can confidently say there is no perfect solution to a tyre reviewer to correctly address all bike types and all rider styles however the RemoteMoto tyre reviewer is as close as it gets while still remaining simple and easy to use.

What will help increase the accuracy of the RemoteMoto tyre reviewer is if everyone joined in and reviewed their tyres. This will help build a large knowledge base to draw from.

So here is an open invitation for everyone to share with me and the 800 RemoteMoto members/riders your reviews on the tyres you ride with.

Reviewing a tyre is dead easy plus you get RemoteMoto points that you can use to unlock routes. I really enjoy reading other riders' reviews, if you’re interested click here to review a tyre (http://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/)

[pete-blen]

Michelin new version of the big block knobbly....

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-products/michelin-anakee-wild-dual-sport-tires/

[vegeman]

Michelin new version of the big block knobbly....

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-products/michelin-anakee-wild-dual-sport-tires/

Rider, bike power, bike weight and terrain all are factors for sure, and I think we know that. I rode a Karoo 3 in aussie on GS1200 and it went through mud, sand, hard pack rock etc and I was impressed, so when back in NZ...I put one on my 690 as a tyre generally for slabbing it and gravel stuff. The tyre is fine on the road and great in the corners, but off road and especially gravel...I hate it with a passion. Under acceleration it struggles to hook up, and under fast breaking into corners it's even worse as it slides out far more than I expected...I think this is where the chevron-esk pattern isn't working as you are effectiveyl expecting to work in the opposite direction.

I'm currently thrashing the shit out of it, so I can bin it, and about to go back to my MT21 as well as the Mitas E09....BUT now seeing this wild, I might check it. One thing for sure, 690 needs knobs...well for the way I like to ride

[Woodman]

Rider, bike power, bike weight and terrain all are factors for sure, and I think we know that. I rode a Karoo 3 in aussie on GS1200 and it went through mud, sand, hard pack rock etc and I was impressed, so when back in NZ...I put one on my 690 as a tyre generally for slabbing it and gravel stuff. The tyre is fine on the road and great in the corners, but off road and especially gravel...I hate it with a passion. Under acceleration it struggles to hook up, and under fast breaking into corners it's even worse as it slides out far more than I expected...I think this is where the chevron-esk pattern isn't working as you are effectiveyl expecting to work in the opposite direction.

I'm currently thrashing the shit out of it, so I can bin it, and about to go back to my MT21 as well as the Mitas E09....BUT now seeing this wild, I might check it. One thing for sure, 690 needs knobs...well for the way I like to ride

Never tried a karoo3 rear, but I really really rate the front. Ran it at 15psi for the dustybutt last weekend and it was even better, even on the road.

[cold comfort]

Happy with the MotoZ Tractionator's on my 690 so far. Haven't tried them in the wet though.

[Tazz]

Cycletreads seem to be getting out of the Kendas :cry:

For that matter their whole range of road legal knobblies seems to be a bit lacking at the minute.

[Saarg]

Has anyone had the hidenau k60 scouts sand/mud? I've got 3000k on mine so far and there are great, factory claims 13000k rear 15000k front, wet or dry, mud & sandhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/8c77b241d49ef3825044c8603d8e51d8.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/d78f793759840267df6c579dae91be63.jpg


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[Woodman]

Has anyone had the hidenau k60 scouts sand/mud? I've got 3000k on mine so far and there are great, factory claims 13000k rear 15000k front, wet or dry, mud & sandhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/8c77b241d49ef3825044c8603d8e51d8.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/d78f793759840267df6c579dae91be63.jpg


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On my second k60 scout rear. First one would have got to 6000kms just. Happy with that. Now my rear of choice.

[Saarg]

On my second k60 scout rear. First one would have got to 6000kms just. Happy with that. Now my rear of choice.

NICE, how much off Tarmac? I've done about 800k so far


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[Woodman]

NICE, how much off Tarmac? I've done about 800k so far


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Probly 60/40 Tarmac. My new one was put on just prior to the dustybutt and has now done exactly 3000kms and isn't quite half worn so should be the same by the looks of it. Was running a lot lower pressures this time though.

[Saarg]

Probly 60/40 Tarmac. My new one was put on just prior to the dustybutt and has now done exactly 3000kms and isn't quite half worn so should be the same by the looks of it. Was running a lot lower pressures this time though.

Well worth the penny spent I think
I'm running 38psi rear & 32 front. Enough twitch on metal roads for the way I ride, any higher and it feels like I'm on ice



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[RGVforme]

Well worth the penny spent I think
I'm running 38psi rear & 32 front. Enough twitch on metal roads for the way I ride, any higher and it feels like I'm on ice



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These pressures seem a bit high.....My MAX pressure to pop the bead is 41psi rear cold on the shinkos.

90/90 21 front and 150/70/17 rear

Manual rec running psi are 22 front and 25 rear cold.....Ive tried running more but found too much and tyre life ride stability in wet and traction in gravel all affected.

By the looks of your photos you may not be seeing the 13 to 15k claimed by the makers if your only 3k in at the moment.

Personal choice but wow psi rear when the rear tyre is hot must be 40psi plus.:crazy:

[Saarg]

These pressures seem a bit high.....My MAX pressure to pop the bead is 41psi rear cold on the shinkos.

90/90 21 front and 150/70/17 rear

Manual rec running psi are 22 front and 25 rear cold.....Ive tried running more but found too much and tyre life ride stability in wet and traction in gravel all affected.

By the looks of your photos you may not be seeing the 13 to 15k claimed by the makers if your only 3k in at the moment.

Personal choice but wow psi rear when the rear tyre is hot must be 40psi plus.:crazy:

Thanks, that would explain why I'm seeing micro cracks, pressure is shooting up on hot road with hot rubber
Will have a play around with the pressures


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[RGVforme]

Thanks, that would explain why I'm seeing micro cracks, pressure is shooting up on hot road with hot rubber
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Tis welcome and all learning stew......Just so dam much for bike rubber compared to cars and me being a tight OCD laced c**t I have obsessed over the tyre thing far too much.:weird:

Shinko 804/805s here just scrubbed in road manners are great and off is even better so far.See how we go on kms.
Good kms reviews on the net but then anything was better than the stock trailwings.....4k and done wtf...:thud:

$230 a set....trademe.trader...Thomasbt.....aka Kiwi motorcycle rentals Amberley...:drinknsin

[Saarg]

Tis welcome and all learning stew......Just so dam much for bike rubber compared to cars and me being a tight OCD laced c**t I have obsessed over the tyre thing far too much.:weird:

Shinko 804/805s here just scrubbed in road manners are great and off is even better so far.See how we go on kms.
Good kms reviews on the net but then anything was better than the stock trailwings.....4k and done wtf...:thud:

$230 a set....trademe.trader...Thomasbt.....aka Kiwi motorcycle rentals Amberley...:drinknsin


Totally,
Couldn't agree more, Mine had trail wings on from the dealer, but there on the shelf at the moment and they probably have another 2-3000k left in them, but the hidenau had high reviews, this set works really good so far. On and off Road, wet and dry.
I looked at a better tyre after a post on thumper talk I read claimed that the trailwing, had been started to be called the 'deathwing' Due to there lack of feel in the corners at speed, and no traction in snow, heavy wet conditions I found them ok, as Long as it was dry, and not too rocky off road and was able to lean them right down to the tyre edge on road at 100kph and higher.


Will definitely be looking at those pressures though, cheers


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[Scubbo]

if you're doing lots of offroading, those MotOZ S/T? tires are great and CHEAP being from aussie but premium quality, muricans pay 2x what we pay! ---- the front has done 2500 mostly on pavement/hardpack :facepalm: and still looks good with sharp enough corners -- hooks up SWEEEEET though I suspect better on smaller/lighter bikes (great on the DRZ anyway)

[Black Knight]

I am running K60's on my CL400-prolly 80% tarseal-22F-25R which might be a tad low for road-14F-17R for offroad.-I really like them,came with good rep,and hard to find a tyre in my rim size.They did seem to wear quite fast initially,but this settled down after 1000K.A warning-don't try and fit the fronts at home unless you have a proper set up,pay to have them fitted.

[Saarg]

I am running K60's on my CL400-prolly 80% tarseal-22F-25R which might be a tad low for road-14F-17R for offroad.-I really like them,came with good rep,and hard to find a tyre in my rim size.They did seem to wear quite fast initially,but this settled down after 1000K.A warning-don't try and fit the fronts at home unless you have a proper set up,pay to have them fitted.

Yeah, the tyre guy had a hard time getting mine on too, something about there supposed to be put on warm?!?


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[Black Knight]

Warm is right-I had the Mrs hair drier poked up inside the side walls and on full for half hour and still struggled-I think the side wall construction is super tough hence the reason.

[Saarg]

Warm is right-I had the Mrs hair drier poked up inside the side walls and on full for half hour and still struggled-I think the side wall construction is super tough hence the reason.

One time I thought my pressure gauge had broken, after a full day in the dirt and sand stopped at the petrol station to put road pressure back in the tyres and found zero psi in the front tyre.
I think I was lucky that were that hard.


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[MarkH]

I just removed the Kenda 770 knobbly from the rear so I could put on a new Mitas E07, fuck me that tyre was hard to get off.
I wont be doing that again, next time I'll take it to a bike shop to have them take the tyre off for me.
I remember the tyre to be a bitch to put on, but it was about 5 times as hard to remove!

What I really need is a 2nd DR350 18" cush drive wheel, then I can mount a tyre on each one (or pay someone to mount the tyres for me) and leave the fuckers on 'til they wear out.
I'd also love a 2nd DR650 21" front wheel for the same reason.
I'll have to keep my eyes out for 2nd hand wheels!
I'd add the Tubliss system to each wheel as well, it wouldn't be expensive enough otherwise!

I am thinking that after I wear out the E07 tyres I'll consider the Shinko E-805/E-804 tyres as a possible 'do it all' option for less tyre swapping.
I've been reading good things about performance on and off road along with decent tyre life and at a good price.

[MarkH]

I must say, after removing the Kenda the Mitas was downright easy to put on. I'd happily mount my own Mitas tyres but a local bike shop can handle any Kenda tyres from now on.

[MarkH]

Does anyone know anything about the IRC GP-21F & GP-22R tyres?
I have a new one of each in the garage because the local bike shop had some to shift and sold me both tyres for $100 total.
I have near new E07 tyres on the bike and didn't need more tyres right now, but at $100 for both . . . yeah, couldn't pass that up.

[Hads]

What would you put on a KDX 200? I plan to ride to and from Akaroa on friday's to avoid being stuck behind campervans, but then thrash it round the waimak in silt mud and dirt? I was considering the AC10's but should I look at the shinko's?

[Stu999c]

I just fitted 705s to my Klx
Bloody good on The road and gravel
Not expecting too much on dirt tho.
The 805s might suit you??


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[Rhys]

805's are had to beat for the $ and they last well on road, good in gravel and not bad in grass/mud

[SVboy]

What would you put on a KDX 200? I plan to ride to and from Akaroa on friday's to avoid being stuck behind campervans, but then thrash it round the waimak in silt mud and dirt? I was considering the AC10's but should I look at the shinko's?

Pirelli mt21s for smaller bikes.

[pete-blen]

Go to the Michlin web site and read what they say about the AC10...
DOT rated but only for short sealed road trips to get from one riding
area to the next...

If you have yer heart set on AC10s I;m going to be takeing the front
one off my bike this week end.... prob only has 2 or 3 mm of ware
only used on the dirt.....




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[puddytat]

I found the AC10 rear good, the front pretty shit.....

[pete-blen]

I found the AC10 rear good, the front pretty shit.....


Thats why I'm replaceing a all but new tyre...... don't like it...




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[WristTwister]

For adventure riding with 50/50 split of on and off road - the Heidenau K60's.:niceone:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XCveG-CjI

[Black Knight]

For adventure riding with 50/50 split of on and off road - the Heidenau K60's.:niceone:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3XCveG-CjI

I have these on my CL400 which is used more like 80% tarmac 20% gravel-Great tire,just don't try and fit the front one yourself,take it to a tire shop for fitting.

[Hads]

How do the k60's compare to the likes of the dunlop 605's? I had problems with the 605's in the mud, absolutely no grip on the front.

[george formby]

Probably the same. Instant slick. Difficult to clear unlike a full knobbie.

One thing I noticed looking at the K60's is their flat profile, similar to the old Pirelli MT90 A/T's. I had an MT90 front on my TDM for awhile and it had no chicken strips. A bit disconcerting. Probably better on smaller bikes.

[Gremlin]

For adventure riding with 50/50 split of on and off road - the Heidenau K60's.:niceone:
For big bikes especially, I'd recommend the Mitas E07 over the K60. The K60 has a hard carcass, so takes airing down quite well, the E07 is softer, so don't air down as much.

The K60 or E07 will struggle in mud etc due to the centre strip, which helps get more mileage. However, the K60 comes in about 4 different patterns based on size and not all have centre strips. Personally, I found the K60 horrible in the wet on sealed roads, the E07 performing much better.

[R650R]

Lot of aussie guys are raving about these, pricey though... like the endure ones.. http://www.motoz.co.nz/tyre-range.html

Tyre time for the dR on rear again, trusty Shinko E700 are good value and performance... http://www.moto1.nz/parts/tyres-558/dual-purpose-600/dual-sport-tyres-shinko-e700-460x17-rear-dual-sport-t-t-17x460r700?sort=p.price&order=DESC

click on pic lower left to see correct tread pattern.

Tempted to match the awesome Pireelli on front seeing as summer coming... http://www.moto1.nz/parts/tyres-558/dual-purpose-600/pirelli-120-90-17-mt90-at-64stt-tyre-tyd1712090mt90at?sort=p.price&order=DESC

[Saarg]

For big bikes especially, I'd recommend the Mitas E07 over the K60. The K60 has a hard carcass, so takes airing down quite well, the E07 is softer, so don't air down as much.

The K60 or E07 will struggle in mud etc due to the centre strip, which helps get more mileage. However, the K60 comes in about 4 different patterns based on size and not all have centre strips. Personally, I found the K60 horrible in the wet on sealed roads, the E07 performing much better.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161010/8dc5f4243d8e8d970e27ee472af46c1f.jpg

There is a k60 scout with out the highway rubber strip, that I think out perform the e07, I've got 11,000ks on mine so far over 13 months of 50/50 riding.



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[MarkH]

The K60 or E07 will struggle in mud etc due to the centre strip, which helps get more mileage. However, the K60 comes in about 4 different patterns based on size and not all have centre strips. Personally, I found the K60 horrible in the wet on sealed roads, the E07 performing much better.

Not all E07 have the centre strip either, the one on the rear of my bike doesn't.

[Saarg]

Not all E07 have the centre strip either, the one on the rear of my bike doesn't.

How many k's do you get on the e07?


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[Shadowjack]

How many k's do you get on the e07?
On my DR650, about 16,000 (mainly commuting) kilometres (front and rear).
Others (on the same type of running):
Anakee 3: 16,000 rear; 25,000 front
Dunlop Trailmax: 4,000 rear (pretty much watched it melt away in front of my eyes)
Shinko E705: 9,000 rear.

[Saarg]

On my DR650, about 16,000 (mainly commuting) kilometres (front and rear).
Others (on the same type of running):
Anakee 3: 16,000 rear; 25,000 front
Dunlop Trailmax: 4,000 rear (pretty much watched it melt away in front of my eyes)
Shinko E705: 9,000 rear.

That's pretty decent,
The anakees Are pretty much a road Tyer though, Imagine they don't like mud, sand or wet grass. Where as the anakee wild looks more like a decent comparison, to the hiedu, about the same $ as well with a 10,000 km life (per factory)
the online reviews are decent.
The e705 are up there but they look more like an aggressive anakee 3
Along with the rear tkc80 there all much the same.
My hiedu have about the same $ cost to purchase but the nobs are all about gone there's still the same ride feel on and off highway, where as my tkc80's felt spongy as they got thinner, not a good feeling when laying into a sharp corner.
They did make me ride a lot slower though, spouse that's a bit safer.



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[puddytat]

Lot of aussie guys are raving about these, pricey though... like the endure ones.. http://www.motoz.co.nz/tyre-range.html

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I have the Hybrid on the rear & the Tractionator I/T on the front of my 400. The rear is quite a large tyre, its profile lends itself to a really nice transition from upright to cranked over. Good in rocky conditions, excellent on clay,, good in deep gravel but gravel on hardpack 'tis a tad loose but controllable. With low pressure (8psi) it'll climb every thing. Not if its deep mud though!
Supposedly has good durability, but Ive only done 1000ks on it.
The tractionator I/T is way betterer than the ac10, & its stiffer carcase is much better on your rims & doesn t deflect as much when pounding across rocky terrain. Seems fine on the slippery stuff & wet rocks. I'd be a bit wary on shiny wet tar though .
Both tyres seem to have got better after a few rides....whether its me imagining it or getting used to them , well.......

[R650R]

Pirelli to go on soon for summer and Shinko in rserve for winter :)

side by side pic https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0NXe246IFdvNjZ4ZTloSG5ERUU/view?usp=sharing

[NordieBoy]

I'd say use Shinko 705's, but that's just because they're cool :Punk:

[nzspokes]

Ok, what tyres do I want on my X Challenge?

Im a bit lost on this. Will be roads to the gravel, dirt/sand. Ive got a D606 which for some reason feels bad on gravel or Im just shit at gravel. T63 on the back which is getting down.

Dont care about road performance but dont want something that will kill me at road legal speeds. I will take traction over lifespan.

What say you all?

[flashg]

I ran D606 on my tenere and loved them, they suited that bike. Pirelli MT21 gets great reviews, I've used them and really liked them, but they didn't last on the bigger heavy bike.
Check out Remote moto website for lotsa reviews.
There is also a thread on adventure tyres, could be worth reading, but everyone has different opinions and it just gets confusing.

[pete-blen]

Shinko 700s is always my choice for the XT...
gone though 2 fronts & 4 rears... won't be the last..
got me though 2 DB1k and everywhere ealse I have pointed it....





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[Hads]

Anyone tried the Shinko 244's? Look similar to my father's tyres from the 70's and seemed to perform well in the mud for a universal.

[Hads]

Ok, what tyres do I want on my X Challenge?

Im a bit lost on this. Will be roads to the gravel, dirt/sand. Ive got a D606 which for some reason feels bad on gravel or Im just shit at gravel. T63 on the back which is getting down.

Dont care about road performance but dont want something that will kill me at road legal speeds. I will take traction over lifespan.

What say you all?

The Shinko 804's look quite interesting, could be good in sand with the paddle like tread?

[george formby]

The Shinko 804's look quite interesting, could be good in sand with the paddle like tread?

They have a similar tread pattern and depth to TKC 80's looking at the pics. I wouldn't bet on it.

I'm coming to the conclusion that a spare set of wheels solves a lot of problems...

[nzspokes]

I ran D606 on my tenere and loved them, they suited that bike. Pirelli MT21 gets great reviews, I've used them and really liked them, but they didn't last on the bigger heavy bike.
Check out Remote moto website for lotsa reviews.
There is also a thread on adventure tyres, could be worth reading, but everyone has different opinions and it just gets confusing.

Looks like I may have had the 606 too hard. Was at 25 and I received advice to try 16 to 18.

[flashg]

Looks like I may have had the 606 too hard. Was at 25 and I received advice to try 16 to 18.The D606 do last well and I like the smaller blocks. also that back tyre gives great traction.
I don't like the big block tyres, I have ridden with guys using them (different brands) and was unimpressed once we got off the beaten track, the worn out D606 out performed them for traction in muddy conditions.

[george formby]

The D606 do last well and I like the smaller blocks. also that back tyre gives great traction.
I don't like the big block tyres, I have ridden with guys using them (different brands) and was unimpressed once we got off the beaten track, the worn out D606 out performed them for traction in muddy conditions.

That's very interesting. The grip my wee trials bike manages to find with clay slick, road legal, trials tires is astonishing. Ok, a lot of other reasons, too.

I like small, close, flexible tread blocks and low pressures.:2thumbsup Side grip and a wide, malleable footprint are the dogs danglies at lower speeds off road. The tread blocks spread out when compressed and scramble for grip.

That's food for thought. Cheers flashg

[flashg]

That's very interesting. The grip my wee trials bike manages to find with clay slick, road legal, trials tires is astonishing. Ok, a lot of other reasons, too.

I like small, close, flexible tread blocks and low pressures.:2thumbsup Side grip and a wide, malleable footprint are the dogs danglies at lower speeds off road. The tread blocks spread out when compressed and scramble for grip.

That's food for thought. Cheers flashgMy enduro bikes get very different tyres.I run competition Enduro tyres (road legal) with a "tubliss" system, running about 8psi front, 4psi rear, the rear tyre just flattens out under load. With a very spaced out pattern and rather small blocks = exceptionally good traction everywhere.
PS they wouldn't last on the road, they'd be slicks real quick.

[BMWGSER]

Ok, what tyres do I want on my X Challenge?

Im a bit lost on this. Will be roads to the gravel, dirt/sand. Ive got a D606 which for some reason feels bad on gravel or Im just shit at gravel. T63 on the back which is getting down.

Dont care about road performance but dont want something that will kill me at road legal speeds. I will take traction over lifespan.

What say you all?

I run Pirelli MT 21 for gravel / off road and Pirelli Scorpion A/T for street / light gravel on My X-challenge , cheap for good tires.

[nzspokes]

I run Pirelli MT 21 for gravel / off road and Pirelli Scorpion A/T for street / light gravel on My X-challenge , cheap for good tires.

What ks are you getting out of the MT21s? They ok in sand and mud? I'm looking at doing some trail rides.

I was thinking of the MT21s or a Motoz Adventure for the back and a MT21 front.

[NordieBoy]

Shinko 244's go well, better on lighter bikes. Really like the compound, very E07'ish in the way they grip at lower pressures.
MT21's are great on the front and crap on the rear once they lose their edges, unless you like steering with the throttle.
An MT21 with the 244 compound would be great.

244's are bloody good value for money.
I'll still rate the 705's though :)

[clint640]

What ks are you getting out of the MT21s? They ok in sand and mud? I'm looking at doing some trail rides.

I was thinking of the MT21s or a Motoz Adventure for the back and a MT21 front.

I've run a few front MT21's & they're good for 7K km probably, but they're only about $100 so if you're doing some gnarlyer rides you'd chuck on a fresh sharp one more often than that. They are a good compromise for sand/mud while still being OK on the road. That said I've got a set of Motoz Desert HT on at the mo, first front I've run of those & I think I like it more than the MT21, grips real nice offroad & seems ok on tarmac. Bit early to tell on the wear but it's not disappearing too fast. Plus they're like 90 bucks.

I've burned up a few of the matching Motoz Desert HT rears now & they're great - grip like an MT21 offroad but last much longer. As good or better than a D606 for much less $$. The hard compound means you need to take care on wet tarmac though.

Something more durable on the rear like that Motoz Adv, Shinko 244 or a Mitas EO-7 is always a good plan if you are racking up the kms commuting or something. I swap between something knobby front & back the the Motoz deserts, or my higher mileage set is an EO-7 rear & a Dunlop D605 front. Good to keep in practice changing tyres :cool:

Cheers
Clint

[Bass]

. The hard compound means you need to take care on wet tarmac though.


Clint

Isn't that always the compromise with adventure tyres though - off-road performance vs on-road performance in the wet

[10bikekid]

Shinko 244's go well, better on lighter bikes. Really like the compound, very E07'ish in the way they grip at lower pressures.
MT21's are great on the front and crap on the rear once they lose their edges, unless you like steering with the throttle.
An MT21 with the 244 compound would be great.

244's are bloody good value for money.
I'll still rate the 705's though :)

Some are saying the 705 are rubbish but I have not found that, sure wet grip is not superb but you can crank the GSA up pretty good on a dry road with them.
Talk of 804/805 being better on the road but I expect the would move around more (even if the grip well) loosing some steering feel. (thats what the E10's were like)
plus be a lot noisier

[george formby]

Some are saying the 705 are rubbish but I have not found that, sure wet grip is not superb but you can crank the GSA up pretty good on a dry road with them.
Talk of 804/805 being better on the road but I expect the would move around more (even if the grip well) loosing some steering feel. (thats what the E10's were like)
plus be a lot noisier

I'm a fan of the 705's. Had a 705 rear on my TDM, the lead frame model, and it was tickety boo. Wet grip on over banding, white lines etc could be skittish but not to the point of scary. Dry grip was never an issue, lean and grin. Very controllable on gravel and excellent life span.

The 705's have had issues de-laminating on big bikes at high temperatures and high speeds. Two up on a fully loaded GS 12 tonne @ 100mph for a week....

The first 705 I used started to blister and tear at about 2000km, was replaced for free. Thanks shinko. The replacement was replaced when it fossilised before wearing away it's tread. They probably sell well in Scotland...

The 705's on my G/F's DT 230 should be in Te Papa but are still legal and grippy. They've been "blued" quite often and drifted really well over the Managamukas in the rain. The tighter my sphincter puckered, the faster Mrs Rossi went. Quote - "They were only little slides and it was fun.." The consequences could have been catastrophic, the love of my life firing off into the shrubbery and hurting the DT. Unforgivable.

Yeah, good tyres. If you do big miles, have some savvy and throttle control, they are excellent bang for the $$.

[10bikekid]

Hey George I've not been around these parts for a while, how you going ?

In regard to 705's agree they are fine My GSA can run with the sports bikes in the Dry, in the wet one does need to back it down but TC does help that.

I'm thinking they may have fixed the early delamination issues as have not heard of that in comments for years now

[NordieBoy]

Loved the 705's on my DR650 and TT350.
In a few months I'll find out how they go on the Transalp 700.

[george formby]

Hey George I've not been around these parts for a while, how you going ?

In regard to 705's agree they are fine My GSA can run with the sports bikes in the Dry, in the wet one does need to back it down but TC does help that.

I'm thinking they may have fixed the early delamination issues as have not heard of that in comments for years now

Kia ora. Not riding enough....

Do you still have the RMX? Classy bike...

I suspect some of the tyre issues reported were due to running the cross ply tyre on big bikes rather than the radial.

I'm keen to give these a go at some point for my mixed riding on the TDM. Avon Trailrider (https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/08/14/tire-review-avon-trailrider)

[nzspokes]

Shinko 244's go well, better on lighter bikes. Really like the compound, very E07'ish in the way they grip at lower pressures.
MT21's are great on the front and crap on the rear once they lose their edges, unless you like steering with the throttle.
An MT21 with the 244 compound would be great.

244's are bloody good value for money.
I'll still rate the 705's though :)

How do you reckon the 244s would go under a 650?

My MT21s are just about gone.

[Woodman]

How do you reckon the 244s would go under a 650?

My MT21s are just about gone.

I ran a few on the rear of my klr, really rated them.

[nzspokes]

I ran a few on the rear of my klr, really rated them.

No I mean a proper 650...... Bwhahahahahaha

[pete-blen]

I still like the Shinko 700 for ADV use..




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[MarkH]

After more than 3,000km on my current tyres I'm very happy - not much wear and they seem to perform very well on dry or wet roads whether sealed or gravel.
I'm using a Continental TKC-80 on the front and after 3,000km it still has plenty of tread left, nowhere near halfway worn.
On the rear I'm using an E07 which also has plenty of tread left and is also nowhere near halfway worn.

For "true" offroad use on single track with slippery mud - I wouldn't want to use anything less than 10/90 knobblies. But for normal adventure riding with a mix of sealed roads, gravel roads, some dirt and some grass - I'd be happy to replace my tyres with the same again. I do occasionally notice a little rumble at slow speeds, but it is minor and I never notice it as faster speeds. The original 90/10 tyres worked fine on dry sealed roads, but I ditched them after 1,100km because I just didn't want to ride on gravel with road tyres. The TKC-80 tyre on the front allows me to get decent braking on gravel when necessary, in fact I have to really try hard to get the ABS pulses coming through my brake lever.

When I had the DR650 I tried using an E07 on the front & rear. I liked the rear but wasn't 100% impressed with the front. I was always a little worried about the front 'washing out' on gravel or dirt, feeling like I really wanted a little more aggressive tread in front - maybe 40/60 instead of 50/50. The TKC-80 is a 40/60 and I do in fact very much prefer it to the E07.
For a good combination of performance and longevity - I thoroughly recommend the E07 rear/TKC-80 front mix.

I never did like the Shinko E700 tyres I tried with the DR650. They didn't last long enough, which made them more expensive per km than the E07. They performed very well on the seal but weren't great on gravel or dirt, especially as they wore down.

[NordieBoy]

How do you reckon the 244s would go under a 650?

My MT21s are just about gone.

The go well, but they wear quite quickly. A very good gravel tyre.

[NordieBoy]

No I mean a proper 650...... Bwhahahahahaha

That KLR was 680cc :devil2:

[NordieBoy]

When I had the DR650 I tried using an E07 on the front & rear. I liked the rear but wasn't 100% impressed with the front. I was always a little worried about the front 'washing out' on gravel or dirt, feeling like I really wanted a little more aggressive tread in front - maybe 40/60 instead of 50/50. The TKC-80 is a 40/60 and I do in fact very much prefer it to the E07.
For a good combination of performance and longevity - I thoroughly recommend the E07 rear/TKC-80 front mix.

I loved the E07 rear/MT21 front combo.

[Woodman]

That KLR was 680cc :devil2:

Ahem...685cc thankyou.

[neil.]

what sort of mileage do you guys expect from your tires.?

i had a TKC80 on the front, and a Metzeler enduro-3 on the rear, for a trip around the SI in Feb.

rear lasted about 6000km (plenty tread left, but tarmac cornering got real weird after it squared off)

front of course is still fine for ages yet.

on an XT660R

[NordieBoy]

what sort of mileage do you guys expect from your tires.?
20,000km from a front Shinko 705, 12,000km from a rear...
2,500km from a rear Shinko 255.
15,000km from a rear Mitas E07.
DR650.

2,500km from a rear 150x17 TKC80 on the Nordwest.

[neil.]

that's pretty good mileage from the shinko's. I'm putting some of my rear mileage down to the chip seal they use on the west-coast, you can practically watch tires melting away, depending on enthusiasm.

[MarkH]

20,000km from a front Shinko 705, 12,000km from a rear...
2,500km from a rear Shinko 255.
15,000km from a rear Mitas E07.
DR650.

2,500km from a rear 150x17 TKC80 on the Nordwest.

I wonder if anyone can guess why I am using a Mitas E07 on the rear instead of a TKC80 (like fitted to the front)?

At least the Shinko 255 isn't as dear as a TKC80, but even so . . .

For more road oriented riding the 705 would be a good choice, similar $/km to the E07. But for a 50/50 tyre it is hard to beat the $/km you get from an E07 rear. For more aggressive off-roading where you want more off-road grip than a 50/50 would offer, I don't think you have any choice but to give up a heap of durability to get a more knobbly tyre.

[banditrider]

260kg S10

Standard E-07:
Front: 8,936 (probably had more left but you can work out what I did)
Rear: 8936

First rear E-07 Dakar: 10,659km
Front still going at over 16,800 and working well, easily get a warrant.

Loving the Dakars!

[RMOTO]

If you are looking for an off-road oriented tyre then the 216 is definitely worth a look. I've just put up a review here: GoldenTyre 216 Review (https://www.remotemoto.com/tyres/goldentyre-gt-216-front/)

https://www.remotemoto.com/uploads/tyres/84/tyreReviewPhoto-472614.jpg

[10bikekid]

Kia ora. Not riding enough....

Do you still have the RMX? Classy bike...

I suspect some of the tyre issues reported were due to running the cross ply tyre on big bikes rather than the radial.

I'm keen to give these a go at some point for my mixed riding on the TDM. Avon Trailrider (https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/08/14/tire-review-avon-trailrider)

Yer, I just mostly look at it now days, shock needs a rebuild which I plan to do asap.

I bought a WR450 to try but think the RMX is just as good in many ways and perhaps more fun so may sell WR and get back on the Yellow Terra.

BTW it runs Kenda Big block on the front and Dunlop 606 on the rear, love those Dunlop's for the lower mileage bikes.

[george formby]

Interestin vid.

Review of 80 /20 and 50/50 tyres.


https://youtu.be/gjtgLz1LjnE

[NordieBoy]

705's FTW :)

[george formby]

705's FTW :)

:laugh: Yup, still right up there!

[NordieBoy]

[emoji23] Yup, still right up there!They could have used last year's tyres too, plenty of tread left..

[Bonez]

Put a 705 130/100bias on the XF65o rear wheel. Faaar better than the Metz Tourance radial that was on it previously. When the Metz front doesn't pass a WOF I've got a 804 to go on the front. My brother Has 804s front and rear on his Kwaka 650 single and loves loves them.:banana:

They are real easy to put on using tyre levers as well.

[fridayflash]

im looking for a pair of adv tyres to try on Mt09 Tracer, doesnt have to be too aggressive, just something thatll cope with lower pressures on gravel than a full sports tyre.
tkc70 could be the go but if anybody is aware of others that come in a 17 inch front im keen for ideas

cheers

p.s gonna need to fab up a bash plate too...

[george formby]

Bash plate?

I can't tell from internet piccies, but does the 09 Tracer have a spin on oil filter poking out the front?

[Jeeper]

Bash plate?

I can't tell from internet piccies, but does the 09 Tracer have a spin on oil filter poking out the front?Yes, filter and drain both tucked just behind/under the exhaust headers - front facing.

[george formby]

Yes, filter and drain both tucked just behind/under the exhaust headers - front facing.

Cheers.

I hope that's what FF's bash plate is for rather than a log pivot. :eek5:

[fridayflash]

yep..theyre a bit prone under there which is why i need the bash plate.. its really only the occas bit of gravel but wouldnt wanna end up with a dry engine
due to a hole in the pan:wacko:

i have seen a bashplate on ebay that looks a bit 'uncomprehensive' but it may do for a starting point:scooter:

[george formby]

yep..theyre a bit prone under there which is why i need the bash plate.. its really only the occas bit of gravel but wouldnt wanna end up with a dry engine
due to a hole in the pan:wacko:

i have seen a bashplate on ebay that looks a bit 'uncomprehensive' but it may do for a starting point:scooter:

Fair call. When the 1200 Super Ten came out some journos managed to smash the oil filter off it. Trying to jump it IIRC.

You would be bloody unlucky to get a rock in there, though.

Tyres? I can't really comment on anything in the size's you want. Plenty of options and I don't think any of them are "bad".

I gave up on dual porpoise tyres for my TDM, I'm happy enough riding gravel on road tyres.

[Oscar]

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I gave up on dual porpoise tyres for my TDM, I'm happy enough riding gravel on road tyres.

I had a TDM850 and the tyre answer was run a rear Pirelli Scorpion backwards on the front.

[george formby]

I had a TDM850 and the tyre answer was run a rear Pirelli Scorpion backwards on the front.

I had dual porpoise Pirellis on it for awhile, can't remember the exact tyre, MT60 or some such.

Much impressed I was, unbelievable in the rain. For some reason it ran off the edge of the front tyre before the rear which was a bit disconcerting.:shifty:

[Oscar]

I had dual porpoise Pirellis on it for awhile, can't remember the exact tyre, MT60 or some such.

Much impressed I was, unbelievable in the rain. For some reason it ran off the edge of the front tyre before the rear which was a bit disconcerting.:shifty:

By coincidence today I am riding a 900 Tracer, which I would say is the successor to the TDM.
Great bike.

https://www.yamaha-motor.co.nz/-/media/products/motorcycle/road/sport-touring/2019/mt09trak/technical-specifications-panel/2019_mt-09tra_mdnm6_au_stu_001_800x600.ashx

[george formby]

By coincidence today I am riding a 900 Tracer, which I would say is the successor to the TDM.
Great bike.

I kinda think the 700 is more familial. The whole family of twins started off from half an FZR engine. Crikey, that's a long time ago.

Would love to have a shot on the triple, right up my street for a road bike.

Being a bit of a gravel lover, the T7 may well replace the TDM.

Post up your thoughts on the 900, most reviews seem to be interrupted by wheelies.

Cheers.

[Brainflex]

im looking for a pair of adv tyres to try on Mt09 Tracer, doesnt have to be too aggressive, just something thatll cope with lower pressures on gravel than a full sports tyre.
tkc70 could be the go but if anybody is aware of others that come in a 17 inch front im keen for ideas

cheers

p.s gonna need to fab up a bash plate too...

Check n see if Shinko 705s are available in your size. Awesome tyre for road, gravel n hard pack dirt.

[Jeff Sichoe]

MOTOZ RallZ rear on the big bike, TKC-80 front. Awesome combo.

[george formby]

MOTOZ RallZ rear on the big bike, TKC-80 front. Awesome combo.

The Motoz have popped up as a well liked fitment on T7"s.

[dangerous]

... well Im not about to read 3400+ posts... whats the verdict, what tyres came up trumps... Im running Anakies good on the road but skitery as in the gravel... thinking that the japs know best and I see they put on the Yamahas the rally STR so they must be a good all rounder???
PS im on a V85TT

[timg]

... well Im not about to read 3400+ posts... whats the verdict, what tyres came up trumps... Im running Anakies good on the road but skitery as in the gravel... thinking that the japs know best and I see they put on the Yamahas the rally STR so they must be a good all rounder???
PS im on a V85TT Depends on which Anakee's ya talking about. There's 4 or 5 different types. Anakee Wilds are supposed to be very good. Similar to the Continental TKC80's I've used and trusted for years. You've ridden with me so you know how well the TKC80's scoot along on the seal, and they are great on gravel. Cheers.

Getting a proper bike right help too. Italian tractors are over rated :laugh:

[dangerous]

Depends on which Anakee's ya talking about. There's 4 or 5 different types. Anakee Wilds are supposed to be very good. Similar to the Continental TKC80's I've used and trusted for years. You've ridden with me so you know how well the TKC80's scoot along on the seal, and they are great on gravel. Cheers.

Getting a proper bike right help too. Italian tractors are over rated :laugh:

you wana go pops...

anakee adventure is what I have... the wild looks... wild, your tck80 looks more like a dirt tyre... shite what did the honda come out with?

[Laava]

Continental TKC80's
Italian tractors are over rated :laugh:

Wash your mouth out!

[Gremlin]

anakee adventure is what I have... the wild looks... wild, your tck80 looks more like a dirt tyre... shite what did the honda come out with?
Don't mention any sizes will ya? Anakee Adventure is middle of the road, more road biased would be the Anakee 3, more dirt biased the Anakee Wild. Gravel is at the easy end as such, ie, some can be just like a tarmac road, but freshly graded probably nothing but knobblies would be comfortable on. Doing stuff like mud is all a lot harder.

Welcome to compromise. Whatever is great on road will be rubbish off road and vice versa. Pick what you need after an honest assessment of the sort of riding you're doing. Something like the TKC80, while well known, can be butter on bigger bikes, try <2500km while running my 1090R in :sweatdrop

TKC70 and 70 Rocks if you want Continental, Anakee Wild if you want Michelin, then you have whole ranges in Mitas E and Motoz Tractionator that the average road rider doesn't know about. Most tyres are either groove based (more suited to road) or block based (more gravel/adv based). I'm kinda trying to avoid using "offroad" as gravel and plenty else is still a "road"

[timg]

you wana go pops...

anakee adventure is what I have... the wild looks... wild, your tck80 looks more like a dirt tyre... shite what did the honda come out with? With adventure bikes its all about compromise. My Honda came with Dunlop TrailMax Mixtour which were ok on hard packed or well swept gravel roads but very vague on loose gravel - looks similar to your Anakee Adventure's. The Wilds and TKC80 are 50/50 on/off road where as the TrailMax Mixtour and Anakee Adventure are more like 80/20 tyres. If you want more control in gravel you need a more aggressive tyre but that's going to be a bit less grippy on seal. Mitas E07 are also a popular choice for mixed use. Pirelli MT60 are pretty good too but a very soft tyre and don't last long. Cheers.

[timg]

Wash your mouth out!
Had 'em on my Hyperstrada too :innocent:

[dangerous]

Continental TKC80's I've used and trusted for years:

looked em up, wow big step for me... what bout the tkc70 rocks? thoughts

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[timg]

looked em up, wow big step for me... what bout the tkc70 rocks? thoughts
I had the original tkc70’s on my first Hyperstrada. Wasn’t super impressed. Great on seal, squirrelly on loose gravel. The ‘Rocks’ version is a more aggressive rear. The front hasn’t changed. TKC 80 on the front and TKC70 Rocks on the rear? Tyres are relatively cheap. How much shingle and dirt roads do you intend to do? Try what you think might suit. If it doesn’t work out get something else and put the ones you didn’t like on trade me. Somebody else will like them. Cheers.