Tyre choice for adventure riding? (Mixing road and off-road) [Archive] - Page 7

Skinny_Birdman

3rd December 2010, 07:25

I'm handing in the E-07s I put on the Transalp when I bought it today. They have done 19,000km and I'm only swapping because we have to go up Carricktown in the DB1k next year and I might be a bit short on rear grip. What fab tyres. Needless to say I'm replacing them with another set.

Mountie

3rd December 2010, 08:45

Radial or bias?

Trai master raidial

cooneyr

3rd December 2010, 13:28

Transalper

3rd December 2010, 14:13

That's what I've done for Js DR, I like the look of it and want one for my own DR but got another freeby 3/4 warn one to use up first.

Skinny_Birdman

3rd December 2010, 18:21

Get the 140 wide if they will fit. Not silly rib down the middle.

Ar balls, the deed is done. Wish I had posted earlier. Linton didn't have many left tho....

10bikekid

3rd December 2010, 19:23

Ar balls, the deed is done. Wish I had posted earlier. Linton didn't have many left tho....

Hey your an X Tuono man, gone the Adventure way now aye, stil got mine but it doesnt get much use now Katies around

10bikekid

3rd December 2010, 19:27

Well, a thumper anyway.

Little cute thumps but they still count.

more like cute thump wheelie shift thump wheelie no gears left:facepalm: Its amazing what 40cc can do at 13,500rpm

Skinny_Birdman

4th December 2010, 08:09

Hey your an X Tuono man, gone the Adventure way now aye, stil got mine but it doesnt get much use now Katies around

Not so much that I have gone the adventure way, more that cost-benefit analysis suggested buying a more expensive adv bike and a cheaper road bike, given how much use they were getting relatively. Can I interest you in a CBR1000? :innocent: Then you'll be 11bikekid.

bart

4th December 2010, 21:49

I was looking at my worn Mitas E-09. It's been a good tyre. 4600km on a DR650, mostly commuting, but it's had a bit of shit chucked at it. Anyway, I'd look at it and think it's rooted, then the next time I'd look, I'd think it'd last another couple of months. :blink:

About to change it this arvo, and found massive variation in wear. First photo shows the most wear, second with wheel spun through 180º. No rim lock, and the photos are 90º from the valve and wheel weights.

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9310.jpg
http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9311.jpg

I've never noticed vibration or anything weird. Any ideas? :wacko:

Also, anyone tried a Bridgestone TW12?

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9312.jpg

_Shrek_

4th December 2010, 23:41

_Shrek_

5th December 2010, 00:05

heres the mitas Eo10 rear 150/70 x 17 Tubeless 214607just arrived at home Saturday, bit more off road orientated than i was expecting, I will wait till the front arrives before fitting them

these work well

I was looking at my worn Mitas E-09. It's been a good tyre. 4600km on a DR650, mostly commuting, but it's had a bit of shit chucked at it. Anyway, I'd look at it and think it's rooted, then the next time I'd look, I'd think it'd last another couple of months. :blink:

About to change it this arvo, and found massive variation in wear. First photo shows the most wear, second with wheel spun through 180º. No rim lock, and the photos are 90º from the valve and wheel weights.

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9310.jpg
http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9311.jpg

I've never noticed vibration or anything weird. Any ideas? :wacko:

Also, anyone tried a Bridgestone TW12?

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9312.jpg

my Eo9 had variation in the wear as I was running them at 24psi front & 28 rear on the seal, but have put it up on the 10's on seal & down for off road

bart

5th December 2010, 06:41

heaps of wear left there bart & if you are still mostly commuting I waited till it got down to where you are now then turnd them around got 9500 k out of the rear

The photo doesn't show the wear very well. You'll notice in the last photo, the carcass is starting to hit the road.

I've been running about 38 psi

thepom

5th December 2010, 07:12

That bridgestone looks good.....was looking at a heidenau on a 690 last week and the guy riding it said they were the best ......they did look knobby and have a stiff sidewall....

warewolf

5th December 2010, 09:28

found massive variation in wear.Happens to me all the time. Worst case was the Kenda K270 which had several mm variance, the tyre was very much egg-shaped with two high points and one very low.

I put it down to balance, or lack thereof; figuring the knobbies shed a lot a rubber rapidly and get unbalanced even if they were balanced when fitted. But that's just an unproven guess.

Eddieb

5th December 2010, 14:35

The photo doesn't show the wear very well. You'll notice in the last photo, the carcass is starting to hit the road.

I've been running about 38 psi

Too many big skids when that part of the tyre was in contact with the road ;)

_Shrek_

5th December 2010, 14:59

The photo doesn't show the wear very well. You'll notice in the last photo, the carcass is starting to hit the road.

I've been running about 38 psi

:laugh: thats coz it's brand new, if I can find the pics of Eo9 will post

NordieBoy

5th December 2010, 16:14

The photo doesn't show the wear very well. You'll notice in the last photo, the carcass is starting to hit the road.

I've been running about 38 psi

Hmmm...
38psi on a DR may be into the "no sidewall give" territory and may accentuate an out of round or balance wheel?

Like running knobblies at too high a pressure and only the knobs have any give and they snap off at the base.

JATZ

5th December 2010, 16:40

Like running knobblies at too high a pressure and only the knobs have any give and they snap off at the base.

HAH... who would be guilty of such a crime ? :shutup:

NordieBoy

5th December 2010, 16:51

HAH... who would be guilty of such a crime ? :shutup:

Shouldn't have to worry about tearing knobs off with the E08's :D

Also could have been the reason for this...

<img src=http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20101203%20Hori%20Bay/slides/20101203-184134-0005.jpg>

I had no problems with the E07...

Padmei

5th December 2010, 17:00

You've got a whole bloody treasure trove of pics to pull out at any given time haven't you Nordie

TangoCharlie

5th December 2010, 18:27

I have a set of these on my Dr650, great off road but wear out very quickly on the road at 100km/h plus. At least they are cheap...

NordieBoy

5th December 2010, 18:31

I have a set of these on my Dr650, great off road but wear out very quickly on the road at 100km/h plus. At least they are cheap...

I've got a 760 rear and MT21 front on my "extreme" wheels for emergency situations.

NordieBoy

5th December 2010, 18:33

You've got a whole bloody treasure trove of pics to pull out at any given time haven't you Nordie

Oh yeah :corn:
<img src=http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100321%20Hira/slides/20100321-160605-0004.jpg>

warewolf

5th December 2010, 18:55

HAH... who would be guilty of such a crime ? :shutup:
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/warewolf885/event/20090404AP/CompetitionIIIWorn1.jpg http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o20/warewolf885/event/20090404AP/CompetitionIIIWorn2.jpg

:facepalm:

IIRC that was 29 psi per the book for on-road pressures. Did all that damage in a few hundred kays: Maungatapu, Altimarloch, Patriarch. There was nothing left to shed on the return over the Maungatap.

bart

5th December 2010, 19:58

IIRC that was 29 psi per the book for on-road pressures. Did all that damage in a few hundred kays: Maungatapu, Altimarloch, Patriarch. There was nothing left to shed on the return over the Maungatap.

Those small centre knobs got nailed by the look of it, closely followed by the bigger knobs. :bye: Would've been a bumpy ride.

Still plenty of grip on the sides though. :shutup:

Oscar

5th December 2010, 20:05

Shouldn't have to worry about tearing knobs off with the E08's :D

Also could have been the reason for this...

<img src=http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20101203%20Hori%20Bay/slides/20101203-184134-0005.jpg>

I had no problems with the E07...

That's not right...:facepalm:

10bikekid

5th December 2010, 20:12

Not so much that I have gone the adventure way, more that cost-benefit analysis suggested buying a more expensive adv bike and a cheaper road bike, given how much use they were getting relatively. Can I interest you in a CBR1000? :innocent: Then you'll be 11bikekid.

I am 11 bike at the mo as I have recently bought a The YZ290 :facepalm: but I am trying to become 9 bike by selling the Harley and perhaps the Tuono as I'm loving the KTM so much (though I'm usually all talk when it come to selling things :violin:)

So sorry no room for CBR, and the money tree is not in bloom at the mo :shit:

In conclusion Me thinks Adventures bikes are good :woohoo:

But 2 sets of wheels would be handy as for road trips I couldnt bear to give up the grip and for off road on anything but hard pack there is none
(not with 95 rear wheel hp anyway)

NordieBoy

5th December 2010, 20:47

That's not right...:facepalm:
It'd be easier if the front brake wasn't on.

dino3310

5th December 2010, 22:09

Oh yeah :corn:
<img src=http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100321%20Hira/slides/20100321-160605-0004.jpg>

your a cruel man Fran....... :clap:keep em coming:woohoo:

Mountie

6th December 2010, 19:07

_Shrek_

6th December 2010, 20:23

Made enquries about the Mitas E-10's and rears are due in a week or so and fronts early January.150/70/17 rear & 90/90/21 front. My Shinko's will be shot by January. Thoughts as to how these tyres will perform. Anybody had the oppurtunity to use them?

they pretty good, hold well on the seal & was off road on them yesterday :woohoo: wont last as long as the Eo7's but they worth having on

NordieBoy

6th December 2010, 20:33

Made enquries about the Mitas E-10's and rears are due in a week or so and fronts early January.150/70/17 rear & 90/90/21 front. My Shinko's will be shot by January. Thoughts as to how these tyres will perform. Anybody had the oppurtunity to use them?

There's a 150 rear in Nelson but I don't know if it's spoken for.

dino3310

6th December 2010, 21:48

Just tallied up the KMs
done 5500km on the AC10 front, looking about half worn:woohoo:
and 3500km on the rear TW-30:woohoo: of which i replaced today....

not a bad run for a $10 tyre

tri boy

7th December 2010, 06:04

not a bad run for a $10 tyre

Imagine the km's you would have gotten from it if it had rolled, rather than ran.:dodge:
Ok, I'm leaving the stage, your've been a fabulous audience:chase:

george formby

7th December 2010, 09:27

I'm looking at putting these on my Tdm. Anybody had experience of them? Road & gravel use.

clint640

7th December 2010, 14:06

I'm looking at putting these on my Tdm. Anybody had experience of them? Road & gravel use.

I've used a rear on the 640, it stuck well on the road wet or dry, but once over about 1/3 worn it spun up pretty easy on gravel. Got about 9000km out of it IIRC, which is about the same as the Mitas EO-7 I use now but the EO-7 grips better & for longer on the gravel.

Cheers
Clint

george formby

7th December 2010, 14:14

I've used a rear on the 640, it stuck well on the road wet or dry, but once over about 1/3 worn it spun up pretty easy on gravel. Got about 9000km out of it IIRC, which is about the same as the Mitas EO-7 I use now but the EO-7 grips better & for longer on the gravel.

Cheers
Clint

:shit: I struggle to get half that out of a sports touring tire! I've been riding gravel on road tires so a bit of a wiggly rear is obligatory. A bit more confidence from the front is what I'm after. Steep, windy, downhill bits with big drifts of pea gravel really ramp up the pucker factor on road tires.

clint640

7th December 2010, 15:56

:shit: I struggle to get half that out of a sports touring tire! .

:sunny: less hp & a much lighter bike helps eh? :yes:

I met a bloke a couple of months back who reckoned Mitas E0-7's were a great tyre on his DR650 cos he got 24000 km out of them. :shit: I'm not sure if he'd figured out what the twisty thingy on the right end of the handlebars was for :shutup:

Cheers
Clint

george formby

7th December 2010, 16:13

:sunny: less hp & a much lighter bike helps eh? :yes:

I met a bloke a couple of months back who reckoned Mitas E0-7's were a great tyre on his DR650 cos he got 24000 km out of them. :shit: I'm not sure if he'd figured out what the twisty thingy on the right end of the handlebars was for :shutup:

Cheers
Clint

That would be the volume control on mine:woohoo:

warewolf

7th December 2010, 17:07

A bit more confidence from the front is what I'm after.Yes, well "a bit more" is about all you'll get, not much. They are a fairly close-pattern tyre. Might be enough more for your usage though. On loose slidey gravel I find having balanced front/rear grip is more important than outright grip either end. E-07s sound like a better bet, likely cheaper for more grip in the gravel with little or no on-road penalty.

Padmei

7th December 2010, 20:01

george formby

8th December 2010, 08:29

Yes, well "a bit more" is about all you'll get, not much. They are a fairly close-pattern tyre. Might be enough more for your usage though. On loose slidey gravel I find having balanced front/rear grip is more important than outright grip either end. E-07s sound like a better bet, likely cheaper for more grip in the gravel with little or no on-road penalty.

I'm very limited in tire choice due to a 110/80/18 front wheel. A few TDM owners run a rear in reverse on the front, cannot remember which tire though, I'm still on my first coffee. Any body wants to sell a V-strom wheel or front end let me know. I've got 2 cats & a girlfriend to trade.:blink: not swapping the dog or stereo.

NordieBoy

8th December 2010, 08:56

Any body wants to sell a V-strom wheel or front end let me know. I've got 2 cats & a girlfriend to trade.:blink: not swapping the dog or stereo.

Pics of the cats?

george formby

8th December 2010, 09:47

Pics of the cats?

I will set the traps when i get home.

Oscar

8th December 2010, 15:56

A few TDM owners run a rear in reverse on the front, cannot remember which tire though, I'm still on my first coffee. .

Pirelli Scorpion

Taz

8th December 2010, 20:52

Pirelli Scorpion

Scorpians make up quite a percentage of Pirelli's range. Which one Oscar?

_Shrek_

8th December 2010, 21:13

Scorpians make up quite a percentage of Pirelli's range. Which one Oscar?

the round black one :facepalm:

Oscar

8th December 2010, 21:56

Scorpians make up quite a percentage of Pirelli's range. Which one Oscar?

MT60 I think.
Used to be called Pirelli Scopion A/T 110/80 18 - run backwards

Taz

9th December 2010, 07:07

MT60 I think.
Used to be called Pirelli Scopion A/T 110/80 18 - run backwards

Ahh probably the MT90A/T.

george formby

9th December 2010, 11:01

Ahh probably the MT90A/T.

Thats what I'm putting on but they do a front in right size so no reversing required.

Eddieb

10th December 2010, 09:38

Kenda are coming out with a new ADV tyre.

http://www.kenda.com.au/products.asp?rsCategoryID=1

http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/data/articlestandard/dealernews/372010/686085/Kenda.jpg

Kenda’s Big Block is the brand’s first tire for adventure bikes. Kenda says it designed the tire specifically to meet the demands of high-powered adventure motorcycles such as those from Yamaha's new Super Tenere, BMW, KTM and Suzuki. Large tread blocks improve tread wear and high-speed handling. A high-impact, bias-ply casing structure resists punctures. A bias-belted casing improves handling and stability. The rubber mound was designed specifically for wet and dry packed terrain. The Big Block is DOT- and E-mark-approved and will be available in front sizes 110/80-19, 100/90-19 and 90/90-21 and rear sizes 150/70-17, 150/70-18, 130/80-17 and 140/80-18.

clint640

10th December 2010, 10:46

Kenda are coming out with a new ADV tyre.

Ooooh... that looks nice... I'll give a rear a go if the price is right which it should be being Kenda.

Cheers
Clint

Taz

10th December 2010, 13:48

Not listed in our sizes Clint....

NordieBoy

10th December 2010, 13:49

Not listed in our sizes Clint....

90/90-21 and 140/80-18?

cooneyr

10th December 2010, 14:44

Not listed in our sizes Clint....

You'd a thought that bimmers were the only large adv bike in the world. Mitas's new E-10 is only aviable in 17" and 19" so far as well.

90/90-21 and 140/80-18?

Say's where?

NordieBoy

10th December 2010, 15:49

Say's where?

In the advrider quote...

ADVGD

10th December 2010, 17:05

Looked back through my records to find I did 21,000 km on five D605's (on the rear). No problems with the performance, I have high confidence when running them, they perform well on sealed road, gravel, the rough stuff, but that's only an average of 4,200 km per tyre so its time to switch brands to see if I can get a more financially friendly tyre of equal performance...

Thanks the k's Dunlop but I just can't squeeze enough k's out to be a financially viable option

dino3310

10th December 2010, 18:21

i thought 4200kms was good

cooneyr

10th December 2010, 20:48

....that's only an average of 4,200 km per tyre so its time to switch brands to see if I can get a more financially friendly tyre of equal performance...

Try a Mitas E-07. You'd probably get more off road grip and more km's from a E-09 if you wanted too.

Cheers R

thepom

10th December 2010, 20:52

I ve had both the mitas ,s and think they are great but am interested in the heidounow or how you spell it,might be an option but are more expensive than the mitas.

ADVGD

11th December 2010, 06:12

i thought 4200kms was good

A few people have said that, but I just clocked up another 4k in 4 weeks, changing tyres every 4 weeks is a pain in the butt. Aside from the financial side I'm getting a bit over using tyre leavers all the time :blink:

Try a Mitas E-07. You'd probably get more off road grip and more km's from a E-09 if you wanted too.

Cheers R

Just fired on an E-07, we'll see how she goes today mate :yes:

dino3310

12th December 2010, 10:06

19" & 17"
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-339642204.htm

offrd

13th December 2010, 14:47

Kenda are coming out with a new ADV tyre.

http://www.kenda.com.au/products.asp?rsCategoryID=1

http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/data/articlestandard/dealernews/372010/686085/Kenda.jpg

BUT STINK!!!!!!
Hello Duncan, the K784 is a brand new tyre from Kenda it appears and it is not brought in NZ yet. We checked all Kenda suppliers and got the same answer. ETA is not known at this stage.

clint640

14th December 2010, 13:52

BUT STINK!!!!!!
Hello Duncan, the K784 is a brand new tyre from Kenda it appears and it is not brought in NZ yet. We checked all Kenda suppliers and got the same answer. ETA is not known at this stage.

Maybe we should all ask after these at our local dealers, that might prompt the importer into bringing some in, or at least thinking about it.

Cheers
Clint

reofix

16th December 2010, 20:35

all out of tkc 80 ....karoo is nice ... no run in required ... but I do feel like Im leaving a trail of two dollar coins in my wake... $380 installed ... ffs

dino3310

16th December 2010, 20:55

all out of tkc 80 ....karoo is nice ... no run in required ... but I do feel like Im leaving a trail of two dollar coins in my wake... $380 installed ... ffs

:gob: you'l have to go easy on the throttle big fella or the $2 trail will have a few fivers on it

bart

16th December 2010, 21:45

That makes me real happy about my last two $20 tyres off tardme. :woohoo:

.chris

17th December 2010, 08:58

That makes me real happy about my last two $20 tyres off tardme. :woohoo:

Same, I burnt through a 20% used Karoo on the Naki Boys Ride, would be well pissed if I had just paid retail for it, fortunately it was $6.50.

Enjoying the E07 I have fitted at the moment, it is wearing nice and slow.
And the 2nd hand MT21 I have on the front has finally evened out the wear (was put on reversed to the wear and was buzzy as hell to start with, now its not so bad.

Now I just gotta get these new sprockets & chain on the bike so I can ride it again. 4 weeks with no rides, driving me insane :facepalm:

Waihou Thumper

17th December 2010, 17:49

Now I just gotta get these new sprockets & chain on the bike so I can ride it again. 4 weeks with no rides, driving me insane :facepalm:

You gotta change your supplier, that is ridiculous! :)

dino3310

28th December 2010, 20:28

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-343181433.htm

Taz

29th December 2010, 08:56

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-343181433.htm

They have gone up!!

For those guys running super moto rims the 110 x 17 rear of these works great as a front and then you just get a 140/80x17 E07 or E09 for the rear rim and you'll go any where.

dino3310

29th December 2010, 09:12

They have gone up!!

.

different seller, but the secret shop we get ours from:shutup: :lol: put there prices up a little but still cheap as chips

Major Defeat

13th January 2011, 13:53

Hi Guys,

I've finally saved up some cash to get me a new set of tyres.
I've been reading this thread and still can't work out the best tyres for my 650. I've currently got some trailwings which look like normal road tyres but with deep grooves and they are no good off the tarmac.

I'd be doing 50% on the road, the other 50% a mix of gravel and riverbed (very large gravely stuff).

Anyone make a recommendation? I'm new to this so I won't be going hard out or anything, so that shouldn't be a factor.

Sorry to hijack the thread!

Cheers
A

NordieBoy

13th January 2011, 14:17

I'd use Shinko 705's myself but a Pirelli MT21 front and Mitas E07 rear may be more what you're looking for.

Major Defeat

13th January 2011, 15:49

What would you say is the main difference between the two options?
Is mixed tyres a problem?

Cheers

dino3310

13th January 2011, 15:58

What would you say is the main difference between the two options?
Is mixed tyres a problem?

Cheers

Two options? :blink:

NordieBoy

13th January 2011, 16:01

Matched tyres front and rear or a grippier one on the front.

I love the Shinko 705's but they may be a bit road biased for some but only deep gravel/shale/mud will slow them down.

The MT21 front is great off road and wears well on road.
The E07 rear wears well and gives good grip off road.

You should get >15,000km from that setup on a 250 if you rotate the front occasionally (as the back of the knobs wear from braking).

_Shrek_

13th January 2011, 16:14

dino3310

13th January 2011, 16:21

i run an mitchy AC10 on the front and what evers cheap on the back at the moment its a TW30

Padmei

13th January 2011, 16:44

Just reshod my two steeds.
KLR 657 :

Dunlop 606 front, Knobbly - wears fantastically well & is excellent on gravel as it's got a narrow, deep knobbly tread & very confident with it on tar seal. (I've never had a prob with any front knobbly or not on seal however don't often ride in the rain) All round great tyre

Kenda 760 rear (I think that is what it is) Trying these out as heard good things about them. They have a wide bar type knobbly tread & apparently have great all round traction till they are totally worn.

BMWR80GS:

Front - Dunlop 606 - can't beat them.

Rear - Mitas E07. A funny type tread that I've found excellent for Nelson conditions. They grip like a knobbly on loose rocks, gravel & similar surfaces however aren't particularly good (actually hopeless) on anything muddy. Wear really really well.

Don't take too much notice of Nordie's mileage from his tyres - He rides exceptionally slowly & waxes them everynight:bleh:

Woodman

13th January 2011, 17:57

NordieBoy

13th January 2011, 18:38

I thought gonzo was on a t63 rear at the moment?

So did I. I thought the 760 didn't fit?

Woodman

13th January 2011, 18:39

So did I. I thought the 760 didn't fit?

It certainly looked like a t63 at the beach races.

Major Defeat

13th January 2011, 19:01

Righto, many thanks for the replies guys - I've got a MUCH better idea now of what I'm looking for. I've even managed to rank them 1,2 and 3 of choice.:msn-wink:

:third:

Cheers
A

Padmei

13th January 2011, 19:51

It certainly looked like a t63 at the beach races.

Alright alright I gues it's an AC10 then:weird:

NordieBoy

13th January 2011, 20:57

Alright alright I gues it's an AC10 then:weird:

DC10 surely?

It was flying...

:third:

_Shrek_

13th January 2011, 22:56

Whats a bead boot?

:eek: sorry you had to :wait: Taz I for got, but don't worry it's an age thing

these are car ones but can be used in rear bike tyres
& I carry smaller ones for the front

RideLife

14th January 2011, 07:24

_Shrek_

14th January 2011, 08:11

[COLOR="deepskyblue"]What is a Bead Boot Mr Shrek, and how does it work? (pic doesn't really show much).

if you open the pic you will see two arrows on it, if you split your tyre when out in the hills you can put one of these inside the tyre to cover the split,
to fit rough up the inside around split area, spread glue wait till almost dry (1-2 min) remove tape off boot put in with arrows bead to bead, repair or replace tube & hopfully get you home :niceone:

Major Defeat

14th January 2011, 16:33

What is a Bead Boot Mr Shrek, and how does it work? (pic doesn't really show much).

Major Defeat
Have offered you a deal on Heidenau K60's here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/131890-RideLife-K60-Adventure-tyre-special?p=1129956295#post1129956295) if interested.

Racey.

Curses! I've read this too late and have already bought a pair :(
Still, I'll talk to you when I need to get tyres on the vstrom, which should be soon as I'm getting ready to put that back on the road.

Cheers

OV Lander

18th January 2011, 10:10

dino3310

18th January 2011, 10:37

Havig had good results with E09's on the Dakar, I had figured I'd put some E07's on the 1200 and be a little less agressive given this bike will have more street focus. BUT, it seems Mitas only do the E10 in the right sizes.

Looking further afield, I am having a challenge finding an "all terrain" type tyre to fit the 1200 (110/80-19 & 150/70-17).

Any reccomendations out there?

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/301-bridgestone_trail/1101-bridgestone_tw101152.aspx

nooles

18th January 2011, 14:14

Havig had good results with E09's on the Dakar, I had figured I'd put some E07's on the 1200 and be a little less agressive given this bike will have more street focus. BUT, it seems Mitas only do the E10 in the right sizes.

Looking further afield, I am having a challenge finding an "all terrain" type tyre to fit the 1200 (110/80-19 & 150/70-17).

Any reccomendations out there?

I've got the Heidenau K76 on the back of my GS and before that was always Tourance. There is another Heidenau that is slightly more aggressive that I have seen on 950/990 KTM's.

Waihou Thumper

18th January 2011, 15:42

I've got the Heidenau K76 on the back of my GS and before that was always Tourance. There is another Heidenau that is slightly more aggressive that I have seen on 950/990 KTM's.

I ran Heidenaus last year down to the Dusty and back on the DRBig. I did over 4500Km, they lasted well, although the rear did show signs of wear and cutting up due to the terrain mostly, not aggresive riding. The front was good for another few thou....:niceone:
They were on special at the time, so grabbed them. I was impressed, they looked good and held the roads well and off road they were great, esp for the Passes etc...

OV Lander

18th January 2011, 16:50

Yes indeedy! The Heidenau K60 (http://www.northwest.co.nz/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=94&products_id=246&zenid=6596redck7cmeruvi8u40r1t55) is a good looking tyre, esp. the rear, but alas word says the 150/70-17 is still in testing until mid-Feb in Germany - but it is definitely the level of tyre I had my eye on.

_Shrek_

18th January 2011, 19:08

Looking further afield, I am having a challenge finding an "all terrain" type tyre to fit the 1200 (110/80-19 & 150/70-17).

Any reccomendations out there?

I'm running the E10 have give'n it a hard time on the tar & metal 1/2 worn & only done 2500 k so not that happy on that score, but am with the handling on & off road so have got another one $225 rear & still over 2/3rds left on the front

tri boy

22nd January 2011, 11:09

Boy, tyres have gone through the roof, price wise in 12mths.
And since I need a range of sizes for different bikes, it's getting bloody hard to secure well priced tyres.
This timeI needed a 130/80-17 rear for kanny's KLE500, for gravel/seal, (to give her suitable confidence on gravel), and a 90/90-21 hoop for my XRL650.

After shopping/hunting/missing outon all sorts of deals, I finally settled on trying the rally cross.
I vaguely remember clint being fairly happy with them, and the price was still reasonable.
130/90-17 @ $140
90/90-21 @$90

I just hope the 130 will handle the seal work, and the 21 will be ok for me on the pig.

Look out sth isld, the Wuckatoo drunks are heading to Marlybone in Feb/Mar.

george formby

22nd January 2011, 11:15

tri boy

22nd January 2011, 11:31

Tell me about it! I could not source MT90's in the right size so I'm stuck with Sports touring rubber, BT 021. $300 for a front, WTF? The MT90 is $109...

What size MT90?
Boyds had a couple on their shelves this morning. You could secure them through their web site if they are your size.

george formby

22nd January 2011, 11:38

What size MT90?
Boyds had a couple on their shelves this morning. You could secure them through their web site if they are your size.

110/80-18 & 150/70-17. I will have a squiz on their website. Thank you.

warewolf

22nd January 2011, 11:39

I finally settled on trying the rally cross.
I vaguely remember clint being fairly happy with them, and the price was still reasonable.
130/90-17 @ $140
90/90-21 @$90Yep, price on those is still reasonable, actually less than I've seen them last time I bought new tyres 2-3 years ago. But given they have been churning out the MT21 for 15 maybe 20 years, it's not like they should still be expecting to recoup R&D costs.

tri boy

22nd January 2011, 11:52

What other tyre selers are online that are similar to cycletreads.
I know Drury Performance are keen to pick up sales, and hopefully will improve their web site for browsing.
I'm so over counter hoppers trying to sell me tyres that they know little about, and are marked up, or over priced.
Cycletreads are getting 90% of my new tyre deals, and Dino gets the others for me:eek:
Now I just need to train Dino to sniff out $100 TKC's, and $50 T-63:msn-wink:

dino3310

22nd January 2011, 13:14

Cycletreads are getting 90% of my new tyre deals, and Dino gets the others for me:eek:
Now I just need to train Dino to sniff out $100 TKC's, and $50 T-63:msn-wink:
Sweet as
just need a driver and stolen plates :devil2:

NordieBoy

22nd January 2011, 16:44

www.bits4bikes.co.nz

Your local bike shop should be able to match the prices.

What other tyre selers are online that are similar to cycletreads.
I know Drury Performance are keen to pick up sales, and hopefully will improve their web site for browsing.
I'm so over counter hoppers trying to sell me tyres that they know little about, and are marked up, or over priced.
Cycletreads are getting 90% of my new tyre deals, and Dino gets the others for me:eek:
Now I just need to train Dino to sniff out $100 TKC's, and $50 T-63:msn-wink:

junkmanjoe

25th January 2011, 15:01

umopom

25th January 2011, 19:24

i ran a set of T63 down south to the dusty and around the south for 4 days.....there both in very good nick,,stick good to the seal and plenty off grip in the rocky bits...
im very happy and pleased with them..

JMJ & Baby LC4

Me too - fitted two weeks and 800kms before the Dusty, now completely bald! - they hang on well but the wear rate............? Maybe the Dunlop 908RR was worth twice the price after all?? Going to try an E09 next.
JC

junkmanjoe

25th January 2011, 19:37

yea but i only got a 400cc bike...you got a tiny bit more HORSE POWER :bleh:

JMJ & Baby LC4

Woodman

25th January 2011, 20:05

As a comparison i put a new t63 on before this year and last years dusty.

Last year it was basically knackered when I got home.

This year it is still pretty good, the only difference I can think of is that I was keeping my revs low to try and limit oil consumption. So no (well not many) roosts out of corners etc obviously has a major impact on tyre wear.

Was also running a new mt21 front for the first time. Not as good as a d606 and noisier. Also has a tendency to lock up under hard braking. But overall pretty good and i would buy again.

_Shrek_

25th January 2011, 20:34

Me too - fitted two weeks and 800kms before the Dusty, now completely bald! - they hang on well but the wear rate............? Maybe the Dunlop 908RR was worth twice the price after all?? Going to try an E09 next.
JC

Eo9 is a good choice, I ran one took it off after I had done 7500k & there is still a 3rd on it & new price $180 from DAS

I'm running the E10 & have done 3492k's while they hang on etc.. for the price $225 I will be going back to the E09 after I use the new E10 I have sitting in my shed this tyre has done 50/50 seal/metal-rock

the front on the other hand has hardly worn at all so will keep running them as they are tubeless

KX500

26th January 2011, 08:39

T63's around US$60 off bike bandit, US$111 flat rate shipping (Order as much gear as you like)

"Only ripping I want to be a part of is out on the trail" :D

JATZ

26th January 2011, 08:53

_Shrek_

27th January 2011, 20:44

just saw these on trade me for $80 NEW

90-100x19
110-90x17

Taz

27th January 2011, 21:27

If we all rode NXR125's then we'd be able to take advantage of those cheap tyres.

Padmei

28th January 2011, 20:10

:niceone: Shinko E-705

Did everything I asked of it over the weekend and performed really well, except for the wet grass and clay and mud, where it was less than adequate but I knew it would be, so rode accordingly
Ran at 14psi rear and 18 psi front for the weekend

Agreed :niceone:
I was really surprised how well they went on the gravel on the DRz. For a roadie looking tyre they're great - and cheap

NordieBoy

28th January 2011, 21:08

Agreed :niceone:
I was really surprised how well they went on the gravel on the DRz. For a roadie looking tyre they're great - and cheap

Don't forget, they've also got up "your" hill...

Horney1

31st January 2011, 03:39

I put a Heidenau K60 Scout on my 990 over Christmas. It cost $309 (& a long ride to get it) which was better than my Rally Raid or TKC80 alternatives. There aren't too many choices in the 150/70x18 size so I was really happy to find a good cost, functionality, T rated, made in Germany compromise.

230446

It's a fairly chunky lookin tread and seems OK on road, gravel, clay & black dirt so far. I took it down the top half of the 42nd Trav & back one afternoon. It felt more like an off road tyre than the TKC80 but of course still isn't up to the level of a decent knobbly. When I gave the throttle a tweek a few times it steeped out sideways a bit. I guess a function of the pattern and the deeper tread.

On the road it seems to hang on OK. It's a bit more twitchy and not quite as accurate as the TKC. I think some factors contributing to that may be:

I'm running lower than (my) normal pressures,
the deeper tread depth
it may be a bit softer compound than the TKC80
( and the TKO80 is a really good tyre ).
It seems to be wearing fairly well and I've got some high expectations of mileage out of it. It might be a week or two before I get back to the computer so I should have at least 2 or 3 (or 4!) thousand K's on it by then (I've done about 1000 - 1500km on it now, I think). I've got a feeling the pattern alone might make it wear better than the Conti.

Cheers

H

KX500

31st January 2011, 06:43

Have found the herringbone pattern very poor on grass and light muddy conditions, great for shingle roads, and yep the mileage factor.

dino3310

31st January 2011, 10:36

them K60 fronts look very simular to the IRC i got in the shed, very good pattern for the seal and gravel.

.chris

5th February 2011, 14:03

I just put that MT80 (in the few photos above) on the rear for the moment, the E-07 will go one when that one is toast (probably next weekend).

Mt21 on the front (which seems real vibey so far, not sure if I like it because of that).

And vibey it still is, I officially hate this tire.

My favorite 50/50 combo is an E07 rear and MT21 front.

I do like the 07, but the mt21 vibrates and hum's really badly.

I wish I had the $160 for a KarooT front they have at cycletreads, but I have an old 2nd hand Karoo which I should use first. And I have a Metz 6 days extreme I could use, and would probably be less buzzy.

Might have a free to a good home half worn MT21 shortly.

Waihou Thumper

5th February 2011, 20:06

Might have a free to a good home half worn MT21 shortly.

I can take this off your hands...:)

.chris

18th February 2011, 14:00

I can take this off your hands...:)

And sold to that man, its in my garage for anytime you want to pick it up.

It is about 50% worn, but still a good few km's left in it.

Padmei

18th February 2011, 18:51

Waihou Thumper

18th February 2011, 22:30

And sold to that man, its in my garage for anytime you want to pick it up.
It is about 50% worn, but still a good few km's left in it.

When it'stotallyrooted with about -2.5mm tread onit Iwill grabit & finish itoff

(& improvemy jumpingoff the bike skills)

Thanks Chris. Let's see how many km's we can all get out of it, pass the rubber parcel.....:)
Lemme know some details mate, for postage. I will not ever get over the shore to you to pick it up......North of The Bombays stress my mind and bike :), I like to stay south unless
making my way to better climates....:)

cynna

21st February 2011, 10:59

cooneyr

21st February 2011, 11:35

anyone tried the pirelli scoprion xc mid hard - they are on sale at torpedo

need a rear for the xr to go from chch to wellington for the pukemane ride via the rainbow and molesworth. the tyre is cheap enough but will it last the 1500km or so i will need

might be better off getting somthing more durable

You coul'd probably get the KM's out of it with careful use of the right wrist and running high pressures but why would you want too? Puke is pretty mild by the sounds of it. Whats a more durable tyres like a D606, T63 etc worth at present by comparison i.e. are they seriously cheaper?

Oh and don't buy a 140/80 vs the 120/100. They are basically the same size and the 120 is cheaper.

dino3310

21st February 2011, 13:58

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/content/productpicks/division/motocross/pirelli_xcmidhard

cynna

21st February 2011, 15:23

You coul'd probably get the KM's out of it with careful use of the right wrist and running high pressures but why would you want too? Puke is pretty mild by the sounds of it. Whats a more durable tyres like a D606, T63 etc worth at present by comparison i.e. are they seriously cheaper?

Oh and don't buy a 140/80 vs the 120/100. They are basically the same size and the 120 is cheaper.

t63 is $180, e09 $170, d606 $190 so the skorpion is quite a bit cheaper

got around 3500-4000 k out of the e09 and slightly less i think out of the t63 - it might still work out more economical then getting the cheaper scorpion . so might jsut stick with what i know - and pay more attention to my pressure

cooneyr

21st February 2011, 20:47

t63 is $180, e09 $170, d606 $190 so the skorpion is quite a bit cheaper

got around 3500-4000 k out of the e09 and slightly less i think out of the t63 - it might still work out more economical then getting the cheaper scorpion . so might jsut stick with what i know - and pay more attention to my pressure

Try running the pressures at 32-35 psi when doing gravel and seal roads. Bit worse traction on the gravel, next to no change on the seal and you might be able to get 50% more tyre life. I was able to squeeze 5000km out of a D606 at these sorts of psi when I had a DR650. First one I used I ran at 22psi and it was almost dead in 1500km.

dino3310

21st February 2011, 21:05

10bikekid

21st February 2011, 21:43

Im going to try a set of Kenda Road legal Knobbies on DR, at just over $200 bucks a set they wont have to last that long, but I would agree that Tire pressures are a biggie in regard to mileage, the KTMs MT90 Scorpions (little grip offroad though)will be up over 7000ks before needing replacement (running 36 psi) the Trail wings on the Dominator at 24psi only lasted about 5k with about 1/3 the engine power

Waihou Thumper

22nd February 2011, 04:55

i gotta agree with Ryan, im running whats stamped on the side of the tyre which is 32-36psi on most and im getting way more tyre life, plus i cant be fooked mucking round with pressures on the go any more.

Pump 'em up hard and ride. With our type and style of riding, it doesn't make squat really does it? Lower the pressure, inflate, lower etc.....I don't think I have ever seen a Dakar rider lower the pressure, then get off his bike and then inflate and check with a gauge? Or maybe that is missed in the highlights? :)

.chris

22nd February 2011, 08:13

Pump 'em up hard and ride. With our type and style of riding, it doesn't make squat really does it? Lower the pressure, inflate, lower etc.....I don't think I have ever seen a Dakar rider lower the pressure, then get off his bike and then inflate and check with a gauge? Or maybe that is missed in the highlights? :)

Yeah but the dakar guys (well most of them we see on the telly) don't pay for their tires, and they only need to get 1 day usually < 700km out of them.

NordieBoy

22nd February 2011, 13:48

I don't think I have ever seen a Dakar rider lower the pressure, then get off his bike and then inflate and check with a gauge? Or maybe that is missed in the highlights? :)

Most of them are running mousses so are stuck at about 13psi equiv.

dino3310

22nd February 2011, 18:32

Pump 'em up hard and ride. With our type and style of riding, it doesn't make squat really does it? Lower the pressure, inflate, lower etc..... :)

exacary .

Waihou Thumper

22nd February 2011, 18:42

exacary .

You just got higher to fall Dino! Less pressure, less height....(thinking of the hazards of course...) :woohoo:

Eddieb

22nd February 2011, 18:44

Pump 'em up hard and ride. With our type and style of riding, it doesn't make squat really does it? Lower the pressure, inflate, lower etc.....I don't think I have ever seen a Dakar rider lower the pressure, then get off his bike and then inflate and check with a gauge? Or maybe that is missed in the highlights? :)

+1 I normally set mine at a couple of Psi below recommended road pressures and leave them at a bit of a happy medium.

10bikekid

22nd February 2011, 20:21

You just got higher to fall Dino! Less pressure, less height....(thinking of the hazards of course...) :woohoo:

Three riders in the same post that have owned the same Bike :shit:

we must all get together soon (whatever tires we use)

dino3310

23rd February 2011, 15:56

Three riders in the same post that have owned the same Bike :shit:

we must all get together soon (whatever tires we use)

:laugh: kinda sounds like one of my old girlfriends :rofl:

bart

25th February 2011, 19:49

:laugh: kinda sounds like one of my old girlfriends :rofl:

:killingme:killingme:killingme:niceone:

Taz

25th February 2011, 21:47

:laugh: kinda sounds like one of my old girlfriends :rofl:

Yeah she was great!

mazz1972

15th March 2011, 14:00

now have Eo10's front & rear went for a blast up the road :woohoo: better than expected & handle the seal pretty good too

as far as the shinko's are concerned for me they are "utter shit" front delaminated on the way home from magpie, was running 36 or 38 psi depending on load, hadn't even worn the tits off :angry:

Hubby had exactly the same experience with his rear Shinko 705, but he was caning it and probably the tyre isn't rated for that. It was nowhere near worn out but he had done something like 8-10K on the set. So replaced the rear with the same and we'll just keep a closer eye on the condition. The front is still fine.

mazz1972

15th March 2011, 14:06

Any recommendations out there for tyres for the Strom?

Sizes are:

Front 110/80-19
Rear 150/70-17

Hubby is doing the Pukemanu ride in a couple of weeks and was going to use his DRZ400 but has decided the Strom will be much kinder to his rear!

He currently has Shinko 705's but I'm wondering if he will need something with a bit more bite.

NordieBoy

15th March 2011, 15:17

Hubby had exactly the same experience with his rear Shinko 705, but he was caning it and probably the tyre isn't rated for that.

Bias or radial?

mazz1972

15th March 2011, 15:46

Bias or radial?

Your question got me looking at the Shinko site and I see there was a choice of radial or a cheaper one I assume is bias.

The one that delaminated was fitted by the previous owner so I would say bias, knowing him. The replacement is probably have the same, I just asked the shop to order another 705. Will get radial next time.

The cheaper one is rated Q 99mph so hmmm!

Thanks Nordie

_Shrek_

15th March 2011, 16:08

Hubby had exactly the same experience with his rear Shinko 705, but he was caning it and probably the tyre isn't rated for that. It was nowhere near worn out but he had done something like 8-10K on the set. So replaced the rear with the same and we'll just keep a closer eye on the condition. The front is still fine.

shinko are replacing the front with one of the new radial's, :first: still :wait: for it, not sure I will run them as I wasn't all that impressed with the way they handled at speed, but then the shinko don't seem to like being put on big bikes

Howie

15th March 2011, 16:30

I haven't used the shinko 705's, but have used a shinko E700 on the rear, and a E704 on the front, both of which I would probably use again, but they aren't on a big bike, just the mid size KLR

NordieBoy

15th March 2011, 17:27

On the "little" bikes I love the 705's.

The front has done 15,000km now and still looks to have another 5-8,000 in it.

My DR next tyres will be 705's.

Trying to find a Pirelli MT43 for the rear of the TT and something knobbly for the front.

mazz1972

15th March 2011, 19:21

shinko are replacing the front with one of the new radial's, :first: still :wait: for it, not sure I will run them as I wasn't all that impressed with the way they handled at speed, but then the shinko don't seem to like being put on big bikes

On the "little" bikes I love the 705's.

The front has done 15,000km now and still looks to have another 5-8,000 in it.

My DR next tyres will be 705's.

Perhaps delamination has been a common enough problem for Shinko to turn it into a radial. Hubby has found handling fine, and that is often two up with his nephew and/or loaded with gear.

Checked with hubby and the rear did 9,000kms before it delaminated. Perhaps if he hadn't had his own round of the Cemetary Circuit on the way home from there :nono: it might still ok it was far from worn out. The front looks hardly worn at all so will likely get two rears to one front. Damm good value for money :2thumbsup.

NordieBoy

15th March 2011, 20:42

Perhaps delamination has been a common enough problem for Shinko to turn it into a radial.
Yep.
The 150x17 rear and 19" fronts seem to be the only ones with issues.
Big bike tyres, higher speeds, heavier loads.

They're the only ones getting the radial treatment.

It's weird. The 120x17 rear is rated (H) to much higher speeds than the 150 (Q).

mazz1972

15th March 2011, 21:01

Yep.
The 150x17 rear and 19" fronts seem to be the only ones with issues.
Big bike tyres, higher speeds, heavier loads.

They're the only ones getting the radial treatment.

It's weird. The 120x17 rear is rated (H) to much higher speeds than the 150 (Q).

Thems the ones on the Vee. Will be keeping an eye on both of them for sure, once bitten twice shy. I went and had a look at the rear with the faint hope that it could be a radial, but alas not. Yeah weird about the speed ratings.

Are you coming up for the Pukemanu ride? Hub has decided to use the DRZ400 instead of the Vee afterall so just gonna go cheap with tyres and see if I can get Kenda Trackmasters or Shinko SR244s. It's only going to be on the road for the one day and will be changed straight back to full offroad mode.

NordieBoy

16th March 2011, 07:12

Are you coming up for the Pukemanu ride? Hub has decided to use the DRZ400 instead of the Vee afterall so just gonna go cheap with tyres and see if I can get Kenda Trackmasters or Shinko SR244s. It's only going to be on the road for the one day and will be changed straight back to full offroad mode.

Riding down here. Laidback trailride this weekend and Molesworth/Rainbow/Maling/etc next weekend.

Go for the TrackMasters (760). Cheaper and knobblier than the 244's but wear well and handy to have round just in case.

warewolf

19th March 2011, 20:19

Question for Nordieboy and others who've run E-07s and SR244s: do you think the SR244 has more bite in the gravel because it has a rounder profile?

It was immediately apparent looking at the 'Golden Boy' SR244 that it has a really pointy sharply-curved cross-section. The E07 is fairly flat, innit? It's pretty soft, I hope the bigger tread blocks and slightly different pattern means it doesn't handle poorly like the Kenda K270.

NordieBoy

19th March 2011, 21:28

May have more bite in gravel but less traction everywhere else.
Very flexible, soft knobs.

mazz1972

21st March 2011, 12:54

Riding down here. Laidback trailride this weekend and Molesworth/Rainbow/Maling/etc next weekend.

Go for the TrackMasters (760). Cheaper and knobblier than the 244's but wear well and handy to have round just in case.

Hub went for the Trackmasters. Front tyre has a bit of a shimmy but passable. They aren't going to last long tho - has ridden max prob 20kms (road) and the edge is gone already.

NordieBoy

21st March 2011, 13:55

Hub went for the Trackmasters. Front tyre has a bit of a shimmy but passable. They aren't going to last long tho - has ridden max prob 20kms (road) and the edge is gone already.

I just did 80km of seal to the laidback, 100km of laidback, 80km back home and I've just lost the leading edge of the rear tyre.

The seal will kill the edge in no time but then last well.

mazz1972

21st March 2011, 14:46

I just did 80km of seal to the laidback, 100km of laidback, 80km back home and I've just lost the leading edge of the rear tyre.

The seal will kill the edge in no time but then last well.

They don't need to last long for him, trail tyres will be back on in a couple of weeks. By the time the Trackmasters get used again they will probably have gone hard. :cool:

fridayflash

21st March 2011, 17:11

im currently using a trackmaster on the stern end of dr and love it...plenty control
on gravel and fairly secure on seal, but as you say the life span is bugger all
jsu as well theyre cheep ;)

Steelie

29th March 2011, 06:21

Went looking for a T63 for the rear of my DR650. Everyone saying ,"cant supply". What about a dunlop D606? Havnt been able to find much info searching the threads. Looks slightly less aggressive, which may be a good thing since theres a lot of tarmac to cover before getting off it. Thinking King Country Ride from Bombay and home again. Have a newish MT 21 on the front & shagged trail wing on back at present.

Racey Rider

29th March 2011, 06:34

I have a 130/80-17 K60 going out cheap. Here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-363384355.htm)
Racey.

_Shrek_

29th March 2011, 08:04

I have a 130/80-17 K60 going out cheap. Here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Tyres/auction-363384355.htm)
Racey.

how about 150/70x17 for the same $$$ :whistle:

NordieBoy

29th March 2011, 09:45

how about 150/70x17 for the same $$$ :whistle:

Got a half worn TKC80 here for the price of postage.
The rule is you have to pass another tyre on to someone else though.

_Shrek_

29th March 2011, 16:48

Got a half worn TKC80 here for the price of postage.
The rule is you have to pass another tyre on to someone else though.

:niceone: Eo9 from the 650 past on

timg

30th March 2011, 17:46

:niceone: Eo9 from the 650 past on And it got passed on again as it don't fit my current ride :) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/135314-My-KTM-625-SXC-Adventure-bike-build

marks

6th April 2011, 11:58

I was trying to source a back tire for the May mud run and emailed LMS imports

Response:
Thanks for your e-mail Re Mitas E-09 unfotunatly we have sold out of 130/80-17 E-09 next shipment due approx 3/4 weeks cost $190.00

$190 fook
not available fook

is there anything knarlyish out there that isnt too expensive (klr rider remember) and is actually available before christmas?

NordieBoy

6th April 2011, 15:05

Kenda 760?

I've got Struans one here I can pass on...

Not contaminated, only been on an XF not DR.

ADVGD

6th April 2011, 15:36

I was trying to source a back tire for the May mud run and emailed LMS imports

Response:
Thanks for your e-mail Re Mitas E-09 unfotunatly we have sold out of 130/80-17 E-09 next shipment due approx 3/4 weeks cost $190.00

$190 fook
not available fook

Unfortunately Mitas are a brand you have to be a few steps ahead of yourself to ensure you always have a fresh hoof available when you need it. I just ordered 3 E09s (2 rear 1 front) for that exact reason. As you may gather, I fricken love em :yes:

warewolf

6th April 2011, 19:55

is there anything knarlyish out there that isnt too expensive (klr rider remember) and is actually available before christmas?Michelin T63 depending on P&A. I got my 18" much cheaper than the E09.

Edit: or Pirelli MT21 if you get desperate. Personally don't rate it quite as good as the T63, especially in rocky conditions where it takes a beating, but good enough if you can't get anything else in that calibre.

Howie

6th April 2011, 21:07

Michelin T63 depending on P&A. I got my 18" much cheaper than the E09.

Northern accessories are showing no stock for the T63 in the rear size for KLR's

view Here (http://www.northern.co.nz/products/196-michelin_trail/526-michelin_t63.aspx)

I thought they were going to be back in stock late march, as I tried to get one before the trip south at the begining of March. The price also seems a bit higher than I usually pay, but who knows.

bart

6th April 2011, 21:53

bart

6th April 2011, 22:03

Kenda 760?
.

Man that's grippy.....and cheap :shit: I bet it's shithouse on the seal.

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1611-kenda_k760_trackmaster.aspx

NordieBoy

6th April 2011, 23:05

Man that's grippy.....and cheap :shit: I bet it's shithouse on the seal.

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/306-kenda_trail/1611-kenda_k760_trackmaster.aspx

Any seals you run over will get spat out the back no problem.

Just did the Rainbow etc ride with one in the wet from Nelson to St Arnaud without any problems.
Only 2,500-3,000km lifespan though.

Needs a rim lock for peace of mind though.

bart

7th April 2011, 07:38

Any seals you run over will get spat out the back no problem.

Just did the Rainbow etc ride with one in the wet from Nelson to St Arnaud without any problems.
Only 2,500-3,000km lifespan though.

Needs a rim lock for peace of mind though.

For that price I could get 2 tyres. Those darn seals wouldn't stand a chance. :2guns:

clint640

7th April 2011, 10:07

Michelin T63 depending on P&A. I got my 18" much cheaper than the E09.

Edit: or Pirelli MT21 if you get desperate. Personally don't rate it quite as good as the T63, especially in rocky conditions where it takes a beating, but good enough if you can't get anything else in that calibre.

Yeah, the price of E09's has come up to about the same or more than the T-63. I have 1200km on my 1st T-63 rear now & it seems to be wearing better than the E09. Definitely wearing better than an MT21. They are all pretty similar traction wise, the MT-21 maybe has a bit more sideways grip.

No matter what your favourite flavour of adv rubber is you're always best to get em in well before you need em. Nobody holds much stock in NZ.

Cheers
Clint

XF650

7th April 2011, 11:48

Kenda 760?

I've got Struans one here I can pass on...

Not contaminated, only been on an XF not DR.

That Trackmaster has only done one Brass Monkey trip, via a very wet & muddy Dunstan Trail that year. Surprisingly predictable on seal, if a bit noisey.

george formby

7th April 2011, 11:54

Howie

7th April 2011, 16:35

I have been defeated by the search facility. I'm sure the answers to my questions are here somewhere but.....

Anybody had experience with Conti TKC 80's?

and, who imports them, prices etc. Not a lot of info on the interweb.

I'm thinking of them for my TDM, tarmac & gravel.

Continental motorcycle tyres are imported by Darbi accessories.

The last time I priced them for my bike was in feb, got quoted about $550 for front 90/90x21 and rear 130/80 x 17. They are a good tyre, but you sure pay a premium for them.

george formby

7th April 2011, 17:28

Continental motorcycle tyres are imported by Darbi accessories.

The last time I priced them for my bike was in feb, got quoted about $550 for front 90/90x21 and rear 130/80 x 17. They are a good tyre, but you sure pay a premium for them.

Thank you.

bart

7th April 2011, 20:07

I have been defeated by the search facility. I'm sure the answers to my questions are here somewhere but.....

Anybody had experience with Conti TKC 80's?

and, who imports them, prices etc. Not a lot of info on the interweb.

I'm thinking of them for my TDM, tarmac & gravel.

The TKC80 is one of the best tyres I've run, but the price went through the roof a couple of years ago. Went to the Mitas EO-9, which is almost as good, but now they're heading towards the $200 mark, I'm starting to look at other options. This is for knarly stuff, otherwise, I just run $20 trade me specials. It's amazing how much fun you can have on a $20 MT60. :woohoo:

warewolf

7th April 2011, 21:14

I have been defeated by the search facility. I'm sure the answers to my questions are here somewhere but.....Let me Google that for you... (http://tinyurl.com/3rdzh9b)

or more specifically (http://www.google.com/search?q=tkc80+%22Tyre+choice+for+adventure+riding +Mixing+road+and+off+road+%22+site%3Akiwibiker.co. nz&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=#sclient=psy&hl=en&lr=&source=hp&q=tkc80+%22Tyre+choice+for+adventure+riding+Mixing +road+and+off+road%22+site%3Akiwibiker.co.nz&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9d3468ca0635b6d) using advanced options.

Woodman

7th April 2011, 22:58

Yeah, the price of E09's has come up to about the same or more than the T-63. I have 1200km on my 1st T-63 rear now & it seems to be wearing better than the E09. Definitely wearing better than an MT21. They are all pretty similar traction wise, the MT-21 maybe has a bit more sideways grip.

No matter what your favourite flavour of adv rubber is you're always best to get em in well before you need em. Nobody holds much stock in NZ.

Cheers
Clint

pretty sure I have posted thid before but a t63 will keep on griping right to the butter end whereas a e09 will give up the goat when the knobs get low.But yeah, t63's are getting pricey so their attractiveness is not as good any more.
Btw , been out on the donut so their may be a few sellinf mistakes.

NordieBoy

8th April 2011, 07:03

Griping about goat butter again?

george formby

8th April 2011, 09:45

Let me Google that for you... (http://tinyurl.com/3rdzh9b)

or more specifically (http://www.google.com/search?q=tkc80+%22Tyre+choice+for+adventure+riding +Mixing+road+and+off+road+%22+site%3Akiwibiker.co. nz&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&tbs=#sclient=psy&hl=en&lr=&source=hp&q=tkc80+%22Tyre+choice+for+adventure+riding+Mixing +road+and+off+road%22+site%3Akiwibiker.co.nz&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=9d3468ca0635b6d) using advanced options.

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Google is my friend. Google is my friend.

Thank you.:yes:

Taz

8th April 2011, 10:04

Goat? Butter? :lol:

My favourite from Cary

"we'll play it by air"

WTF? :facepalm:

snodpete

8th April 2011, 16:06

Just got one of these from NorthWest Motorcycles in New Plymouth - in readiness for Waikaremoana Road in a few weeks. Not cheap but should be an improvement over the worn Tourance...

Looking forward to seeing how it goes.

cold comfort

8th April 2011, 16:13

Be interested to see how you find them. I have read quite positive reviews and plan to put them on my Tiger when it arrives in place of the Battlewings. What was the cost as matter of interest? I see they are $167US and $70US respectively in the States.

pete376403

8th April 2011, 16:23

the "butter end" - you been watching "Last Tango in Paris"? (don't think there was a goat involved though, just Marlon Brando.

snodpete

8th April 2011, 16:56

...What was the cost as matter of interest? I see they are $167US and $70US respectively in the States.

$264 Freight-free couriered to Westport <_< - Last one in stock apparently, but then they would say that...

snodpete

9th April 2011, 17:37

Took the bike out for a quiet ride to remove some new tire shine. There's a hairpin corner 100m from my house and the bike tipped into it far more easily, I think that's partly due to tyre newness (and round profile) than type - it took some getting used to!

Cruised over some road works (who thought they'd be useful) and hooned through several ks of gravel road, ploughing through the windrow where possible. Heide performed well so far, I quickly grew more confident of its gravel grip anyway.

So far so good. My only points of reference on this bike are the original Trailwings (severely average), the just replaced Tourance front (inspiring on seal) and now the K60. Checking the thin Tourance casing after removal made me feel extra lucky about getting through Rainbow & Molesworth unscathed!

cold comfort

10th April 2011, 18:34

Cheers for that -sounding good so far. Looking forward to doing a "top of the south" and North Island trip when i eventually get the bike!

dino3310

10th April 2011, 19:39

some times cheap tyres arent that good.... 2 flats in one day :shutup: wasnt me :innocent: allthough it was my idea:facepalm: 236356 236355

tri boy

10th April 2011, 19:45

Jeez, that lanky stretch of weasel piss's bald spot is getting bigger:gob:
Chinese tubes suck, mkay.

dino3310

10th April 2011, 20:03

i just emailed them and told them of the shit quality of rubber in them

BMWST?

10th April 2011, 20:07

i just emailed them and told them of the shit quality of rubber in them

its recycled and it may not be rubber

dino3310

10th April 2011, 20:19

its recycled and it may not be rubber

could be right mate as it didnt feel like rubber

Woodman

10th April 2011, 22:06

its recycled and it may not be rubber

Funny as I was talking to a guy today who owns a rubber band and rubberglove factory and he says that the price of rubber has gone through the roof lately because of the Chinese demand or something.(slight language barrier issue but i think I got the gist of it).

will be interesting to see what happens to tyre prices.

jafar

10th April 2011, 22:19

Funny as I was talking to a guy today who owns a rubber band and rubberglove factory and he says that the price of rubber has gone through the roof lately because of the Chinese demand or something.(slight language barrier issue but i think I got the gist of it).

will be interesting to see what happens to tyre prices.

Do the chinese put rubber into their tyres ? :shutup:

dino3310

11th April 2011, 18:56

Do the chinese put rubber into their tyres ? :shutup:

yeah just very little as possible :laugh:

cold comfort

12th April 2011, 08:42

many years ago in another lifetime (as a youth anyway) I refused to run anything other than rubber tyres (Metzelers as it happens) and my pompous flatmate chose ?Lin Shin (some crappy Chinese plastic tires). In the dead of winter on a shaded corner in the Rai Valley i stayed up right- he traveled home horizontally in an ambulance with a permanently trashed/broken knee after taking out a marker post and finishing in a ditch! Not sure if his tyres were overinflated but his ego sure as hell was as i recall. Good tyres- cheap insurance against a lifetime of disability.

ADVGD

12th April 2011, 13:50

Go for the TrackMasters (760). Cheaper and knobblier than the 244's but wear well and handy to have round just in case.

Your numerous comments on these tyres has gotten the better of my curiosity Nordieboy, I just ordered one, interested to see how they go

Ordered over the phone, Cycletreads seem like a friendly crew...

Good tyres- cheap insurance against a lifetime of disability.

Good point, I run E09's and feel really comfortable pushing them fully laden on and off road, not what you would call a high priced tyre but seem to have a good rep with many on this forum

Woodman

12th April 2011, 22:04

Okay then possibly I need educating, but how much rubber do tyres have? and if not rubber, what are they made from?

warewolf

12th April 2011, 23:10

Okay then possibly I need educating, but how much rubber do tyres have? and if not rubber, what are they made from?Natural rubber is sub-optimal for wear & grip, so they are made from a complex compound of lots of stuff - just like petrol. Silicates have been in the marketing materials lately, supposedly to improve wet grip. I'm sure you can google as well as the rest of us if you want to know more.

Mitas (pronounced "mee-tas" not "my-tas", I'm told) is a joint venture between Michelin (the "mee") from the west and a Czech consortium from the former Eastern bloc that includes the very reputable Trelleborg line. So although they are cheaper than the leading brands, quality is up there. They are not down at the same level as the cheapie Asians.

The giveaway that the cheapie Asian brands are yet to "grow up" is that they have very few tyres in big bike sizes (eg the 140/80 for my 640A or the 150/70 for the 9x0 or the Star Wars brigade) and lots in the piddling sizes, which reflects their home market demands not those of western capitalist pigs.

To continue the trivia, Shinko although Korean bought the Japanese Yokohama company's bike tyre business when Yokohama decided to be rid of it, so Shinko has a good base.

ADVGD

13th April 2011, 08:56

Natural rubber is...

Interesting, good post, good info, nice job warewolf :niceone:

NordieBoy

13th April 2011, 15:23

20% off Shinko's at www.bits4bikes.co.nz 'till the end of the month.

Just got me another 705 rear for $98

ADVGD

15th April 2011, 07:49

20% off Shinko's at www.bits4bikes.co.nz 'till the end of the month.

Just got me another 705 rear for $98

Hi Nordieboy, those 705's look like they have a pretty tame pattern, how do you find them off road?

Any experience with the 700's?

NordieBoy

15th April 2011, 09:18

Hi Nordieboy, those 705's look like they have a pretty tame pattern, how do you find them off road?

Any experience with the 700's?

Haven't used the 700's but the 705's go remarkably well off road. Jatz used them on the dusty and I used them all last winter up in Hira. The only downsides are mud and steep downhill loose shale.

The front has done 21,000km and will out last another rear.

Pressures at 20f/18r and it'll go anywhere. There's some in Nelson a bit pissed where I got to with them and they didn't with knobs on :D

Road I use 24f/26r and get about 10,000km out of a rear.

ADVGD

15th April 2011, 09:21

Haven't used the 700's but the 705's go remarkably well off road. Jatz used them on the dusty and I used them all last winter up in Hira. The only downsides are mud and steep downhill loose shale.

The front has done 21,000km and will out last another rear.

Pressures at 20f/18r and it'll go anywhere. There's some in Nelson a bit pissed where I got to with them and they didn't with knobs on :D

Road I use 24f/26r and get about 10,000km out of a rear.

Cheers Nordieboy, 10,000km... that's good, very good :yes:

NordieBoy

15th April 2011, 09:55

Cheers Nordieboy, 10,000km... that's good, very good :yes:

They've actually got a really deep tread pattern.

I use the 120x17 on the DR.

Taz

15th April 2011, 12:26

Haven't used the 700's but the 705's go remarkably well off road. Jatz used them on the dusty and I used them all last winter up in Hira. The only downsides are mud and steep downhill loose shale.

The front has done 21,000km and will out last another rear.

Pressures at 20f/18r and it'll go anywhere. There's some in Nelson a bit pissed where I got to with them and they didn't with knobs on :D

Road I use 24f/26r and get about 10,000km out of a rear.

I was surprised at how well you did with them when I was down there. I think I was only slightly better off on padmei's klr with the near bald E07 on the rear.

NordieBoy

15th April 2011, 16:43

I was surprised at how well you did with them when I was down there. I think I was only slightly better off on padmei's klr with the near bald E07 on the rear.

The E07 just gets more grip as it gets balder.
Finally it grips soooo much you've got to replace it just to get the bike out of the shed.

warewolf

15th April 2011, 19:33

The E07 just gets more grip as it gets balder.
Finally it grips soooo much you've got to replace it just to get the bike out of the shed.You must spread some more rep around... blah blah blah. :D

JATZ

15th April 2011, 20:09

The E07 just gets more grip as it gets balder.
Finally it grips soooo much you've got to replace it just to get the bike out of the shed.

Now and again there is a really good post on here....... and that one Nordie is gold :woohoo:

Gotta agree about the 705 too :yes: Anywhere wet, forget about staying in control :shit: but otherwise it's a tyre that grips really well considering....

BTW Nordie, you can have the front 705 I took off, I reakon you'll get atleast 30,000k's out of it:blink:

Padmei

15th April 2011, 20:18

Look if anyone actually believed the numbers Nordie reports from his tyre useage they would have worked out he has ridden the equivalent of the return trip to Neptune:blink:

Those 705s are very good on gravel. However I've yet to uncover the carcass of an E07 no matter how hard I try.

NordieBoy

15th April 2011, 21:43

Was getting pretty damn thin here...
15,000km
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/DR650/20070819%20Post%20Pig%20Valley/slides/20070819-110408.jpg

_Shrek_

16th April 2011, 00:18

Was getting pretty damn thin here...
15,000km
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/DR650/20070819%20Post%20Pig%20Valley/slides/20070819-110408.jpg

there's another 5k in that tyre Nordie :yes:

Taz

16th April 2011, 07:36

there's another 5k in that tyre Nordie :yes:
Easily .

Padmei

16th April 2011, 08:09

That's got wayyy too much tread for me.
Noticed my rear T63 has a split knob & looking well run in. I put it on before the beach races & prob only rode it a thousand Ks. Excellent grip in the rocks but they take their toll.

NordieBoy

16th April 2011, 09:15

there's another 5k in that tyre Nordie :yes:

I thought so too but that cuts were from little 'bro smoking it up over rocks trying to get up a hill in Pig Valley that I had no problem on the KDX200 with knobs on. Took him a while to realise that if he dropped off the revs and trickled up at 2000rpm there'd be no problem :facepalm: Was so funny to watch.

Went to Cycletreads and Clive broke the bead by leaning on it :shit: and when I felt along the inside of the centre ridge, the carcass was sooo thin, you could see my finger prints from the outside...

That's one of the reasons they work well. A nice deformable carcass.

NordieBoy

16th April 2011, 09:18

That's got wayyy too much tread for me.

E07 and SGS (sudden grip syndrome)...
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100321%20Hira/slides/20100321-160604-0003.jpg

:innocent:

Phreaky Phil

18th April 2011, 12:58

E07 and SGS (sudden grip syndrome)...
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100321%20Hira/slides/20100321-160604-0003.jpg

:innocent:Looks more like S.L.A.G (sudden lack available grip ):lol::lol:

NordieBoy

18th April 2011, 16:52

Looks more like S.L.A.G (sudden lack available grip ):lol::lol:

Then it gripped...
http://sports.nelson.geek.nz/motorsport/mybikes/Trips/20100321%20Hira/slides/20100321-160605-0004.jpg

Padmei

18th April 2011, 19:55

Damn I'm cool:yes:
That E07s stillgot abit of bite left init

warewolf

18th April 2011, 20:23

Damn I'm cool:yes:Nah, we're all just admiring that stunning bashplate! :yes:

Hey, where did that thread go?

ADVGD

21st April 2011, 22:18

...whereas a e09 will give up the goat when the knobs get low

Hey there Woodman, its been a long time between insults, drowned any bikes lately :shutup: :p

I have a brand spanking new TrackMaster 760 purchased on NordieBoy's recommendation that I had planned to throw on and try out but your comment has intrigued me. I am now keeping on my EO9 that is sitting at about 1/4 tread as I have not run one at low levels. It'll be interested to see how it goes, I am doing the Saint Bathans loop and the Awakino (Kurow to Ida Valley) this weekend, so it'll be a good test for it, especially the Awakino zig zag, will fill you in on my return...

Happy Easter mate :niceone:

Woodman

22nd April 2011, 09:15

Hey there Woodman, its been a long time between insults, drowned any bikes lately :shutup: :p

I have a brand spanking new TrackMaster 760 purchased on NordieBoy's recommendation that I had planned to throw on and try out but your comment has intrigued me. I am now keeping on my EO9 that is sitting at about 1/4 tread as I have not run one at low levels. It'll be interested to see how it goes, I am doing the Saint Bathans loop and the Awakino (Kurow to Ida Valley) this weekend, so it'll be a good test for it, especially the Awakino zig zag, will fill you in on my return...

Happy Easter mate :niceone:

Be aware they go off without much warning in my experience.
Haven't drowned any bikes lately, thanks for that, in fact I haven't even ridden a bike, (except for a quick blast on a street triple) , since the dusty.
Have a good ride this weekend.

ADVGD

24th April 2011, 18:55

Haven't drowned any bikes lately, thanks for that, in fact I haven't even ridden a bike, (except for a quick blast on a street triple) since the dusty
Priorities my friend, priorities... riding is good for the soul, we must make time for it :yes:

Be aware they go off without much warning in my experience.
Back from a great ride (pictures here (http://www.adventureguide.co.nz/articles/12/81/awakino-bathans.php)), admittedly I was not expecting the track to be as clayey and muddy in so many places as it was, but nor was I expecting the E09 at 1/4 tread to handle as well as it did, this was a very interesting test. To be honest there was one minor off on a clayey greasy rutty section that I put down to lack of traction, but lets not get into that :whistle: But as an overall opinion, they still supply adequate traction down to 1/4 tread, I'll try to avoid riding another down to that level as they noticeably handle far better from new down to 1/3 tread level, but if in the future a multi day ride pushes a tyre down to 1/4 tread level then I will still feel confident using them.

There are a few more tyres I have lined up to try out but at this stage the E09 still rates highly with me for good tarmac life while still being able to handle the gnarly stuff with ease

Life/KM till this change: 5,400km to 1/4 tread

Woodman

24th April 2011, 19:38

Priorities my friend, priorities... riding is good for the soul, we must make time for it :yes:

Don't I know it !!

Back from a great ride (pictures here (http://www.adventureguide.co.nz/articles/12/81/awakino-bathans.php)), admittedly I was not expecting the track to be as clayey and muddy in so many places as it was, but nor was I expecting the E09 at 1/4 tread to handle as well as it did, this was a very interesting test. To be honest there was one minor off on a clayey greasy rutty section that I put down to lack of traction, but lets not get into that :whistle: But as an overall opinion, they still supply adequate traction down to 1/4 tread, I'll try to avoid riding another down to that level as they noticeably handle far better from new down to 1/3 tread level, but if in the future a multi day ride pushes a tyre down to 1/4 tread level then I will still feel confident using them.

There are a few more tyres I have lined up to try out but at this stage the E09 still rates highly with me for good tarmac life while still being able to handle the gnarly stuff with ease

Life/KM till this change: 5,400km to 1/4 tread

Riding with worn/new tyres is another thing that makes things interesting. It adds another dimension. and sometimes a damn good excuse..Its a bit like planning a ride and considering stuff like range, bike type, tyre type etc. Its all fricken great.

dino3310

25th April 2011, 11:46

TKC get while there hot http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/573-continental_trail/4868-continental_tkc_80_trail_tyres.aspx?oneday=true

Howie

25th April 2011, 12:34

TKC get while there hot http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/573-continental_trail/4868-continental_tkc_80_trail_tyres.aspx?oneday=true

Good spotting, great price for those, but no 17's in stock :facepalm:

_Shrek_

26th April 2011, 20:30

Eo9 is a good choice, I ran one took it off after I had done 7500k & there is still a 3rd on it & new price $180 from DAS

I'm running the E10 & have done 3492k's while they hang on etc.. for the price $225 I will be going back to the E09 after I use the new E10 I have sitting in my shed this tyre has done 50/50 seal/metal-rock

the front on the other hand has hardly worn at all so will keep running them as they are tubeless

well I got around to taking it off last week & check to see what K's I had done since this pic was taken & found that I got another 2475 k's out of it so just short of 6k so it makes it a good $$$ for K's & those who where on the DB sore what it was put through, will try & be a bit more gentle on this one :facepalm: & see if I can get another k or 2

Baldyman

30th April 2011, 19:01

I have just this morning put two new TKC80's on the Dakar. (Thanks to Mike at Drury tyres). FANTASTIC

They handle really well on the tarmac and are great on the loose gravel. I am well pleased.:yes:

Padmei

30th April 2011, 19:15

I have just this morning put two new TKC80's on the Dakar. (Thanks to Mike at Drury tyres). FANTASTIC

They handle really well on the tarmac and are great on the loose gravel. I am well pleased.:yes:

And how much did it cost for a pair?

Baldyman

30th April 2011, 19:47

And how much did it cost for a pair?

$445.00 fitted - Ride in ride out.

NordieBoy

30th April 2011, 21:00

$445.00 fitted - Ride in ride out.

Ouch !

Oscar

1st May 2011, 11:08

Ouch !

A bargin.

No really.

Eddieb

1st May 2011, 12:08

A bargin.

No really.

Yup, considering these used to be $300ish just for the rear.

warewolf

1st May 2011, 13:07

Yup, considering these used to be $300ish just for the rear.They probably still are! $300 for the rear, $145 front would do it.

Padmei

1st May 2011, 14:10

kinda expensive tho aye? are they the 'best' kinda tyre for big bikes- I know the newGS guys seem to ride them, or is it a bit like if you buy a Ferarri don't bother about the price of petrol?

Oscar

1st May 2011, 18:07

kinda expensive tho aye? are they the 'best' kinda tyre for big bikes- I know the newGS guys seem to ride them, or is it a bit like if you buy a Ferarri don't bother about the price of petrol?

There are very few choices for the back of a KTM9X0.
I just tried a set of T63's on my 950, and I did not like front at all, but the back was OK. I'm gonna put the TKC back on the front.

snodpete

1st May 2011, 20:15

Had a ride in some loverly North Is rain to Gisborne, through Waikaremoana (fine at last) to Rotorua (got some Plugz4Lugz there...), then to New Plymouth. Attempted to go via Forgotten Highway but were turned back by a 'Road Closed' sign about 20km in from the north. That was a bummer.

New front tyre was great - performed well in the wet and also good on Tuhoi gravel, marked improvement over the Tourance which was vague and drifty. K60 still has some 'whiskers' on its edges, testament to my moderate cornering with pillion. It does howl a bit on seal, especially when braking hard-ish. So far so good. Will report some more on the whole ride soon...

warewolf

1st May 2011, 20:21

kinda expensive tho aye? are they the 'best' kinda tyre for big bikes- I know the newGS guys seem to ride them, or is it a bit like if you buy a Ferarri don't bother about the price of petrol?Very expensive for what is otherwise a very ordinary tyre. Continental do some (mostly?) budget stuff, but perhaps the willingness of the BMW crowd to buy them seems to have kept the price of these things silly high. It's not like they are new and need to recoup R&D costs, they've been churning them out for 20 years or sommat. Although the parent company is Cherman, like everybody else they have manufacturing plants worldwide in all the cheaper labour markets, including Korea where TKC80s are made.

If you read/listen to a lot of comments about them, people replace near-slick things like deathwings with the TKC80, marvel at the extra off-seal grip from a more open tread pattern, and without trying other comparable tyres they rave about how good the TKCs are. Bottom line is: they work for some people, they don't work for others, and they'll sting you in the wallet no matter what. I've tried them on three different capacity/style bikes now, and I've never been impressed enough that I'd buy a second set - especially given the price per km.

Padmei

2nd May 2011, 08:11

Oscar

2nd May 2011, 08:36

Yes interesting points Ww & oscar.
I was the same changing from the stockers on the KLR to MT21s, marvelling at the extra grip. I however wouldn't go backto them as they just wear out tooo fast for this tightarse.

I wonder over those 20 years how much the ingredients have changed?

I use the TKC on the rear for it's all around grip & predictability, particularly on the road. I have used a Heidenau on the back was very impressed - I'm currently using a T63 rear (which is waay more expensive and not that much better) So I reckon that a Heidenau K60 on the back with a TKC on the front is the best combination I used so far.

Padmei

2nd May 2011, 13:28

I use the TKC on the rear for it's all around grip & predictability, particularly on the road. I have used a Heidenau on the back was very impressed - I'm currently using a T63 rear (which is waay more expensive and not that much better) So I reckon that a Heidenau K60 on the back with a TKC on the front is the best combination I used so far.

Do you need or prefer the wider knobs on the front? I always shy away from them thinking the smaller sharper knobs would cut thru the gravel a bit better, hence my favouring of the D606.

Oscar

2nd May 2011, 13:50

Do you need or prefer the wider knobs on the front? I always shy away from them thinking the smaller sharper knobs would cut thru the gravel a bit better, hence my favouring of the D606.

I like the TKC front for its grip and profile on the road - off road, any old knob would do. I think because the TKC has a more rounded profile like a road tyre, it gives more confidence on seal. The T63 feels like it's flat and wants to fall over all the time.

tri boy

9th May 2011, 21:08

Quick tyre update on the Kenda Trackmaster rear,and Mich AC10 front.
Both excelent in the slop that was the Naki Liquidwhatever ride.
T/master at 12-14psi made a pretty tricky task of pushing through clay alot easier.
AC10 was as helpful as any tyre could be that is DOT rated.

Both twitchy/nervous on seal, but Iride like a nanna on the road anyway, so no big deal there either.

2000k and the Kenda is about half gone.
AC10 is fine.

Rosie

10th May 2011, 08:24

Update on my knobblier-than-usual tyre combo:

My Veerubber MT-21 ripoff (VRM 147, from memory) did well in the clayey mud, and is non-scary on wet tar. And its wearing really well.

The T63 rear is starting to look a bit worn, and wasn't the best in the mud, I wasn't getting a lot of traction, and it tended to slide sideways really easily. Next time I need knobblier tyres I'll be trying out a D606, or another veerubber to match the front.

Horney1

15th May 2011, 17:12

I'm coming to the end of my Heidenau I think. That's a 20c peice in the photo.

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I've done about 8,200km on it now. It's been a good allrounder tyre and handled my ways :innocent: Although I've not taken so much care on noting mileages in the past I think this is the first time I've got anywhere near this mileage from a rear on the 990.

I paired it up with a TKC80 front (which obviously has limitations). It felt like a reasonable combo.

Early on I was a bit nervous about the rear grip cornering at speed on seal but I lower the pressures which felt a bit better (& hence the squaring off - the passenger also had an input in that matter :innocent: to I think). My nervousness seems to have settled down over time and now I'm back at about 36psi. The difference between then and now may be due to the tyre now having shorter worn nobs but as you see the sides aren't too worn. It's the frst time I've had a tyre on the 990 that I haven't really touched the edges too much with.

I'll probably give another one a go and this time use their front as well (although I still like the front Conti)...

Cheers

C

dino3310

29th May 2011, 22:50

Hey Nordie whats the Shinko 705 like on the front?

cynna

30th May 2011, 01:00

did a search of this thread for fullbore tyres - has anyone tried them

according to advrider they are pretty much the same as shinko 705s and even made in the same factory

bit short of money so couldnt complain at $119 for the rear on the tenere. mainly using it to go to work on so it should do the trick