Wednesday Evening Cruises 2008-09

[JMemonic]

Phoenix and I sat down and made maps which we will post up here soon of what oure regular rides are so that when we say Duvouchelles, or Summit Road, or DIamond harbour people have some idea of the exact route. Phoenix will get the links up here asap (Well as soon as we have Broadband back...)

You guys rock :Punk:, when I get back in a couple of weeks I have to get together with you on another matter involving two wheeled vehicles, and hopefully we can have a quick discussion on how to build a herding net for cats ;)

[phoenixgtr]

I don't want to see this split either. It's awesome to sse such a variety of bikes and bikers every week. One big purpose of these rides is so that the less experienced of us can learn from the more experienced. The trouble is we're not really getting alot of that because alot of the more experienced guys are already in duvaucelles when the rest of us are halfway there. This has been touched on and maybe it's something we need to look at.

The other purpose of these rides is the social aspect and that is awesome. I feel that would be hurt if we split the group.

We just need a bit more organisation when we're at the carpark to make sure everyone knows where they're going.

I'm going to have a go at getting those maps up...

[Dave-]

how many new riders are we really getting?

[SpeedMonger]

You guys rock :Punk:, when I get back in a couple of weeks I have to get together with you on another matter involving two wheeled vehicles, and hopefully we can have a quick discussion on how to build a herding net for cats ;)

Yep, one step closer to organised chaos - good on you :clap:.

Don't suppose anyone found my bar end weight that fell off sometime Wednesday night??:bye:

I know that cats like milk, jellimeat and catnip. Somehow I don't think those will work but if:
Milk = cold beverege
Jellimeat = hot "people" food
Catnip = Some incentive, maybe we could get a local bike shop or even the pub we end up going go too to sponsor some spot prizes drawn at the destination (even just a discount voucher) - might help get people enthused about going to the one place.

Sounds like a recipe for success, based on the cat theorem of course:laugh:

Wonder how those Magpies are getting on....

[phoenixgtr]

how many new riders are we really getting?

You usually come along dont ya Dave :bleh:

[fireliv]

We had heaps of "New" Riders (people who were first timers to a wed ride) on wed. But you dont have to be a complete Newbie to need advice from others. Everyone has something to learn

[higgy]

Yeah totaly agree with that i still can't go round corners yet , i'm thinking of coming along to the next ride on wed just reading all the replies from last weeks ride seem like a deverse group and thats always a good thing looking forward to it :Punk:

[SpeedMonger]

Yeah totaly agree with that i still can't go round corners yet , i'm thinking of coming along to the next ride on wed just reading all the replies from last weeks ride seem like a deverse group and thats always a good thing looking forward to it :Punk:

Good to see another rider from the better side of the Waimak.

Each ride I have been on this year has had different riders, last Wednesday was the most diverse so far. All up I reckon we would be pushing close to 80 unique individuals, naturally some being more unique than others.... :bash:

[Ducky848]

I prefer a quicker pace with plenty of corners.

[_Shrek_]

I cant make it on most Wednesdays, Thursdays would suit me better because of work, but at the end of the day I don't really need anyone's approval as to what day I ride & as for fast/slow riders who realy gives a shit, you ride how you ride if you don't like the way someone rides find another way to the meeting place, get out in front or go tail end charlie, if nun of the above suit you "GO HOME"

so if you go have fun & enjoy
cya

[JWALKER]

i think el stevo and liv both have good point and i enjoy riding with both of you.
but, what about asking before we leave if there are any new guys or girls that would like some pointers and help on their riding from some of the faster and more experianced guys and have some guys or girls that would be happy to help, before we set out?. just a idea

[Bren_chch]

Thanks for the red rep Loner, reds my favorite colour, it's also a fast colour:laugh::lol::clap:, I'll treasure it always...:niceone:


Receive a red rep for having a different opinion! that’s what I love about this place! :baby: :lol:

[Transalper]

Only about 47 hours till the next departure. :wait: :corn:

[fireliv]

i think el stevo and liv both have good point and i enjoy riding with both of you.
but, what about asking before we leave if there are any new guys or girls that would like some pointers and help on their riding from some of the faster and more experianced guys and have some guys or girls that would be happy to help, before we set out?. just a idea

Great idea Jeff!

[El Stevo]

Receive a red rep for having a different opinion! that’s what I love about this place! :baby: :lol:

Yeah funny ay! Got myself a heap of green rep for takin the piss though...:first:

Not that it bothers me what others think. *waits for smart comments...*:cool:

[JMemonic]

Yeah funny ay! Got myself a heap of green rep for takin the piss though...:first:

Not that it bothers me what others think. *waits for smart comments...*:cool:

Oh that is an open invite, I shall resist the temptation ......

Its difficult .....

have to log out now :)

[Xsannz]

Looking forward to wednesday again, got the power commander installed in the sp2 .. went to work this morning bloody near crapped myself when the bike shut down at 5500 rpm and tried to lock up, found a loose earth on the frame --- my bad--- but we live and learn running good now ,

to all the faster guys , i am going to be humble and say i have only ever really ridden I4's so the sp is new territory to me being a twin and i am still getting the suspension set up so i would not mind having someone check my lines and riding style next time we are out as i cant judge myself but i am objectively so i am open to tips and ideas,

i have also found that the sp2 requires alot more countersteering than my old 06 fireblade, maybey it's just that the sp2 is just heavier

[karla]

i think el stevo and liv both have good point and i enjoy riding with both of you.
but, what about asking before we leave if there are any new guys or girls that would like some pointers and help on their riding from some of the faster and more experianced guys and have some guys or girls that would be happy to help, before we set out?. just a idea

I think this is a great idea, it would be good to identify the new riders and make them welcome. I was pretty shy the first time I went along, it can be a bit daunting throwing yourself into a group of black bikies :eek5:

It's also good time to remind everyone about staggered riding when in groups, and reinforce the "go at your own pace" message.

Just home from the Magpie now - I took an extra day to do the Mainland Riding course at Timaru Racecourse - what a day! It was brilliant to have the track (without road distractions) to practice my corners and braking, and to learn just how smooth the Bonnie can be. I'd recommend it to anyone, and hope to do it again later to resharpen those skills. Rally was great too :)

Will sleep well tonight :yawn: :zzzz:

[Bren_chch]

I took an extra day to do the Mainland Riding course at Timaru Racecourse - what a day! It was brilliant to have the track (without road distractions) to practice my corners and braking, and to learn just how smooth the Bonnie can be. I'd recommend it to anyone, and hope to do it again later to resharpen those skills.

With Dan Ornsby? He will be glad to hear you found it educational and fun!

[karla]

With Dan Ornsby? He will be glad to hear you found it educational and fun!

Dan and Mike and - ohhh, forgot a name - they were all great, supportive and encouraging. Dan told me I had the braking in the corner and standing my bike up nailed :ride: :love: (but I'm not supposed to do it unless there is an emergency.) Lovely to know that I can tho'.

Had plenty of opportunities to practice on the way home - a truck locked up it's wheels right in front of us and skidded along the road. Another delivery van going the opposite way had a tyre blow-out right beside me and there were sparks and debris flapping all over, that sure made the heart rush.

I wish the road was more like the track - racing riders are so spoiled! :rolleyes:

[phoenixgtr]

Ok people. Here's some standard routes that we like to take. Because of our wonderfull Port Hills these can be mixed up a bit, i.e. Diamond Harbour via Sumner might become Diamond Harbour via Dyers. Variety...it's all good. I'll put a link to this post in the first post of the thread. I’ve also included some info about the pubs we regularly visit.


1. Diamond Harbour via Sumner (Godley House)

Map 1
This is pretty much our standard ride. If noone can decide where to go, this is it. It takes less than an hour to get from A to B.

Good spots for regrouping:
1. In Sumner, just before Evans Pass
2. Just past Lyttleton. Theres a bay on the left after the tunnel roundabout
3. In Teddington, across the road from the Wheatsheaf


2. Duvauchelles via Halswell (Duvauchelles Pub)

Map 2
This route includes the straights from Halswell to Little River then the nice twisty stuff over the hill. Some choose to stop at Little River and turn around. A detour through old Tai Tapu Rd is a nice break from the straights.

Good spots for regrouping:
1. Just before Halswell, across the road from the BP on Lincoln Rd.
2. Little River


3. Duvauchelles via Dyers (Duvauchelles Pub)

Map 3
Same destination as route 2 but a little more interesting. This is the route the “fast guys” love.

Good spots for regrouping:
1. On Gebbies Pass on the corner next to the Wheatsheaf
2. Little River


4. Greta Valley (Greta Valley Pub)

Map 4
The northern route. Not particularly popular due to the straights. There’s several ways out of the city, but the route on the map heads straight through Amberley and turns off at Waipara. From there you head round to Waikari and then take the interesting back road across through Scargill and come out right across the road from Greta Valley.

Good spots for regrouping:
1. Amberley
2. Waikari


5. Summit Road to Halswell (Halswell Pub)

Map 5
Often when we do this route we ride the entire Summit Rd, from Evans Pass, right through to Gebbies Pass. However Google Maps thinks Summit Rd ends in the middle of nowhere so this map heads down Dyers Pass into Governors bay and around. Summit Rd doesn’t have many fans, but is a nice road to cruise. A detour through old Tai Tapu Rd makes the last part a bit more interesting (turn off to right just as you enter Tai Tapu).

Good spots for regrouping:
1. In Sumner, just before Evans Pass
2. At the Sign of The Kiwi on corner of Dyers Pass and Summit Rd.
3. At the Blue Duck on the corner of Gebbies Pass and Chch-Akaroa Highway.

PUBS

1. Wheatsheaf Pub- In Teddington (Just on the corner of Teddington Road and Gebbies Pass Road.
2. Godley House- 2 Waipapa Avenue, Diamond Harbour (Though Diamond Harbour look for Historic Place Sign)
3. Duvauchelle Pub-Christchurch Akaroa Rd, Duvauchelle. Just pass the Duvachelle sign on your right, Big Kiwi out front.
4. Halswell Tavern-344 Halswell Rd, Halswell (Parking in Shopping Centre area)
5. The Twisted Hops- 6 Poplar Street, Christchurch. (Head up lane off Tuam Street)
6. Greta Valley Tavern- 9 Tavern Drive, Greta Valley.

Anyone got anything to add or correct let me know.

[Ducky848]

to all the faster guys , i am going to be humble and say i have only ever really ridden I4's so the sp is new territory to me being a twin and i am still getting the suspension set up so i would not mind having someone check my lines and riding style next time we are out as i cant judge myself but i am objectively so i am open to tips and ideas,

i have also found that the sp2 requires alot more countersteering than my old 06 fireblade, maybey it's just that the sp2 is just heavier

I suggest the race track to get your bike sorted. Ruapuna is open most Tuesday and Fridays. I'm heading out for a few hours on Tuesday the 9th of Dec with a couple of mates if you want someone to follow you round.

The SP2 twin *should* in a lot of ways be easier to ride than an inline4. You have more torque available lower in the rpm range and the rear will be a little more tractable...perhaps just a case of getting your head around not having to ring the tits off it?
The steering on the SP2 may be suffering from poor suspension setup or a raft of other issues. If its harder to turn in though it should generally feel good once in the corner. My 848 is not the quickest at changing direction but provides more confidence mid corner with extra stability.

[cooneyr]

I'm out again this week. Got to go to Uni to meet my supervisor.

Cheers R

[gammaguy]

great work putting all that info together.personally im happy with any route(except maybe the flat boring ride to greta:zzzz:)and i will be happy to do any of them.

see y'all wednesday,no southerly changes this week hopefully:2thumbsup

[JWALKER]

Great idea Jeff!

i am not the fastest and most experianced rider. but, if anyone wahts a hand in any way on wednesday with helping with lines or following them for any advice, i will be happy to help out with the limited experiance i have :niceone:

[Transalper]

24hours to go, looking good for me getting there just in time again.

Thumbs up for phoenixgtrs ride routes post. Might pay to bring hard copys along.

[SpeedMonger]

I will be there hell or high water, especially now that I have a rain hat for "Mr Whistler"

Incidently, whilst talking to my friendly Honda dealer (replacing last weeks errant bar end weight), he advised that the fuzz, pigs, plods, boys in blue :Police: have been hammering the Akaroa highway, using all manner of mufti vehicles including a dirty old sigma and a surf with kayaks on it! Also has been laser operator on hillside. SO will pay to take care, presumably this is mainly for the weekend racers tho.:spanking:

Catch you all tomorrow :niceone:

[Mr Triple]

I will be there hell or high water, especially now that I have a rain hat for "Mr Whistler"

Incidently, whilst talking to my friendly Honda dealer (replacing last weeks errant bar end weight), he advised that the fuzz, pigs, plods, boys in blue :Police: have been hammering the Akaroa highway, using all manner of mufti vehicles including a dirty old sigma and a surf with kayaks on it! Also has been laser operator on hillside. SO will pay to take care, presumably this is mainly for the weekend racers tho.:spanking:




Catch you all tomorrow :niceone:



Arrr... you can be like some on here and don't bother stopping:shutup::gob:

[gammaguy]

I will be there hell or high water, especially now that I have a rain hat for "Mr Whistler"

Incidently, whilst talking to my friendly Honda dealer (replacing last weeks errant bar end weight), he advised that the fuzz, pigs, plods, boys in blue :Police: have been hammering the Akaroa highway, using all manner of mufti vehicles including a dirty old sigma and a surf with kayaks on it! Also has been laser operator on hillside. SO will pay to take care, presumably this is mainly for the weekend racers tho.:spanking:

Catch you all tomorrow :niceone:


its all true.check my "akaroa GP"thread:bye:

[Lil'M]

Dont have to work late this week so will hopefully make it for once!! see ya'll there :2thumbsup

[gammaguy]

will be a nice warm up before burt munro.hope it doesnt rain again this week:sunny:

[helenoftroy]

Arrr... you can be like some on here and don't bother stopping:shutup::gob:

Shush you!!!:whistle::innocent:

[helenoftroy]

Dont have to work late this week so will hopefully make it for once!! see ya'll there :2thumbsup
Cool!!be great to see you:woohoo:

The Ducati is back and ready to rumble:scooter:

[Bren_chch]

I will be there hell or high water, especially now that I have a rain hat for "Mr Whistler"

a condom?








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[SpeedMonger]

No I'm Catholic, so I just use a plastic bag....:laugh:

Just joking, but actually that is not a bad idea.:shifty:

[Bren_chch]

damn! It was so funny when i read it over in my head! :bye:

[SpeedMonger]

its all true.check my "akaroa GP"thread:bye:

Well if HOT is on the Ducati that'll clear the way for the rest of us - just don't be tail end charlie.:confused::Police:

[mj_scorpio]

hopin 2 make it 2morrow :) am a 1st timer, so will try not 2 get lost!!!

[Bren_chch]

hopin 2 make it 2morrow :) am a 1st timer, so will try not 2 get lost!!!


from hamilton, you left yet?

[SpeedMonger]

hopin 2 make it 2morrow :) am a 1st timer, so will try not 2 get lost!!!
If you're coming from hamilton you'd better get cracking now - the scorpio will be glowing red hot by the time you get here

[Bren_chch]

If you're coming from hamilton you'd better get cracking now - the scorpio will be glowing red hot by the time you get here

HAAAAA! beat ya to it!

[SpeedMonger]

Blardy Honda riders, always getting in first :whistle:

[Dave-]

I'll be there as usual to heckle people, make leud passes at womenfolk and cause general mischeif and mayhem.

oh helen, remember to dring a back pack.


edit:

there's gravel and road works around my diamond harboury area, it's well sign posted but still pretty messy.

[JMemonic]

Have fun guys see you in a week or two.

[Mr Triple]

Looks like I'm not going to make it tonight, gota work so all have a good ride.:Punk:

[phoenixgtr]

I'll be there in all my colourful glory. I've been very much looking forward to riding this week...must be a good sign.

Anyone got any preferences for a route?

[Transalper]

....

Anyone got any preferences for a route?:blink::laugh::lol::lol::niceone:

[McWild]

I'll be along tonight and hopefully someone will clarify why my bike has been packing a sad recently. Getting a service and a new chain but it would be nice to know. I'm choosing not to talk about the problem yet for dramatic effect.

[Wet]

I think I may be along tonight. School reports were getting me down but have managed to blast out all but 2 of them.

I'd be keen for a ride to up to the sign of the kiwi then on the summit road then Evans then to ye old faithful 'Gods House'.

Tell if these reports have affected my brain function.
Otherwise wherever I couldn't give a shit.

[phoenixgtr]

That actually sounds quite interesting Wet :clap:

[Wet]

That's the sort of supportive comments I've come to enjoy in this lovely little part of the internet.
Cheers

[karla]

I'm going to miss you all tonight, last Wed of month arggghhhh ~
Beaut day too - have a gr8 ride :scooter:

[Mully Clown]

I might come along for the ride tonight. Probably about time I went for a ride with a decent group of people.

[Transalper]

.....
I'd be keen for a ride to up to the sign of the kiwi then on the summit road then Evans then to ye old faithful 'Gods House'....


That actually sounds quite interesting Wet :clap:
Yep, I'll give that my vote, it's as good a plan as any to me tonight.
:soon:

[mj_scorpio]

from hamilton, you left yet?


If you're coming from hamilton you'd better get cracking now - the scorpio will be glowing red hot by the time you get here

haha i think it'd take a bit longer than 24 hours on my lil bike! I am not 2 far away now i just haven't got round 2 changin da ole location yet!!

[BigOne]

Saw an ambulance leaving Town, at about 8-45pm, as I was coming into Halswell. I hope no-one's hurt.

[Xsannz]

yeah i saw that same ambo on my way into halswell at about the same time and he was flying hope everybody checks in the same way

[helenoftroy]

Few txts....sounds like all ok with the KB lot:sweatdrop

Hope the Dauvachelles run was a good one:woohoo:

Just 4 of us headed round the Summit rd to Evans Pass then thru to Governors Bay.The Hyosung(sorry !!dont know your name!!)headed back and we took off to Diamond Harbour,bit of bike swapping:scooter: then back to Wheatsheaf for a drink.

Hooning into Wheatsheaf car park on a Duc is a VERY stupid thing to do:bash::crybaby:The large skid marks the spot,she was a two finger clutch job home:Oops:

I blame Motorad-ical....when hes around I get into trouble!!:Pokey:

[karla]

Few txts....sounds like all ok with the KB lot:sweatdrop


I hope so, have been watching the thread since the last couple of posts with some trepidation, so thanks for the update HOT. The gravel in the Wheatsheaf carpark is bad bad bad eh! :mad:

I guess I'm aware that we all need to take extra care out there, coming up to Christmas. Ride safely all ~

[Transalper]

I had a fine run, may not make next week as have other stuff on then which I have to drop overtime to get to and don't like loosing to much of that stuff.
Then again you never know what the day may bring.

ps, aren't there rules about reporting or discussing accidents?

[gammaguy]

superb ride tonight,awesome sitting behind the hayabusa on the way to duvauchelles.nice nachos in the pub,caught up with a few ppl.( i was cold and sat inside by the fire lol)

Thanks to Chris for the sit on the GSX R.Now i want one too you bastard!:argh:

hope everyone made it home safely.

and to the two hardened scorpio riders,i guess you are still out there somewhere........:whistle:

[Mully Clown]

and to the two hardened scorpio riders,i guess you are still out there somewhere........:whistle:
I managed to get back home. I assume the other one did as well, last saw her passing through Shirley.

I enjoyed myself, I'll definitely try and get along again. Thanks to those of you that pointed out that my indicator was loose and my headlight was aimed to high. Must've been why I keep missing turn offs, now I can see them instead of just the sign. Wasn't so nice finding the flashing lights after Little River though.

[SpeedMonger]

ps, aren't there rules about reporting or discussing accidents?

I don't know what the rules are, but ....

One of us came a cropper tonight, he failed to make the turn at Birdlings Flat and took out the barrier and a sign.

The sun was very low and bright, so I'm guessing that was the cause.

Have to give big ups to the guys/gal first on the scene, they were doing all of the right things. Good to know that there are people like you on the rides.

I had a great time till then too, very sobering seeing someone down like that. Hope you come out ok fella.:doctor:

[Dave-]

when I topped the hill on the way home the sun was scarlet on the hills, my first thought was those tight corners and the sun in them.

best wishes to the rider and hope for a speedy recovery.

[helenoftroy]

Our worst fear....Feel bad I wasnt around to help:doctor:

Just finished a night shift,professionally im unable to say anything at this stage on a public forum

If any KBers were assisting at the scene you can txt,ring or pm me,will be awake after 1.30pm

Helen....0273589475

[Xsannz]

That sun was a killer i backed off my speed onthe way home when i hit birdlings flat at about 830ish the sun was right at eye level made judging the corners and to that fact anything 10-15m in front of me bad,

got home alright though

:Punk: was good to ride with everybody :chase:

[Blackbox]

A bloody big billboard on that corner might help to block the sun, it was a real bitch. I hope he's ok.

[Transalper]

Just put your left hand up to shade your eyes people.
I had a bit of a conversation with phoenixgtr before we left about it, he said I had an advantage with my wide bars but fact is I've always done it, on all my bikes including the CBR1000 and VF1000 of which neither had particularly wide bars. If you have any doubt that it can be done on ya sports bikes then I question how you think onearmedbandit manages. He is the only one here who has half a good reason not to do it as he's already riding with only one hand on the bars.
If you have the tank clamped with your knees and arse planted firmly in the seat then you don't need both hands or wide bars to steer ya bike especially since you've slowed a bit since you couldn't see.
We are only talking the few minutes here and there when you are actually heading straight in to the sun, usually the next bend to steer you away from it again isn't far away.

[stevewederell]

Our worst fear....Feel bad I wasnt around to help:doctor:

Just finished a night shift,professionally im unable to say anything at this stage on a public forum

If any KBers were assisting at the scene you can txt,ring or pm me,will be awake after 1.30pm

Helen....0273589475

This is one of the reasons I am aprehensive about heading out on these rides when they end that time of night.

I wonder Helen if an Ambo' officer (if you're not really at liberty to) could give us all a bit of a write up on what to do if first or one of the first at a accident scene.

I know there have been posts regarding this in the past, but in all due respect to the posters, they may not be trained to the extent of someone in that profession. Yes I know there are ex professionally trained people who post here so feel free to say I'm being OTT. Just trying to look out for us all, or even a cager when needed.

That's all:done:

Steve

[Mikkel]

I wonder Helen if an Ambo' officer (if you're not really at liberty to) could give us all a bit of a write up on what to do if first or one of the first at a accident scene.

That's easy. Attend a first aid course, that'll give you all the answers you need as a layman. But baring that, the most important thing is to keep a cool head and act in a rational manner.

And if you hope that someone with a clue about first aid is around if you come off, then it would only be courteous to attend such a course yourself. :yes:

And in conclusion - there's a huge difference between being trained in something and being an instructor.

[stevewederell]

That's easy. Attend a first aid course, that'll give you all the answers you need as a layman. But baring that, the most important thing is to keep a cool head and act in a rational manner.

And if you hope that someone with a clue about first aid is around if you come off, then it would only be courteous to attend such a course yourself. :yes:

And in conclusion - there's a huge difference between being trained in something and being an instructor.

All good and well but none of the courses I have attended really talked about some of the specific problems that you may encounter on the road, like a semi concous rider with a helmet on - sorry:Offtopic:. This should be about Wed' rides not survival,as you were:bye:

[imdying]

What did they say when you asked about it Steve?

[McWild]

Cheers for the ride last night everyone, despite the usual mayhem.
Damn shame about the accident but I suppose all to be done now is give the best wishes for a quick recovery.
Good to meet some more people and see all the 250s out. Also cool to see some wheelies at the night's end, haven't seen them in person yet so yeah.
And also sorry to anyone I held up on the way home, I was travelling at 75ish for a number of reasons - being sobered up by the accident, it being night, and probably most strongly... my bike being fucked :(
So may or may not be there next week. If the bike isn't in shape I might just have to bring the 50cc powerhouse and unleash it upon the carpark to relieve the emptiness.

[Bren_chch]

Cheers for the ride last night everyone, despite the usual mayhem.
Damn shame about the accident but I suppose all to be done now is give the best wishes for a quick recovery.
Good to meet some more people and see all the 250s out. Also cool to see some wheelies at the night's end, haven't seen them in person yet so yeah.
And also sorry to anyone I held up on the way home, I was travelling at 75ish for a number of reasons - being sobered up by the accident, it being night, and probably most strongly... my bike being fucked :(
So may or may not be there next week. If the bike isn't in shape I might just have to bring the 50cc powerhouse and unleash it upon the carpark to relieve the emptiness.

what happened to your bike? :weep:

[stevewederell]

What did they say when you asked about it Steve?

None of the instructors really have said much, but it was in a class situation at work so they would not have been wanting to spend too much time off their own schedule. I do have another one coming up next week just by chance, so I'll see if I can grab the instructor over lunch. I am just weary of "chinese whispers" and I wouldn't want to pass on incorrect info

:Offtopic: again sorry

[McWild]

I don't honestly know it's just the least entertaining thing in the world to ride right now. The revs were messing up all over the show, sort of slipping up and down of the powerband and not really giving the right power at the right time.
For all I know it's common and easy to fix, but with my (lack of) mechanical intuition I'll just let the workshop at Trevor Pierce figure it out. Should really do a mechanics course or something sometime.
Anybody have any suggestions for courses, ways etc to learn more about that side of things?

[Xsannz]

i am by no means a mechanic but i have rebuilt 7 or so bikes.

what symtems is your bike having ie when on the gas it just wont rev or feels like it is bogging etc.

could be time to have the carbs balanced and flushed danm nz fuels for being so shitty

[El Stevo]

None of the instructors really have said much, but it was in a class situation at work so they would not have been wanting to spend too much time off their own schedule. I do have another one coming up next week just by chance, so I'll see if I can grab the instructor over lunch. I am just weary of "chinese whispers" and I wouldn't want to pass on incorrect info

:Offtopic: again sorry

St Johns comprehensive first course covers this and even uses a real helmet to practice with on other students...

[Blackbox]

Just put your left hand up to shade your eyes people.

The first thing the instructors got us to do on a mainland training/track day was to do the whole circuit (Levels) with just the finger and thumb of your right hand... ie just enough to keep the throttle on. It gave everyone more confidence in their machines.

I've since learned that bikes are kept stable (even on a lean) mainly by the gyroscopic effect of the rear wheel (which is why you can lift the front wheel coming out of a corner and the bike continues along fine with the same lean angle.. it's all the back wheel).

So yeah, I agree, better to see where you're going, especially since both hands on the bars aren't crucial.

At the same time, I've never experienced sun strike like last night. I found it kind of hypnotic... it was just so damn bright, and right in the very worst spot... I totally understand how this accident happened.

And also, I don't know your names, but Roger(?)'s mate, and the girl... you were doing such a good job looking after him!

[BigOne]

I left a bit earlier, and the sun was about 3 fingers above the horizon then.
Ive found that you can do two things about sun strike. Slow down, like the guys in front of me did, just take it easy, and second, install a strip of tape across the top of your visor, on the inside, like a sunshade on a car. You look out underneath the tape. When the sun is really low, you can tilt your head down just a bit, to hide the sun behind the tape. I have this band of tape on all my visors, and it really works well.
I hope someone can tell how the injured person is doing.

[Lil'M]

We were a couple of minutes behind the accident and even with a hand up, head tilted down and a tinted visor it was impossible to see any further than afew metres in front. All it takes is a momentary lapse in judgement!

Apart from that, was good to get out on the ride again and catch up with afew faces, having worked wednesday nights for the last year!

[Ducky848]

Anybody have any suggestions for courses, ways etc to learn more about that side of things?

Yup. Start taking it apart, being a two stroke there really aint much to them.

I would be VERY suspicious of the power valves. They may be stuck closed which would have a serious impact on top end performance....check them first.
Then....

Fuel: Check basic shit like filters (inc air), fuel lines and carbs. Carbs are not scary, pull them apart and give em a clean (check any online carb how-to). Check the condition of the needle and seat..it is possibly worn and causing grief.

Electrics: Get a new spark plug and gap it correctly (or get the shop to do it to your specs) Check battery charge and condition of connections and check the earth cable connection.

Compression: not generally a difficult problem to spot with two strokes, they just plain wont start (but are reeeeally easy to kick over ;) ).

[Ducky848]

I've since learned that bikes are kept stable (even on a lean) mainly by the gyroscopic effect of the rear wheel (which is why you can lift the front wheel coming out of a corner and the bike continues along fine with the same lean angle.. it's all the back wheel).



Errr no, both wheels are gyroscopes, so is your crankshaft for that matter.
For instance, countersteering a bike at speed to turn it in ;) Any force applied to a gyroscope (front wheel) will occur 90degs later in the plane of rotation.

[MotoRad-ical]

I blame Motorad-ical....when hes around I get into trouble!!:Pokey:

The blame game won't get you out of this one HOT! I was parked up making a B line for the bar. You just need to remember what bike your on when you hit the gravel ;)

[Richi]

Errr no, both wheels are gyroscopes, so is your crankshaft for that matter.
For instance, countersteering a bike at speed to turn it in Any force applied to a gyroscope (front wheel) will occur 90degs later in the plane of rotation.

Didnt mr garrison from south park "invent" the gyroscope: I machine that will travel faster than an aeroplane and over water? Also to drive it u need a dildo up the bum and 2 dildo-like controls....anyone else see that episode hehehe


Anybody have any suggestions for courses, ways etc to learn more about that side of things?

Wouldnt hurt to splash ot a hundred bux for a service manual. Coz i know everyone has spare money at times like this! or look for it on the net it helps a lot

[Transalper]

wouldnt hurt to splash ot a hundred bux for a service manual. Coz i know everyone has spare money at times like this! or look for it on the net it helps a lot
Are we talking a RG150 manual? if so there's a thread with download links (if they still work) here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=26069).

Actually no the first links don't work anymore but you might be able to get a copy from one of the locals that did download it.....
Post #25 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1268858&postcount=25)there has another version still active.
Cheers
TA.

[SpeedMonger]

I don't honestly know it's just the least entertaining thing in the world to ride right now. The revs were messing up all over the show, sort of slipping up and down of the powerband and not really giving the right power at the right time.
For all I know it's common and easy to fix, but with my (lack of) mechanical intuition I'll just let the workshop at Trevor Pierce figure it out. Should really do a mechanics course or something sometime.
Anybody have any suggestions for courses, ways etc to learn more about that side of things?

I mcthink your mcclutch might be mcfecked - when I was behind you going up dyers it she sounded like an automatic mcscooter - ie like the clutch was slipping

My history with two strokes is that you can often tell what is going on just by checking the spark plug condition. I you get a w/shop manual from the mclibrary they usually have a good section on plug condition and the causes.

Your bike seemed to be mcrevving freely but it was poking out a fair amount of mcblue - the question is, is it running rich ( or oil pump seeting out of whack) or are you also burning engine oil due to excessive gap twixt rings and the bore which means you will be down on compression - mcgrunt.

If your plugs are oily your oil/fuel ratio is too low (too much oil) and you get blue smoke
If you have the above and are losing crankcase oil and low power across the rev range then probably the rings are stuffed
If you have the above and a misfire then you may have ignition issues
If your plugs are tan then the air/fuel/oil mix is ok - maybe powervalves?
If your plugs are white then you are running too lean - blocked jet in carb

Anyway, this is my experience from RD days (they didn't have powervalves then though, just reed valves).

PM me if you want to have a yarn about it.

[mj_scorpio]

thankx 4 the gr8 ride guys, was good fun 4 my first time, hope i didn't hold 2 many ppl up wif my lil bike!! i'll improve wif practise i'm sure. it was great meeting so many friendly ppl, hope to meet sum more of ya'll in a couple of weeks (will get lots of practice in b4 then ;) )

[Bren_chch]

thankx 4 the gr8 ride guys, was good fun 4 my first time, hope i didn't hold 2 many ppl up wif my lil bike!! i'll improve wif practise i'm sure. it was great meeting so many friendly ppl, hope to meet sum more of ya'll in a couple of weeks (will get lots of practice in b4 then ;) )

which one was you... was two of ya on them bikes

[Dave-]

which one was you... was two of ya on them bikes

one was a chick and one was a dude...mj_scorpio has the female logo thinger beside her name so im pretty sure she was the chick.

she had the floppy pants which looked like tassels :P

[Mr Triple]

one was a chick and one was a dude...mj_scorpio has the female logo thinger beside her name so im pretty sure she was the chick.

she had the floppy pants which looked like tassels :P


Trust you to spot all that young fella:laugh:

[phoenixgtr]

Well I made it to the petrol station. Thanks for your concern Dave and co. I quote: "well it's a flat walk from Tai Tap to Halswell". I pulled into the servo with about half a litre left in the tank. Oops!

Once again, great to see new faces. It's hard to believe that every week there's someone new coming along.

Our thoughts are with Roger. I hope he makes a quick recovery. Thank you to those who were first on the scene. You did an awesome job.

[imdying]

are you also burning engine oil due to excessive gap twixt rings and the bore

If you have the above and are losing crankcase oillulz wut? :wacko:

[Mikkel]

she had the floppy pants which looked like tassels :P

Not like you to let your eyes wander that far down Dave... :blip:

You should keep your eyes up - it'll stabilise your bike as well :yes:

[Flip]

Whats the matter with tassels?

[Dave-]

I'm glad I deleted 90% of that post before I hit submit.

[SpeedMonger]

lulz wut? :wacko:

Ok so it was late :doh: At least some wan read the mcpost hehe.

Rodney Rudes McDonalds sketch is one of the all time classics....

[McWild]

Wow, so much feedback. Cheers all.
As said, I'll leave it to the workshop for now, but with the amount of spare time I have coming up (high school -> uni holidays) I think I'll have to have a poke around the bike myself. It's a shame I only got the bike once maintenance evenings were finished, especially since everyone seems so keen on helping out. Suppose I have to lose my mechanical virginity sometime though, so guess I'll just have to get stuck in.

Another note, I notice a Gymkhana thread taking root in the sportsbike forum. Although we hardly need any more things to try and organise, would anybody on giving it a go here sometime? Seems like an awesomely fun/cheap/challenging event.

[dangerous]

Our thoughts are with Roger. I hope he makes a quick recovery.

Ohh yes thats for sure, family man and all... and not in to good a shape, but in good hands.


This is one of the reasons I am aprehensive about heading out on these rides when they end that time of night.correct... I started riding with this group as it was a newer group to riding, I offered advice but a lot got a shit on with me and thought they knew beter... I saw a acco on nearley every ride, still what I had to say fell on def ears.
Im unsure if Rogers acco was KB related but know he was with a KBer, all the same I have been waiting to here whats been very lucky arse ups go bad, very bad.

The group has changed a bit of lat so before I upset people Ill come along next WNR, for no other reason than to ride.

[Bren_chch]

Ohh yes thats for sure, family man and all... and not in to good a shape, but in good hands.

correct... I started riding with this group as it was a newer group to riding, I offered advice but a lot got a shit on with me and thought they knew beter... I saw a acco on nearley every ride, still what I had to say fell on def ears.
Im unsure if Rogers acco was KB related but know he was with a KBer, all the same I have been waiting to here whats been very lucky arse ups go bad, very bad.

The group has changed a bit of lat so before I upset people Ill come along next WNR, for no other reason than to ride.

look forward to seeing you there grandad!

[mj_scorpio]

she had the floppy pants which looked like tassels :P

ahahaha thankx...it could go either way but i'm guna assume tassels are a gud thing lol...... way to make a girl not feel self conscious! i actually thought u'd all make fun of the fact i looked like the michellin man with my 5 or possibly 6 layers of clothin, so i guess tassels isn't too too bad!!

[Dave-]

trust me you'll rider better if you forget about self image.

[Transalper]

.....looked like the michellin man with my 5 or possibly 6 layers of clothin...
Much much better that you might look like the michellin man than be cold.:cool:
Thing with evening rides is they are often colder on the way home, also alot of people seem to overlook the fact that a big grey cloud might mean rain by the time we head home too.
I like to have those extra layers and wet weather gear either on me or in my bag for most rides so I can be all snuggly and comfortable no matter what happens. :niceone:

[El Stevo]

trust me you'll rider better if you forget about self image.

Ha ha yeah! Just look at Dave...:laugh::rofl::lol::lol::bleh:

[Dave-]

Ha ha yeah! Just look at Dave...:laugh::rofl::lol::lol::bleh:

or the power rangers....:laugh::rofl::lol::lol::bleh:

ooooh

[helenoftroy]

I started riding with this group as it was a newer group to riding, I offered advice but a lot got a shit on with me and thought they knew beter...

The group has changed a bit of lat so before I upset people Ill come along next WNR, for no other reason than to ride.

Will be good to see ya....I need & like advice(geez i desperately need all the help i can get!!:Oops:)

[fireliv]

Should be along this week, weather permitting. Suggestions on where to go??

[dangerous]

Will be good to see ya....I need & like advice(geez i desperately need all the help i can get!!:Oops:)

Im suprised that my post wasnt taken the wrong way actually, as it was only aimed at a very few, so as long as its not a drag race down moorhouse and stupid passing I dont mind but the last time I rode a older fella on a Triumph and a Busa would have easly hit 100k on moorhouse and a young one on a black 250/400 kawa was so farking loose it wasnt funny. This was topped of with the lack of indercating when passing other bikes, not good at any time and specially in such a large group.:scooter:

[Blackbox]

Errr no, both wheels are gyroscopes, so is your crankshaft for that matter.

No what? Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist) talks about the qyroscopic effect of the rear wheel as being the main factor that maintains the lean angle of the bike. Understanding that gives me confidence to e.g. use a hand to block sunstrike, which was what I was talking about.

[Ducky848]

No what? Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist) talks about the qyroscopic effect of the rear wheel as being the main factor that maintains the lean angle of the bike. Understanding that gives me confidence to e.g. use a hand to block sunstrike, which was what I was talking about.

:blink: I was pointing out that both wheels are gyroscopes and you cant dismiss the effect the front wheel has on the bike. In fact I would suggest the front has MORE say over the stability of the bike because you have a direct link to it.
Shoot me, but I dont quite get how understanding gyroscopic effects aids confidence in taking one hand off the bars? If the front takes a good knock the rear wheel gyroscopic effect wont alone save you...

[JWALKER]

Should be along this week, weather permitting. Suggestions on where to go??

what about to the wheatchief?, supposed to be a bit windy on wednesday. could go through sumner, over top and around the bays?, that way would be sheltered from the wind and any sun glare. jsut a idea

[Ducky848]

^^^Looking forward to attending this week. Is heading out to sumner likely to run into a lot of traffic or will most of the evening rush be outta the way by 7ish?
I like the sound of this route though.

[Xsannz]

Well should be there this week , permitting i dont have any conflicts , what a day , just lost my job so that may be a deciding factor on saving money this week , if anybody has any good sales positions going let me know.

and yes i know a bit off topic

hopefully see ya all wed

[gammaguy]

Well should be there this week , permitting i dont have any conflicts , what a day , just lost my job so that may be a deciding factor on saving money this week , if anybody has any good sales positions going let me know.

and yes i know a bit off topic

hopefully see ya all wed

well mate,i hear honda are looking for a suspension techinician with HEAPS of experience......<_<

[JWALKER]

^^^Looking forward to attending this week. Is heading out to sumner likely to run into a lot of traffic or will most of the evening rush be outta the way by 7ish?
I like the sound of this route though.

normally not that much traffic on week night around that time. its a good run also not too long and, so if people don't want to be out too late. i know the road from lytellton to wheatchief is clean, pretty sure sumner is too, but someone else might have travelled it in the weekend and know

[_Shrek_]

Will be good to see ya....I need & like advice(geez i desperately need all the help i can get!!:Oops:)

It's to late "HOT" zimmer frame & all that if you know what I mean :msn-wink:


The group has changed a bit of lat so before I upset people Ill come along next WNR, for no other reason than to ride.

as long as you don't mention B&E pie & don't offer some X spurt any advise coz he mite have a mod as a mate & you will get infracted :whistle:

hope to get off early enough to join you for the :ride:

[Dave-]

Well should be there this week , permitting i dont have any conflicts , what a day , just lost my job so that may be a deciding factor on saving money this week , if anybody has any good sales positions going let me know.

and yes i know a bit off topic

hopefully see ya all wed

check your PMs

I'm all for wheat sheaf via sumner, evans pass is my favorite bit of tar.

[helenoftroy]

It's to late "HOT" zimmer frame & all that if you know what I mean :msn-wink:

Never too late cheeky one
Come and do one of my yoga classes and we'll see who needs the zimmer frame old man!!:nya::moon:

[SpeedMonger]

Should be along this week, weather permitting. Suggestions on where to go??

I enjoyed Duvauchelles, but it's bit of a cold old place once you get there. Probably nicer later in the year.

Mr Wet's route of going up dyers around summit rd to evans and back round through lyttelton to the wheatsheaf, then home over gebbies sounds good to me. Probably should be known as the "Wet Route":laugh:

[Spuds1234]

If you do head out to Sumner get Mikkel to take you guys out over the hill.

He knows the route Im talking about. It was way more fun that the flats along the bays.

[SpeedyGirl]

normally not that much traffic on week night around that time. its a good run also not too long and, so if people don't want to be out too late. i know the road from lytellton to wheatchief is clean, pretty sure sumner is too, but someone else might have travelled it in the weekend and know

We went over that way on sunday afternoon and the road was clean and clear.....
all the way from the Wheatsheaf to Sumner

[Mr Triple]

Mr Wet's route of going up dyers around summit rd to evans and back round through lyttelton to the wheatsheaf, then home over gebbies sounds good to me. Probably should be known as the "Wet Route":laugh:


If I can make it, I vote for the "Wet Route" as well not a bad little trip that one.:Punk:

[JWALKER]

We went over that way on sunday afternoon and the road was clean and clear.....
all the way from the Wheatsheaf to Sumner

good to hear. just spoken with israel and we are going to carry on past the wheatchief to duvaccals, same as last week.

[phoenixgtr]

I'm keen to do Wet's route

[Wet]

I enjoyed Duvauchelles, but it's bit of a cold old place once you get there. Probably nicer later in the year.

Mr Wet's route of going up dyers around summit rd to evans and back round through lyttelton to the wheatsheaf, then home over gebbies sounds good to me. Probably should be known as the "Wet Route":laugh:
Nice to see you pledging support 'Mr Horn It'. Maybe this week I might actually go on the ride I suggested!

We'll have to see about the 'Wet Route' it could be a little slippery! Sorry, pathetic I know.
Sounds good.

[Mikkel]

Be careful on the Summit. It's not entirely grit free yet. Had a couple of rearwheel slides when I went through there on saturday. (Especially on the 25 km/h corner - grit at the apex when going towards Dyer's from Evan's)

[McWild]

Seems like the Wet route is pretty much set tomorrow night. Anybody keen for heading North next week?
Haven't been that way before and just curious. Weather dependant and all of course.
And woohoo my bike is being sorted out as I type.

[helenoftroy]

Nice to see you pledging support 'Mr Horn It'. Maybe this week I might actually go on the ride I suggested!

We'll have to see about the 'Wet Route' it could be a little slippery! Sorry, pathetic I know.
Sounds good.

Well some of us did it last week!!:oi-grr:

[Ducky848]

Seems like the Wet route is pretty much set tomorrow night. Anybody keen for heading North next week?
Haven't been that way before and just curious. Weather dependant and all of course.
And woohoo my bike is being sorted out as I type.

Im out Kaiapoi way so North works for me. The only down side is it takes a while to get to the good roads...awful lot of straights North of CHCH.

[El Stevo]

good to hear. just spoken with israel and we are going to carry on past the wheatchief to duvaccals, same as last week.

I'll see ya there then... :niceone:

[JMemonic]

Trying to catch up on all the events, all going well I will be there this week, sad to hear there was an accident :(, will be good to see D there.

[helenoftroy]

Anybody keen for heading North next week?
Haven't been that way before and just curious. Weather dependant and all of course.


Im out Kaiapoi way so North works for me. The only down side is it takes a while to get to the good roads...awful lot of straights North of CHCH.
We had an awesome ride early this year on a simply stunning Wednesday nite...Sure the straights are a bit of a pain but Weka Pass & the road thru to Scargill....magic!!:calm:

I remember it seemed like the temperature went up 10 degrees as we got to Waipara....the Busas rock & rolled that evening!!:rockon:

The wee pocket rockets did just fine too

Theres a few KBers out North so good to head their way sometimes

[Retroqueen]

If you do head north is there a north side meeting point or does everyone still go to the BK on moorhouse?? Just wondering for those of us who live on the North side....

[SpeedMonger]

Nice to see you pledging support 'Mr Horn It'. Maybe this week I might actually go on the ride I suggested!

We'll have to see about the 'Wet Route' it could be a little slippery! Sorry, pathetic I know.
Sounds good.

Well I think since it is your route that you had better lead the charge and clear all of that grit outta the way.

Anyone know if they have bar meals at the Wheatsheaf?? Or do I have to carry on to "Good god"ley house? Wouldn't want to fade away........:corn:

[Dave-]

If you do head north is there a north side meeting point or does everyone still go to the BK on moorhouse?? Just wondering for those of us who live on the North side....

meeting point will be the same for prosperity,but we could certainly organise a secondary meeting point (known hence forth as bravo) at the PEG? or something.

[JWALKER]

I'll see ya there then... :niceone:

lol, at duvacalles or BK?, surely BK, couldn't imagime you missing out on all those corners with izzy and me lol

[helenoftroy]

Wouldn't want to fade away........:corn:
Toast & three minute noodles again wouldnt be good eh:nya::rofl:

[gammaguy]

the guy at duvauchelles said to me last week a quick phone call would be nice but they always have food on anyways.BTW those that were cold could have sat by the fire:devil2:

[Qkchk]

Last trip down for this year, and yet again I will be still out on the road till after 8pm testing drivers. So wont be able to drop in a say hi....unless some miracle happens and someone cancels.

[gammaguy]

Last trip down for this year, and yet again I will be still out on the road till after 8pm testing drivers. So wont be able to drop in a say hi....unless some miracle happens and someone cancels.

:doh:would have been nice to see you this side of the bombays.:)

would have been cool to try and get lost behind your GPS:innocent:

ill see you up there again in feb,if not before:niceone:

[SpeedMonger]

Toast & three minute noodles again wouldnt be good eh:nya::rofl:

Yes, especially by the time I get home - the worms are definitely biting :drool:

[phoenixgtr]

Wheatsheaf via Summit & Evans

An interesting route with plenty of twisty bits. Has the bonus of easily being extended, either to Diamond Harbour or to Duvauchelles etc. Lots of options for routes home.

Ideal Re-group Points:
1. Top of Dyers in the Sign of the Kiwi carpark.
2. Top of Evans in lookout

[Flip]

I'm in. Got to pick up the boss at 9 in town. Think I told her to wear trousers.

[Wet]

Nice work Squid. Appreciate the effort.

[Ducky848]

Wheatsheaf via Summit & Evans

An interesting route with plenty of twisty bits. Has the bonus of easily being extended, either to Diamond Harbour or to Duvauchelles etc. Lots of options for routes home.

Ideal Re-group Points:
1. Top of Dyers in the Sign of the Kiwi carpark.
2. Top of Evans in lookout

Looks bloody good to me. Haven't been on the bike proper for 4 or 5 weeks so looking forward to it. Weather is looking perfect so far...nice warm tarmac.

[SpeedyGirl]

Perfect route since i will be in Sumner after work.... will see you all at the 2nd gather point :Punk:

[Blackbox]

Wheatsheaf via Summit & Evans

An interesting route with plenty of twisty bits. Has the bonus of easily being extended, either to Diamond Harbour or to Duvauchelles etc. Lots of options for routes home.

Ideal Re-group Points:
1. Top of Dyers in the Sign of the Kiwi carpark.
2. Top of Evans in lookout

Is this a definite for tonight? I leave from Sumner so meeting up at the top of Evans Pass would be cool...

[Blackbox]

:blink: I was pointing out that both wheels are gyroscopes and you cant dismiss the effect the front wheel has on the bike. In fact I would suggest the front has MORE say over the stability of the bike because you have a direct link to it.
Shoot me, but I dont quite get how understanding gyroscopic effects aids confidence in taking one hand off the bars? If the front takes a good knock the rear wheel gyroscopic effect wont alone save you...

Fair enough. I'll stick with Code, it's no big deal.

[Dave-]

if you're extreme and are going to duvachelle on what looks to be a stunningly warm night click on this text here (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=d&saddr=347+Moorhouse+Avenue,+Waltham,+Canterbury+80 11+(Burger+King)&daddr=Summit+Rd+to:Lyttelton,+Canterbury+to:-43.71814,172.613926+to:Duvauchelle,+Canterbury&hl=en&geocode=FTOiZ_0dOE1KCiFeDMXnuqXpEA%3BFQmxZv0dSW9KC g%3B%3B%3B&mra=dpe&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=13&via=1,3&sll=-43.722606,172.636242&sspn=0.092052,0.154495&ie=UTF8&ll=-43.691708,172.760696&spn=0.368396,0.617981&z=11)

or you can click here, it doesn't really matter cause it's the same link anyway. (http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=d&saddr=347+Moorhouse+Avenue,+Waltham,+Canterbury+80 11+(Burger+King)&daddr=Summit+Rd+to:Lyttelton,+Canterbury+to:-43.71814,172.613926+to:Duvauchelle,+Canterbury&hl=en&geocode=FTOiZ_0dOE1KCiFeDMXnuqXpEA%3BFQmxZv0dSW9KC g%3B%3B%3B&mra=dpe&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=13&via=1,3&sll=-43.722606,172.636242&sspn=0.092052,0.154495&ie=UTF8&ll=-43.691708,172.760696&spn=0.368396,0.617981&z=11)

[McWild]

Bike is still in shop.
Hate you all.
Hope your beer is warm and mostly head.

[KingJackaL]

Bike is still in shop.
Hate you all.
Hope your beer is warm and mostly head.

I lol'd :devil2:

My carbs seem to be playing up... again... again... *sigh*

I swear the only way I'm going to fix this is by buying genuine factory-new carbs and installing them myself (if you want a job done right etc...). I get like 120k to a tank atm, haha. Main problem being I don't know how to do that (yet).

[Dave-]

what happened to the other group?

we got to duvachelle no worries, and were told that the wheat sheaf was deserted?

I figured you guys had carried on to diamond harbor?

cheers izzy for putting up with me ^_^

helen, i saw your friend alex (the dude on the aprilia) at duvachelle real quick

[Spuds1234]

We got a little held up as there was a small accident.

Seems like the bikes more broken than the rider, but its a bitch that it happened tonight.

Make sure you guys are riding safely, within your ability and the conditions and keep things shiney side up.

Cheers

[Richi]

shit that sux had a good ride over past wheatshef (?) then round toward tai tapu and got lost! I saw a few guys riding past me as i wonder where the f*ck i was going haha. Other than gettin lost was a good first night out although i didnt hang around too long as we were the first to leave :eek:

[Transalper]

We got a little held up as there was a small accident....um... to quote the thoughts of the bowl of petunias on the Hitch Hikers Guide... 'oh no not again'.
Glad rider is ok, as such it seems safe to say inquiring minds want to know detail, where, how? Quickly before I start jumping to the obvious conclusions.

...Make sure you guys are riding safely, within your ability and the conditions...Seems hard to get that message across.


shit that sux had a good ride over past wheatshef (?) then round toward tai tapu and got lost!....
That's one of those things that seems to happen when the group stops being a group shortly after departure.
As was pointed out in earlier posts by others -
Newcomers (and others I guess) kind of need to be sure of the route or hook up with someone to follow who will make sure they turn where needed. All made more difficult with riders going to different destinations. You just don't know who to follow anymore and just can't follow just any rider on the chance they are going the same place you are..

I'm a bit bummed I had to work, it looked so nice outside.

[Dave-]

spidey sense.

saved me also tonight....think I might slow down for this corner and tighten earlier....just as well I did there's a dead possum in my usual line.

hope the down rider is doing ok.

[JMemonic]

On so many levels this has taken the pleasant way I like to spend my Wednesday nights and taken the shine off of it.

People this is not a race, the destination will still have hot chips and cold beer when you get there, first or last, (well one hopes and if they have neither we wont be back), if you want to test your skills and ability's there are open days at the track, go there, none of the roads we use are closed to other traffic, or for that matter livestock, ride them as if around each bend there could be something on the road.

These are the Wednesday Evening Cruise rides as the thread title suggests take that to heart, as was pointed out the local constabulary are well aware of KB and if they feel this ride is becoming a danger they will do their best to shut it down, also as was pointed out they will should the need arise point fingers at the folks who attempt to herd cats and possibly prosecute them, a bit unfair really if folks cant heed the warnings.

Slow the f$%k down, ride within your ability not to the max of it, and consider the newer riders when you pass them.

BTW if anyone wants to take umbrage at what I have said I don't give a rats , and will be happy to discuss it with them outside of this thread.

[helenoftroy]

Nice haul uphill leaving Rapaki,,,,then a right hander........

Me in front of Timg.....passed by Geordie(usually wears a bandana & on a Busa,on his GSXR 400 tonite)

Didnt make corner,he was concious but may have a leg fracture.Emergency is a mad house tonight so dont know any more at this stage....

[JMemonic]

um... to quote the thoughts of the bowl of petunias on the Hitch Hikers Guide... 'oh no not again'.
Glad rider is ok, as such it seems safe to say inquiring minds want to know detail, where, how? Quickly before I start jumping to the obvious conclusions.


Where about 800 meters before the 50 Kph sigh for Governors bay on the right hand bend, as to what happened I cant say, I did not see the event just the carnage.

[Richi]

spidey sense.

saved me also tonight....think I might slow down for this corner and tighten earlier....just as well I did there's a dead possum in my usual line.


Yea what a place for that thing i almost hit it too its a miracle i didnt haha im sure i wouldve binned if i did

[SpeedMonger]

Yeah 2 in two weeks is 2 too many. Really takes the gloss off what was otherwise a great night. Hope he is ok. Nice snack at wheatsheaf , no noodles needed tonight

[dangerous]

On so many levels this has taken the pleasant way I like to spend my Wednesday nights and taken the shine off of it. And this is why I had a shit on with the guy that tried moving my bike, well that and the fact the crashie nearly took out two good friends and I sprained my ancle trying to find him... so umm sorry bout that wolf.


People this is not a race, the destination will still have hot chips and cold beer when you get there, first or last, And with some... this will fall on deaf ears, and always will this sort of person will rearly even learn the hard way (not nesaseriously aimed at Mr crash on the night)


Righteeeeeeeeeeee O, a couple of very decent people and good riders have already said the basics... but you all know Ill say my piece aswell.
Phinex puts a good effort into these rires, if shit goes bad the coppers will be looking for him, I purposly did not tell HOTs new B/F in blue that we were a knowen group as I dont want unessary attention to KB. As there is and will be fuck wit riders on these rides its up to the rest of us to put them in there place or tell them to piss off... yes ALL of us not just me LOL.

For me I was 1st equal on the sceen... I parked my borowed bike rather fast stalling it and looked over the fence, nothing to be seen but good oll kiwi bush. Took note of the 88m skid mark an was able to trace the bike, on my guts still wearing all clothing I crawled through the scrub calling for the rider... couldent find him, and this was kinda freakie as I knew he was there, came out the other side of the trees and fall over a fence re spraing my ancle... looked down the feild and saw the twit in a heap, quick check over and I calmed down a bit, as he was all in tact and talking, so went up to get our in house nursie.
Retro had allready been on the phone and I could hear the alarm going off in the port folowed by Govners bay, 3 firies and 2 cops and the ollll meat wagon rocked up in what I thought was bloody good time.
There was no way this rider was going back the way he came in and lucky there was a track leading to a drive way close by.
Im fucking amazed this guy isent dead, when you follow his path down the bank for 20 odd meters you relise he missed by inches sign posts, lamp post, fences, rocks, trees and landing beside a rusty old jagered water troff... WAKE UP MAN some one wants you around a bit longer.

So... my reason for writing this, I hope just one person will will read it and take heed, on how stupid decisions/riding can affect others, if so selfish not to get it then please dont come on these rides in my words 'fuck off'
Accos can and will happen, but in this case the fuck wit at hand was overtaking two riders as there was an oncomming car, his speed was huge... this sort of acco does NOT need to happen.

[JWALKER]

shit that sux had a good ride over past wheatshef (?) then round toward tai tapu and got lost! I saw a few guys riding past me as i wonder where the f*ck i was going haha. Other than gettin lost was a good first night out although i didnt hang around too long as we were the first to leave :eek:

yeah, we waited at little river, but could not get any phone signal to call you. lots more days to ride :)

[stanleychung]

I hope the previously mentioned rider who had a oppsie is alright.

It was my first wednesday cruise and me and my friend (Yamaha Dragstar) felt really welcomed. We didnt know anyone, but everyone was such a friendly bunch always willing to have a yarn and offer some encouragement.

We did our best to keep up through summit road but I was taking a more leisurely pace being gentle on my engine because i was running it in still, of course (:shifty: :shifty: <cough><cough>

Anyway we had another appointment to go to before 8pm so I had to part from the destination half way through riding through sumner then back into town.

Thank you everyone for being so accomodating to me and my friend Daniel. I highly recommend anyone who hasn't joined a Wednesday cruise to come along. You take it at your own pace and everyone is so friendly. :done:

[karla]

Sincerely hope that our fellow rider is ok, and shame about the bike but sounds like it could have been much worse. I was relieved that I didn't come along last night (tired and catching up after our work xmas party), mostly 'cos I don't want to scare the daylights out of Little Boy. He's going to experience enough of life's dramas, as his mother I want to protect him from the dark side as long as I can.

In saying so, however ... get the contradiction - we sat up and watched the Passion of Christ, Mel Gibsons' movie about the crucifixion. Sad how so many people who were his so called friends and fellow men became so blood thirsty to judge him - and I kind of want to hide Little Boy from that as well!

Care about our fellow bikers, folks. Share the love. :love:

None of us go out on purpose to crash, or to upset another person's night. It is just a slip, a momentary lapse of reason, a lesson for the day. Some of us - myself included - have to learn the hard way, and I would not give up those hard experiences for anything. They make me feel alive. If I die, I hope that it makes you feel alive. We only have this day, remember.

I don't want to hurt myself, or take anyone along with me if something happens, but I accept the reality here - motorcycling is dangerous and shit happens. Sometimes we are powerless over that, and often it is an end result of our choices. It is our journey, and we share the road with others who, at the end of the day, are probably more like us than we care to admit.

See you on the road - as Jwalker says, lots more days to ride.

[helenoftroy]

I hope the previously mentioned rider who had a oppsie is alright.

It was my first wednesday cruise and me and my friend (Yamaha Dragstar) felt really welcomed. We didnt know anyone, but everyone was such a friendly bunch always willing to have a yarn and offer some encouragement.

We did our best to keep up through summit road but I was taking a more leisurely pace being gentle on my engine because i was running it in still, of course (:shifty: :shifty: <cough><cough>

Anyway we had another appointment to go to before 8pm so I had to part from the destination half way through riding through sumner then back into town.

Thank you everyone for being so accomodating to me and my friend Daniel. I highly recommend anyone who hasn't joined a Wednesday cruise to come along. You take it at your own pace and everyone is so friendly. :done:

Excellent you enjoyed your first WNR guys!!

and doing the Summit road....well done:clap:

Shes a twisty little peice but a great road for upping your basic skills

Look forward to seeing you guys again

Your comments are what we really need to hear today:(

[phoenixgtr]

I don't know how many times we say "ride within your own ability". I'm getting sick of hearing it, but it just doesn't seem to get through. These rides are a cruise. They're a social event. A chance for new to learn from old. They're not a race!!

This incident was stupid. It should never have happen and it's bloody lucky it wasn't worse. The rider was extremely lucky he came away relatively unscathed. He was a couple of inches away from death.

I can't afford to get in shit because of someone elses mistakes. I'm seriously considering taking a break from these rides and that's sad because I love them.

I am not responsible for anyones riding. You are all responsible for yourselves but you need to remember that your actions put others at danger. If Geordie had taken out Helen or Tim this would have been much worse and if the crash hadn't killed him I think the rest of us would have!!

[Ducky848]

Was cool to see another Ducati 848 at BK...sorry dude I didnt stick around to chat longer.

Bad news to hear of another bike going down, I'm sure the rider had no intention of running a tangent on the corner.

Also sad to hear all the bitching...each to their own, just dont run up my ass please.

....and hopefully the dude on the 999 last night isnt still laughing at me after I stalled at the lights on moorhouse coming home....*get the bike rolling BEFORE waving goodbye -dick* ahah

[Retroqueen]

Bad news to hear of another bike going down, I'm sure the rider had no intention of running a tangent on the corner.

Also sad to hear all the bitching...each to their own, just dont run up my ass please.

:angry2:
I wasn't going to open my mouth but sometimes I just can't help it. There are always going to be different points of view about this kind of stuff and I hope when Geordie gets back to a computer he takes a good long hard look at this thread.
You had to be there to get an idea of what was happening and ya also had to have been passed by him minutes before on a corner to know that his adrenalin was pulsing!!!! I'd rather he did that elsewhere please. NOT past me when I'm sticking to the speed limit and enjoying my ride and on a dang corner!!!
He's a very very lucky man
1) to have missed the pole
2) to have had a support crew such as Helen and team around.
Anyway all the best for a good recovery Geordie but please every one not only ride to your abilities but think of the others on the road!!
off me soapbox now : ride safe one and all
:rockon:

[Ducky848]

Groups of sportsbikes will always result in riders who want to fang it. No amount of online "ride nicely" will ever change this.

BUT, there is an option. As suggested before the guys that want to go at a quicker pace that is incompatible with the majority leaves with the first group. This group will still split into subgroups of like-paced riders who dont mind an R6 up their date so much....you will be better served here than carving up newbies and crusiers in the main group.

[Ducky848]

:angry2:
You had to be there to get an idea of what was happening and ya also had to have been passed by him minutes before on a corner to know that his adrenalin was pulsing!!!! I'd rather he did that elsewhere please. NOT past me when I'm sticking to the speed limit and enjoying my ride and on a dang corner!!!


Point taken.:Punk:

[JWALKER]

I don't know how many times we say "ride within your own ability". I'm getting sick of hearing it, but it just doesn't seem to get through. These rides are a cruise. They're a social event. A chance for new to learn from old. They're not a race!!

This incident was stupid. It should never have happen and it's bloody lucky it wasn't worse. The rider was extremely lucky he came away relatively unscathed. He was a couple of inches away from death.

I can't afford to get in shit because of someone elses mistakes. I'm seriously considering taking a break from these rides and that's sad because I love them.

I am not responsible for anyones riding. You are all responsible for yourselves but you need to remember that your actions put others at danger. If Geordie had taken out Helen or Tim this would have been much worse and if the crash hadn't killed him I think the rest of us would have!!

i agree with you totally phoneix, the incident should never happened.
but it's hard for some guys to want to offer advice to other riders, when all the get is flack for trying to help. we are not all the most experianced riders, but surely if we have a little bit more experience that we can share to someone else who doesnt, that will benefit them. they don't have to agree with it, but, isn't better for more inexperinced riders to have that choice.

we travel fast, but we normally go ahead or plan a slightly different route, so that if we come off, its our own fault. we had dave with us last night and izzy helped him with his lines and he appreciated it alot. we had no incidents and as faras i know, everyone enjoyed the ride, the faster gus went ahead at their pace and the slower guys at what they felt comfortable.
and to top it all off, we got a free plate of wedges at the pub :2thumbsup

[Ducky848]

we got a free plate of wedges at the pub :2thumbsup

:2thumbsup:2thumbsup Fark yeah. Good times.

[JMemonic]

i agree with you totally phoneix, the incident should never happened.
but it's hard for some guys to want to offer advice to other riders, when all the get is flack for trying to help. we are not all the most experianced riders, but surely if we have a little bit more experience that we can share to someone else who doesnt, that will benefit them. they don't have to agree with it, but, isn't better for more inexperinced riders to have that choice.

Jeff I am sure that your input plus that of others is appreciated but those who you help out, and sure you point out you might not be the most experienced of us but there are still skills you can pass on, basics that can be practiced are the best.




we travel fast, but we normally go ahead or plan a slightly different route

And in that lies the problem mate, if you and Izzy could at some point, (and I know this will be difficult, (p/t)), could slow down and ride towards the back, see what guys are doing, then offer help with lines, control etc then we would be all be better off.

[JMemonic]

I don't know how many times we say "ride within your own ability". I'm getting sick of hearing it, but it just doesn't seem to get through. These rides are a cruise. They're a social event. A chance for new to learn from old. They're not a race!!

Do we have to make up a big sign board for the start or something silly? I have a sledge hammer here do I need to take it along to hammer it home, slow and steady pace, we all get beer and chips at the end, (if a we have money hey casuality :), b if thats what we want.)


I can't afford to get in shit because of someone elses mistakes. I'm seriously considering taking a break from these rides and that's sad because I love them.

Same kinda, but I really don't want to.


I am not responsible for anyones riding.

Nor should you have to be.

[imdying]

I can't afford to get in shit because of someone elses mistakes. I'm seriously considering taking a break from these rides and that's sad because I love them.Pop down to the plod shop and see if you can't convince one of them to bring their BMW along each week. If nothing else you'll have a direct line to the comms room should the worst happen again.

[JWALKER]

Jeff I am sure that your input plus that of others is appreciated but those who you help out, and sure you point out you might not be the most experienced of us but there are still skills you can pass on, basics that can be practiced are the best.





And in that lies the problem mate, if you and Izzy could at some point, (and I know this will be difficult, (p/t)), could slow down and ride towards the back, see what guys are doing, then offer help with lines, control etc then we would be all be better off.

Jm, i do point out everytime someone asks me that im not the most experinced rider, far from it, but am help to help in anyway, but i kinda gave offering any help, when i got hammered with ridicule about my riding ability when i did try to help out some other bikers.i know will izzy will be happy to ride at the back and help, so would i, but, we just don't see the point when we get flacked about it.
i will ride at the back next wednesday and see how it goes, but as long as we are left to help out and not attacked about it.

[JWALKER]

Jmenoic, we all want the same, a enjoyable ride with no incidents and people being able to help each other out.
hopefully we can steer towards that rather than the last couple of wednesdays

[JMemonic]

Ok folks I am actually that concerned I have already stated I will be making up a first aid kit for the bike in the form of a tank bag, any donations towards its contents would be appreciated, but that is not what this post is about.

I have just gotten off the phone with the nice folks at St Johns discussing a motorcycle specific course for us, we can have a maximum of 18 people attending it will be a 4.5 hour course, and we can either have it on a Saturday morning or one evening, the course cost total is about $835 including, thus if we can get a full 18 it will work out to about $46 each.

They will cover off
CPR
Bleeding
Neck, and Spinal (including helmet removal)
Head immobilisation
Fractures.

To some of you this will be old hat, but so what practice, practice, and more practice cant hurt, neither can training.

I need numbers folks.

Link to thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1836670#post1836670)

[alley cat]

Groups of sportsbikes will always result in riders who want to fang it. No amount of online "ride nicely" will ever change this.


Thank god Bikes were made for fanging!
Pehaps a bit more experience, and road manners wouldnt hurt, but im very guilty of being a hooligan so i wont preach.


Pop down to the plod shop and see if you can't convince one of them to bring their BMW along each week.

Keep him well away from me. I bite.
And im running low on demerits.:(

[El Stevo]

And in that lies the problem mate, if you and Izzy could at some point, (and I know this will be difficult, (p/t)), could slow down and ride towards the back, see what guys are doing, then offer help with lines, control etc then we would be all be better off.

I think more the point here is that some of the 'faster' (yeah go on... shoot me for saying it!) riders don't wan't to hang back. Thats why they group together and have a ride with each other. I like to meet socially at BK but I have no interest in playing 'riding instructer' to strangers.

I am a strong believer that people should only take advice from someone they know and trust, a lot of advice that gets given comes from people that shouldn't be giving it...

If people are serious about increasing their skills then:

1) go to the track (Tuesdays and Fridays are best)
2) spend more time riding - practice makes perfect
or 3) spend some one on one time with a trusted rider, groups of novices are not the best place to learn.

Another thing that bothers me about this ride is all the focus on new riders and 'forcing ones infinate wisdom' onto them. IT'S NOT THE NEW RIDERS THAT ARE COMING TO GRIEF!

*steps down from soapbox*

[helenoftroy]

I'm seriously considering taking a break from these rides and that's sad because I love them.


Jmenoic, we all want the same, a enjoyable ride with no incidents and people being able to help each other out.
hopefully we can steer towards that rather than the last couple of wednesdays

I think I need a break too...

Last summer seemed different...whats changed?:weep:

[Ducky848]

[edit] actually I'm gonna stay outta this :shutup::shutup:

[helenoftroy]

Ok folks I am actually that concerned I have already stated I will be making up a first aid kit for the bike in the form of a tank bag, any donations towards its contents would be appreciated, but that is not what this post is about.


I will do this.....no problem:doctor:

[Transalper]

A thought from me.
What if we gather those that want to ride in the manner of the original learner friendly concept and hold them off to one side for a separate brief to be held after the fast, intermediates and 'just out for a ride people' have all left.
That should leave a much smaller more manageable and like minded group ready to go with out the confusion of who's who and where the heck did everyone go.
Then do something like buddy those who are left up so that you know who you are following, that the rest of us are are going to the one destination and that the person you are following knows you are there to keep an eye on.
This last group would get away from the car park a good 5 or 10 minutes after the others so will have no one cutting them up and when we arrive at the destination all the queues for food etc will be gone.
The initial meeting at BK will be just as social as ever, the destination will be just as social as ever but the ride for this smaller group should feel much more organised and probably more satisfying for those who'd really like to put the cruise and learner friendly back in to Wednesday. Yes I'd be one of them.

[Blackbox]

...but it's hard for some guys to want to offer advice to other riders, when all the get is flack for trying to help.

True. I've noticed a few things, but since I'm relatively new I haven't said anything. For the record, if anyone spots anything they think I could improve on... please let me know! I'm on the silver SV650.

[Blackbox]

What if we gather those that want to ride in the manner of the original learner friendly concept and hold them off to one side for a separate brief to be held after the fast, intermediates and 'just out for a ride people' have all left...

Excellent idea. My son is buying his first bike tonight, and will soon be along on these evening rides... this would be excellent for him and others just getting into things.

[mj_scorpio]

Ok folks I am actually that concerned I have already stated I will be making up a first aid kit for the bike in the form of a tank bag, any donations towards its contents would be appreciated, but that is not what this post is about..........
I need numbers folks.

Link to thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1836670#post1836670)

I would be interested :) deffinately some useful skills i wouldn't mind learning!

[McWild]

El Stevo mentioned about the track.
Somebody wanna tell me about how it works? I've done some research via google in the past but it hasn't actually explained when the track is open, where it is (ruapuna), or... anything.
Been interested in paying it a visit for a while but yeah, obvious obstacles.
If anyone wants to contribute via PM, profile, or this thread I'd greatly appreciate it. If anyone's keen to go there at the same time that'd be awesome too but not too worried. Cheers.

[Ducky848]

El Stevo mentioned about the track.
Somebody wanna tell me about how it works? I've done some research via google in the past but it hasn't actually explained when the track is open, where it is (ruapuna), or... anything.
Been interested in paying it a visit for a while but yeah, obvious obstacles.
If anyone wants to contribute via PM, profile, or this thread I'd greatly appreciate it. If anyone's keen to go there at the same time that'd be awesome too but not too worried. Cheers.

PM me dude, I am heading out to track this Tuesday morning, I will fill you in.

[dangerous]

iwe are not all the most experianced riders, but surely if we have a little bit more experience that we can share to someone else who doesnt, that will benefit them. but, isn't better for more inexperinced riders to have that choice.

I hope you arnt talking about ya self... cos your group (SGC) is a good example of people that shouldent be offering advice.



None of us go out on purpose to crash, or to upset another person's night.
sorry thats CRAP, passing two bikes at speed on a short piece of road while a car was oncomming IS ON PURPOSE as far as Im concerned.



And in that lies the problem mate, if you and Izzy could at some point, (and I know this will be difficult, (p/t)), could slow down and ride towards the back, see what guys are doing, then offer help with lines, control etc then we would be all be better off.
YA JOKING RIGHT? I have seen Walkers riding and it aint good, hes arsed up ho many times in the last 18months?

All the likes of them riders will do is pass on BAD HABBITS

yes harsh but you all know Im to the point

[JWALKER]

when was the last time you actually rode with me D?, i have actually not a accident, due to my riding in quite awhile. ask the guys who have ridden with me and they will vouch i have approved quite alot.
why don't you offer some hel;p to people?.

S.G.C, what has that got anything to do with?, when was the last time you rode with israel or myself?. atleast i am offering to help

[dangerous]

I am a strong believer that people should only take advice from someone they know and trust, a lot of advice that gets given comes from people that shouldn't be giving it...

If people are serious about increasing their skills then:

1) go to the track (Tuesdays and Fridays are best)
2) spend more time riding - practice makes perfect
or 3) spend some one on one time with a trusted rider, groups of novices are not the best place to learn.

Another thing that bothers me about this ride is all the focus on new riders and 'forcing ones infinate wisdom' onto them. IT'S NOT THE NEW RIDERS THAT ARE COMING TO GRIEF!

*steps down from soapbox*
Mate... the boldered and 1-3 is good thinking/advice, I like...
And from every acco I have seen on the WNR it has been a roocky/new rider that has fucked up, this dosnt mean a old bastard like me cant fuck up, but thats not what we are talking about. Last nights rider altho he owned a Busa (writen off I believe) was a rockie.


Excellent idea. My son is buying his first bike tonight, and will soon be along on these evening rides... this would be excellent for him and others just getting into things. Sorry no it wouldent IMHO be a good idea for him to attend these rides at all, problem is the young get carried away... its not this simple.



True. I've noticed a few things, but since I'm relatively new I haven't said anything. For the record, if anyone spots anything they think I could improve on... please let me know! I'm on the silver SV650.
Just ask in person, I like your sort of attude


El Stevo mentioned about the track.
Somebody wanna tell me about how it works? I've done some research via google in the past but it hasn't actually explained when the track is open, where it is (ruapuna), or... anything.
Been interested in paying it a visit for a while but yeah, obvious obstacles.
If anyone wants to contribute via PM, profile, or this thread I'd greatly appreciate it. If anyone's keen to go there at the same time that'd be awesome too but not too worried. Cheers.

I am a frequent racer at Ruapuna, your bike is perfect for a training class that can then bump you up to street stock.

[fireliv]

Ok folks I am actually that concerned I have already stated I will be making up a first aid kit for the bike in the form of a tank bag, any donations towards its contents would be appreciated, but that is not what this post is about.

I ]

I'll be in for this, Just let us know when and how we can get money to you


I think more the point here is that some of the 'faster' (yeah go on... shoot me for saying it!) riders don't wan't to hang back. Thats why they group together and have a ride with each other. I like to meet socially at BK but I have no interest in playing 'riding instructer' to strangers.

Another thing that bothers me about this ride is all the focus on new riders and 'forcing ones infinate wisdom' onto them. IT'S NOT THE NEW RIDERS THAT ARE COMING TO GRIEF!

*steps down from soapbox*

Agreed Steve. I think that it is great that you head off and take your own route. As you say, it has not been the new riders coming to grief, its the guys/girls that think they are the next Rossi or whatever, that are going to fast and think they are all that that.

But remember if someone crashes while doing the Akaroa GP as part of the wed ride, and the Police ask about the group, and someone says how its a weds ride organised on KB Blah Blah Blah, and they go looking for someone to blame, then that someone is going Phoenix, who more than likely wouldnt be with you. It will tarnish all those on the ride, whether they be fast or slow, so its ruined for everyone. Hence my suggestion of shifting the fast crew to another date so that they are not associated withe the CRUIZY wed ride that got shot down.


A thought from me.
What if we gather those that want to ride in the manner of the original learner friendly concept and hold them off to one side for a separate brief to be held after the fast, intermediates and 'just out for a ride people' have all left.
That should leave a much smaller more manageable and like minded group ready to go with out the confusion of who's who and where the heck did everyone go.
Then do something like buddy those who are left up so that you know who you are following, that the rest of us are are going to the one destination and that the person you are following knows you are there to keep an eye on.
This last group would get away from the car park a good 5 or 10 minutes after the others so will have no one cutting them up and when we arrive at the destination all the queues for food etc will be gone.
The initial meeting at BK will be just as social as ever, the destination will be just as social as ever but the ride for this smaller group should feel much more organised and probably more satisfying for those who'd really like to put the cruise and learner friendly back in to Wednesday. Yes I'd be one of them.

SOunds like a great idea TA, I know you taught me so much last year and would be great at working with a slow group.

[alley cat]

why don't you offer some hel;p to people?.



Without stirring the pot, D's advice is one of the very few i take on board. He and Rashika have weaned me off a few of my worst habits.
So advice is out there kids.:niceone:

[Bren_chch]

Actually Dangerous, i've noticed that Jwalkers riding has improved greatly since the last time I've seen him on the road and that was about 1 year ago.

:)

There will always be crash's, it dont matter how many times you say ride at your own pace, or ride safely. In on ear and out the other! Its a shame but its a fact!

Its not worth repeating yourself Dangerous, i know you mean well but nothing will ever change. when you have a large group as we do here accidents will always be a factor.

Its just how she goes boys, its just how she goes!!

I aint been riding long compared to most of you here but something i learnt fast is that, it dont mater what you say at the start of a ride, as soon as ya get going... all that was said is out the door! Saying that i dont mind offering advise, i dont have as much experience as some on here but i've come a long way in a short time so i must have taken some advise on board. :laugh:

we all know who the nutters are out there, so just be wary and dont follow to close and dont get sucked along with them when they go pass, dont follow thier bad habbits! :done:

[dangerous]

when was the last time you actually rode with me D?, i have actually not a accident, due to my riding in quite awhile. ask the guys who have ridden with me and they will vouch i have approved quite alot.
why don't you offer some hel;p to people?.

S.G.C, what has that got anything to do with?, when was the last time you rode with israel or myself?. atleast i am offering to help

not for a while and I am not interested, how ever if you have the balls to ask me to ride with you I will, its not just about riding ability its also about... MATURITY

I put SGC in () because I wast refering to all the guys that you ride with, some I saw with you last night wouldnt give a shit about what ever weird secret relgio gang you run... neither do I for that matter

I dont offer but am willing to help those that ask, but 1st I like to see there attude and reason for wanting to improve... I am rider/bike pro active.

[JWALKER]

Without stirring the pot, D's advice is one of the very few i take on board. He and Rashika have weaned me off a few of my worst habits.
So advice is out there kids.:niceone:

okay, point taken alley. alright the. DANGEROUS, would you help me with my lines and approve my riding skills?

[Trudes]

Why don't you guys have seperate rides like we do here in Welly? Wednesday night is the Cruisey ride where newer riders are welcomed and helped to learn how to ride in a group and know there will be experienced folk to help if they need it (as much as there's been some bitching about behaviour etc in that thread also, it has mainly come from people who have not been attending the rides and only commenting on what they read on KB, not so much from attendees) and Thursday night is for the faster riders who want to go for a fang as a semi-group and still have the social side of talking shit afterwards etc. Just an idea, may help, may not.

[JWALKER]

[QUOTE=dangerous;1837300]
I put SGC in () because I wast refering to all the guys that you ride with, some I saw with you last night wouldnt give a shit about what ever weird secret relgio gang you run... neither do I for that matter

QUOTE]

SGC has got nothing to do with religion and me being a christian is my own personal choice and i do not preach to anyone about or shove down their throat

[chanceyy]

been watching comments in both welly & canterburys cruisy ride threads over the last few weeks with a bit of interest. Common denominators in both threads on the exact same subject, funnily enough both started around the same time.

Not having attended either welly or canterbury's rides, but just find it interesting that both appear to be having same issues/discussions

Concerns always when someone crashes on what should be a laid back kinda ride though

[alley cat]

Why don't you guys have seperate rides like we do here in Welly?

Hee hee, every time i see frodo havin a wank it cracks me up.:lol:

[Trudes]

Hee hee, every time i see frodo havin a wank it cracks me up.:lol:

Can't bling ya, so will say it here: Glad you like it! :)

[alley cat]

opps, i mean getn a blow.
:rolleyes:
Sorry off topic.

[dangerous]

Actually Dangerous, i've noticed that Jwalkers riding has improved greatly since the last time I've seen him on the road and that was about 1 year ago.

:)

There will always be crash's, it dont matter how many times you say ride at your own pace, or ride safely. In on ear and out the other! Its a shame but its a fact!

Its not worth repeating yourself Dangerous, i know you mean well but nothing will ever change. when you have a large group as we do here accidents will always be a factor.

Its just how she goes boys, its just how she goes!!

I aint been riding long compared to most of you here but something i learnt fast is that, it dont mater what you say at the start of a ride, as soon as ya get going... all that was said is out the door! Saying that i dont mind offering advise, i dont have as much experience as some on here but i've come a long way in a short time so i must have taken some advise on board. :laugh:

we all know who the nutters are out there, so just be wary and dont follow to close and dont get sucked along with them when they go pass, dont follow thier bad habbits! :done:

Notted re: Walkers riding to date.

THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CRASHS at all, it is not expected and it is not nessary, but yes I hear what you are saying... and you as a late beginer at riding are an expection, you are a rear natural, and who put you on the right line and let you perfect yourself? ;)


okay, point taken alley. alright the. DANGEROUS, would you help me with my lines and approve my riding skills?
No preaching warlock shit to me tho aye (PT incase people dont relise)

OK people I will quit here un less quoted as I dont want to come across as "the bastard' ie: shit stirer, a lot of what I say I mean the rest is toung in check.

[Transalper]

Why don't you guys have seperate rides like we do here in Welly? .....
Tried that suggestion already and the majority jumped up and down and trashed it.

[JWALKER]

Notted re: Walkers riding to date.

THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CRASHS at all, it is not expected and it is not nessary, but yes I hear what you are saying... and you as a late beginer at riding are an expection, you are a rear natural, and who put you on the right line and let you perfect yourself? ;)


No preaching warlock shit to me tho aye (PT incase people dont relise)

OK people I will quit here un less quoted as I dont want to come across as "the bastard' ie: shit stirer, a lot of what I say I mean the rest is toung in check.

i really wish you would stop calling me a warlock, i have nothing to do with that and find it quite offensive

[Trudes]

Tried that suggestion already and the majority jumped up and down and trashed it.

Really? That's strange to me as the ones here seem to work very well. The folks that want to just ride their bikes however go to the Thursday ride and the ones who are willing to help newer riders or just go for a 'cruise', and the newer riders go to the Wednesday ride, the two don't tend to mix too much so the wide varieties of riders don't get entangled with each others agenda. Any idea why the idea was poo pooed?

[dangerous]

i really wish you would stop calling me a warlock, i have nothing to do with that and find it quite offensive

PT = PISS TAKE altho you and I both know you ''were''/are a self confessed warlock... now nuff said Mr W lets get back on bloody topic

[JWALKER]

PT = PISS TAKE altho you and I both know you ''were''/are a self confessed warlock... now nuff said Mr W lets get back on bloody topic

fair enough:rockon:

[fireliv]

[QUOTE=dangerous;1837282] Sorry no it wouldent IMHO be a good idea for him to attend these rides at all, problem is the young get carried away... its not this simple.
QUOTE]

I'm all for learning from someone you trust. But, like me when I started, having just moved to Christchurch I knew noone. I didnt know who was good or bad, etc. Phoenix wasnt the teacher for me, so if it wasnt for the wed night ride, and meeting JM, TA & WOFman (My 3 wise men) I would probably have not continued riding. So for me these rides have been essential.

I know I have been given good and bad advice over the years but I guess I have been mature enough to work out what was good and bad, and where I sit in the group in terms of ability. I guess maybe its because I'm older.......

[Wet]

Shit stirring or not it's bloody classic watching you guys slap it out.What a load of petty shit.

Get some perspective.

[dangerous]

[QUOTE=dangerous;1837282] Sorry no it wouldent I'm all for learning from someone you trust. But, like me when I started, having just moved to Christchurch I knew noone. I didnt know who was good or bad, etc. Phoenix wasnt the teacher for me, so if it wasnt for the wed night ride, and meeting JM, TA & WOFman (My 3 wise men) I would probably have not continued riding. So for me these rides have been essential.

I know I have been given good and bad advice over the years but I know guess I have been mature enough to work out what was good and bad, adn where I sit in thr group in terms of ability. I guess maybe its because I'm older.......

sorry... I tend to generlise, when you started riding the WNR it was a small well tamed group, like all things it has evolved

[Ghost_Bullet]

First time out this year, and what a mighty turnout.
Sure not a bad thing at all, the more the merrier.

Sadly did not end all that merry.

Most has been said, and there are great confident riders out there that know there stuff. I have learnt so much myself from following others.
This whole ride comes down to respect of others and having a good ride. Not racing or riding in an erratic manner like no tomorrow and increasing the likely hood of ya mates coming round the corner to find in a not so good state.
If you want to racer ride do it on your own time and not on this ride, because as has happened, and if the acco's continue, they will eventually kill what was once a good way to get out and meet like minded people.

[Transalper]

..... Any idea why the idea was poo pooed?Mostly this one sums it up...


I like the social thing, I lead for 2 reasons: 1) No bugger can sort themselves out so I get impatient and go anyway and 2) I don't like passing through a slower pack of riders and leaving first avoids that.

Mrs El Stevo (being one of the slower ones) doesn't want to see a split to 2 days because even if we seperate on the road we meet up at the destination, and she also enjoys catching up with people that mostly fall into the 'fast' group.



I agree, I like to have a catch up at the start too, thats why I get there early. Even if the 'fast guys' ride on a different night you'll then have problems with the 'next fastest' group. I treat it as a social thing and I believe it will naturally split into groups of equal abilitys.



Ha ha, I love that term :clap:



Anyway, to summerise I think there should be more focus on the social aspect and less concern about riders ability, there will always be someone faster and someone slower than any given rider.

You don't see the faster riders asking the slower ones to ride on a different night do you?:done:

I could be wrong but I think the idea of splitting in to two nights was raised and squashed last year too.
Personally i like the idea, then I could go on both.
Next best thing I reckon is proper staggered departures so the laid back lot don't get confused and mixed with the rest.

[Bren_chch]

Shit stirring or not it's bloody classic watching you guys slap it out.What a load of petty shit.

Get some perspective.

Hmmm i wouldnt call it petty. there are some valid points about people safty, whats petty about that?

Share your perspective so we may be wiser. :)

[timg]

A thought from me.
What if we gather those that want to ride in the manner of the original learner friendly concept and hold them off to one side for a separate brief to be held after the fast, intermediates and 'just out for a ride people' have all left.
That should leave a much smaller more manageable and like minded group ready to go with out the confusion of who's who and where the heck did everyone go.
Then do something like buddy those who are left up so that you know who you are following, that the rest of us are are going to the one destination and that the person you are following knows you are there to keep an eye on.
This last group would get away from the car park a good 5 or 10 minutes after the others so will have no one cutting them up and when we arrive at the destination all the queues for food etc will be gone.
The initial meeting at BK will be just as social as ever, the destination will be just as social as ever but the ride for this smaller group should feel much more organised and probably more satisfying for those who'd really like to put the cruise and learner friendly back in to Wednesday. Yes I'd be one of them.

Sounds good to me TA or better still splitting the days Cruisy Wednesday as it initially started, and another day for those that don't wanna cruise. When we moved to Chch I looked forward to being able to catch some of these rides but I came home last night intending to give these rides a miss in the future. :angry2: If something doesn't change I won't be back. I enjoy the company and a casual ride but I don't need this sort of shit. As I watched the prang unfold I was sure he was going to take out either HOT or the car. He was dead set on passing HOT at any cost going like a rocket and bugger anybody else. The real dumb bit is I don't do quick & HOT was riding to my speed - if he'd picked his time he could have safely flicked past us without any drama. Shit I make room when I see somebody comming up on my back wheel. When Dangerous & I went over the bank looking for him I was sure we were looking for a body. I can't believe he survived and none of it needed to happen, it was just dumb shit idiot riding, and there's been some of that on each of these rides I've been on except for our 'adventure' version a couple of weeks ago with Coonyr. This is intended to be a cruisy ride, those looking for something else should look/go elsewhere. Fit in or fuk off :angry2: Cheers.

[dangerous]

When Dangerous & I went over the bank looking for him I was sure we were looking for a body. I can't believe he survived and none of it needed to happen, it was just dumb shit idiot riding, and there's been some of that on each of these rides I've been on except for our 'adventure' version a couple of weeks ago with Coonyr. This is intended to be a cruisy ride, those looking for something else should look/go elsewhere. Fit in or fuk off :angry2: Cheers.
WOW... never knew you had that in ya Timmie :apint:

Hey look, J the meronic, Trans the alper, Phinix the Grand Tourer ARRR... its bloody awesome to see the effort you guys put in it really is, however... ya flogging a dead horse this being why I stoped atending the WNR's last year.
What starts of a great idea will always grow, my running the BMRC is a example, I have tripled members now we have such a huge field in F4 that there is saftey issues etc on the track... the WNR is the same, the words out, people will continue to come and the pack will get bigger... and somewere along the way the hole idea of the WNR is lost.

My opion, contact off line txt or p/m up a ride were newer riders want to patisapate, keep it small and shit will work out and people will benifit, sorry bout putting the kibosh on the hole WNR idea.



Shit stirring or not it's bloody classic watching you guys slap it out.What a load of petty shit.

Get some perspective.

*OHHHHHHHHHhhhhh GOD... its a KB greenie, man you got a lot to learn... guys... GET EMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmm


* this is a typical reply taking the piss, there is no perspective its the internet, BrenCHCH sums it up bloody well.

[Wet]

Haha, come on guys lets get em, nice comment. What a joke.
Flash angle after blowing your horn about giving advice and helping others.

[dangerous]

Haha, come on guys lets get em, nice comment. What a joke.
Flash angle after blowing your horn about giving advice and helping others.

na... Im not with ya man... ya need to speak a tad slower with this old ginger nut :scratch:

[Wet]

Hmmm i wouldnt call it petty. there are some valid points about people safty, whats petty about that?

Share your perspective so we may be wiser. :)
Granted there are some EXECELLENT safety points being mentioned, no shortage of those but was amused at the numerous comments off that topic.
Anyway have fun getting it out there.

[_Shrek_]

Well said Tim :clap: :2thumbsup:

you dumb arses need to take note of what timg said he rides like a nana thats coz thats the way he is, I personaly enjoy riding with him coz I acturaly get to see the sights & the company is great glad to see no one else was hurt
I will be going Thursday's from now on as it fits in with my family & work,

(I'm glad I took my kids fishing last night)

[El Stevo]

But remember if someone crashes while doing the Akaroa GP as part of the wed ride, and the Police ask about the group, and someone says how its a weds ride organised on KB Blah Blah Blah, and they go looking for someone to blame, then that someone is going Phoenix, who more than likely wouldnt be with you. It will tarnish all those on the ride, whether they be fast or slow, so its ruined for everyone. Hence my suggestion of shifting the fast crew to another date so that they are not associated withe the CRUIZY wed ride that got shot down.

No offence intended FL but thats a load of crap, the WNR's orginise themselves. The only thing linking Phoenix to them is the first post on a public forum. Yes I know he may have innitiated them origionally but I hardly see how that can end him up being prosicuted for someone elses cock-up. Hell, they only need to browse this thread to see it's not a race!
Again, just making a point. Please don't be offended...;)

[dangerous]

No offence intended FL but thats a load of crap, the WNR's orginise themselves. The only thing linking Phoenix to them is the first post on a public forum. Yes I know he may have innitiated them origionally but I hardly see how that can end him up being prosicuted for someone elses cock-up. Hell, they only need to browse this thread to see it's not a race!
Again, just making a point. Please don't be offended...;)

the simple fact the 'he' stands there and breiefs the riders with the intended rout, that makes him an organiser... now remember when the coppers get a bee in their bonit and they will if there is a death just like the Akaroa cycle race... they will want and they will get some poor buggers balls in a sling.

[stevewederell]

Well those last few pages have been a real :girlfight:. Quite funny seeing the bites but more unfortunate that there's the prob in first place...guess that's life and people.

As far as the WNR's go, I've never been. My reasoning to date is my lack of knowledge roads and severe lack of skill in riding especially in low light.

I have found on the few group rides I've done that at the back is for me. I got caught in the front group once but let my ego keep me there rather than falling back to a safe place. I know there are a million posts here saying ride to your limits...please bash me if I look like I'm pushing it.

Big :2thumbsup to Dangerous on the Magpie ride down. I felt very happy in my little group and impressed with the stops to check all were rubber side down and would happily tag (at the rear) along any rides he leads or has a part of.

I'll stay out of the politics and shit fight and just ride my own ride. If the WNR's look like they would suit my level I would love to come along and meet the rest of this crazy crew

Enough babble, ride safe everyone:hug: Oh, an honest cheers to Phoenix for his effort with the WNR's too

[fireliv]

No offence intended FL but thats a load of crap, the WNR's orginise themselves. The only thing linking Phoenix to them is the first post on a public forum. Yes I know he may have innitiated them origionally but I hardly see how that can end him up being prosicuted for someone elses cock-up. Hell, they only need to browse this thread to see it's not a race!
Again, just making a point. Please don't be offended...;)

No offence taken Steve. But if it happened as dangerous says, and my fiance is prosecuted for something that is not his fault, the person who caused the problem better heal so I can deal to them myself and make the rest of their life a living hell. :calm:

Well I intend on still riding on weds. In fact I think I rode better after the accident. Just more aware I guess.

[dangerous]

Big :2thumbsup to Dangerous on the Magpie ride down. I felt very happy in my little group and impressed with the stops to check all were rubber side down and would happily tag (at the rear) along any rides he leads or has a part of.
The KB rally and Woodstock are next, welcome to join us, the ride there will be just as relaxed and enjoyable as the Magpie.

[stevewederell]

The KB rally and Woodstock are next, welcome to join us, the ride there will be just as relaxed and enjoyable as the Magpie.

Mate already signed up for KB bash and made sure Woodstock weekend is free,

really need to get my lovely lady back into bikes...anyone have a spare 4K for us?

[cooneyr]

....... As I watched the prang unfold I was sure he was going to take out either HOT or the car. He was dead set on passing HOT at any cost going like a rocket and bugger anybody else. .....

I recon this (words in bold) is a key point. Many need to remember that when, not if, something goes wrong cause of their attitude/actions, it had far wider reaching impacts than just the pain they cause themselves. Personal responsibility and respect for others are extremely undervalued virtues these days.

I agree with TA, either split into two separate nights or have two distinct and separate leaving times. Cause of the social aspect of this ride I'd suggest that the latter is the most appropriate idea.

A serious suggestion, picking up on an earlier comment, see if the two wheeled coppers are interested in joining in on the ride. I'm sure they would be more than happy to pass on some advice and ya never know they might collect a bit of revenue for up keep of the roads. If people dont like it then those people should seriously think about why the ride on the Wednesday Evening Cruises.

There is no need nor reason for this sort of shit to happen. Those with maturity and experiance should not tolerate this sort of shit. It this means being blunt, so be it as it is the only way to get though to some people. I'm all for the "Dangerouse" approach when necessary.

Cheers R

[Trumpess]

Big :2thumbsup to Dangerous on the Magpie ride down. I felt very happy in my little group and impressed with the stops to check all were rubber side down and would happily tag (at the rear) along any rides he leads or has a part of.



Can I agree too?
That was an excellently planned and paced ride. Im looking forward to the Woodstock ride now.

Kids and a shift worker hubby prevents me attending the WNRs.
But what I have read of late in regards to them, its like they not much fun and a bit intimidating. Unfortunately, the larger the group, the harder to please, and there is always someone who knows right regardless.

I get my kicks with riding with some of the ChCh girls at a lesurley pace during the week, like tomorrow - the 3 gorges. Less traffic. Less presure.

[SpeedMonger]

you are a rear natural

Hmm this has serious connotations, I hope for your sake that your aren't.:buggerd:

Keep hearing this word ability, meaning what - Able to ride fast? Able to ride safely? A combination of both is what does it for me. Fast enough to get a thrill but safe enough that I will get home in one piece. But sometimes you have to push limits, and that is part of how we learn. Following competent riders is part of that process and should be encouraged. It has certainly helped me get back in the groove fairly quickly.

Staggering the rides into bike genres or cc ratings and a learners class makes sense, there is nothing more tedious than following someone who rides at a slower pace than you do, because you not only have to concentrate on the road but also the rider in front of you - because they are unpredictable in comparison to how you would react in the same situation.

Unrelated to the Incident (not accident as it was preventable), but something I have noticed on the WNR's is that leisurely riders should be aware of who / what is behind them, and not go out of their way to become obstacles. If someone catches up to you it generally means that they travel quicker than you do

Forgot what the point of this post was - just wanted to contribute :wari:

[Dave-]

I wonder if a 2 wheeled cop would actually come...I think we should ask anyway.

I think the current plan works fine, fast group leaves, then the slow group, sure we've had 2 accidents that didn't need to happen, but you can hardly blame the time the groups leaving as a cause, this isn't chaos theory, it's just a ride, things happen there's only so much you can plan for, if we ride in any formation something will eventually go wrong and then we'll be back at square one.

one thing you can blame is the numbers of people, but thats just simple probability, if you shoot enough bullets at a target sooner or later you will hit it, if you send enough bikes around the hills sooner or later one will crash.

I think things such as the first aid kit are a fantastic idea, I'll be putting something into that, I DO NOT think the wednesday night ride is the best place to learn, but it is the best place to meet people to talk to about learning, Bren, Dangerous, Lemans, Jmemonic, wofman, izzy, have all spoken to me, talked me through things, taught me things, and if it hadn't have been for the wednesday night ride, or even KB I'd never have met any of them, fuck I'd probably still be trying to get around corners without leaning on the 150 if it hadn't been for these people.

I met spuds1234 through wednesday night rides and he's my flatmate now!...and a drunk one at that.

but because they've all helped me out I'll be riding far into old age (not that you chaps are old or anything) helping out the youngins when it's my turn, sure I might have to help some fucktard who stuffed up the top corner of dyers pass, or did something wrong in latimar square, but I'll think back and remember how I was helped when I was young.

damn I thought up a real good concluding paragraph but forgot it....

so, where are we off to next week?

[gammaguy]

i intend to continue coming on the rides when i can,as i enjoy the rides and meeting the people who so far have all been great.i purposely brought my 125 this week because i dont want to ride fast,am just happy doing 100-110 kms an hour(round corners as well though:rolleyes:)ive done plenty of racing on racetracks,i have nothing to prove at all.

i think the novice riders get pretty freaked out by some faster riders carving them up,such as seems to be the case in this weeks crash.personally i think those inconsiderate riders should take a long hard look at themselves,and preferably not come back unless they are going to ride with consideration for others.i have no problem riding wheel to wheel with other riders-on a race track-not the road.thats what trackdays are for.

having said all that if the "fast"guys want to race on ahead,go for it,(sometimes i might decide to come too on the RG)just keep out of the way of those who prefer to ride slower.

its all about respect for others IMHO.:Playnice:

[Spuds1234]

I met spuds1234 through wednesday night rides and he's my flatmate now!...and a drunk one at that.

Wasnt drunk, just getting to the point were I could really go for a B+E pie.

Anyone keen for a Jacksons run on the 10th? I'll be heading to the coast that day and will more than likely be stopping at Jacksons towards the end of the ride.

[Tacoman]

what happened to the other group?

we got to duvachelle no worries, and were told that the wheat sheaf was deserted?

I figured you guys had carried on to diamond harbor?

cheers izzy for putting up with me ^_^

helen, i saw your friend alex (the dude on the aprilia) at duvachelle real quick

No worries bud, your doing great, ur riding its improving heaps so its a matter of practise we can do the same again anytime no worries :2thumbsup

[Tacoman]

Jeff I am sure that your input plus that of others is appreciated but those who you help out, and sure you point out you might not be the most experienced of us but there are still skills you can pass on, basics that can be practiced are the best.





And in that lies the problem mate, if you and Izzy could at some point, (and I know this will be difficult, (p/t)), could slow down and ride towards the back, see what guys are doing, then offer help with lines, control etc then we would be all be better off.

yea bud for sure happy to watch people on the background, last wednesday we took of earlier as I was watching Dave he was doing great, pointers thats all I am far from consider myself an experience rider. Still lots to learn and to put into practise!! :beer:

[phoenixgtr]

I met spuds1234 through wednesday night rides and he's my flatmate now!...and a drunk one at that.



Bwaaaahahahahaaa!!! (Maniacal laughter). (Seriously though, this makes me smile. If I haven't helped people with their riding, I've at least helped bring people together).

The main reason for staggering leaving times would be to help reduce confusion at the carpark. The fast guys can leave earlier. They know where they're going. They don't need anyone to hold their hand. I'd like to see them leave by 6.20. Straight away that leaves us with a more manageable group to organise. If you haven't left with the fast guys then you're cruising with the rest of us or buggering off. From there we'll ask if anyone wants some help with their riding and who'd like to offer that help. Even if it's just following that person then it's something. We need to go back to properly establishing a tail end charlie too.

This is important: If you want to hoon then go to Duvauchelles with the fast guys. If the fast guys intimidate you too much then don't come at all!! It's pretty simple.

I realise that shit happens but it's not only been the crashes that have made these rides less enjoyable of late. I want to go back to looking forward to my Wednesdays.

[Ducky848]

This is important: If you want to hoon then go to Duvauchelles with the fast guys. If the fast guys intimidate you too much then don't come at all!! It's pretty simple.

I realise that shit happens but it's not only been the crashes that have made these rides less enjoyable of late. I want to go back to looking forward to my Wednesdays.


Works for me.
Although I've only been able to attend 3 of these rides each one has been bloody great, personally I am looking forward to more Wednesdays!
Cheers all!

[Qkchk]

Too many chiefs and not enough indians.

[MIZXR]

Unrelated to the Incident (not accident as it was preventable), but something I have noticed on the WNR's is that leisurely riders should be aware of who / what is behind them, and not go out of their way to become obstacles. If someone catches up to you it generally means that they travel quicker than you do


this is true. Sometimes u think they have seen you and will pull to the side or stay constant with their speed after you catch up but you find that they suddenly think they can go fast down the straight as you try to pass. When you start to pull out often you think the pass will be safe only to find out too late they decide to be a hero and race instead of letting you go past.Yes it may have been stupid place to pass but shit happens people misjudge things sometimes and get caught out.

Without being there at the time it is a reasonable length straight so a pass could be easily achieved on that straight.

No harm letting someone who has caught you up go it saves stupid shite from happening.

[El Stevo]

Pop down to the plod shop and see if you can't convince one of them to bring their BMW along each week. If nothing else you'll have a direct line to the comms room should the worst happen again.



A serious suggestion, picking up on an earlier comment, see if the two wheeled coppers are interested in joining in on the ride. I'm sure they would be more than happy to pass on some advice and ya never know they might collect a bit of revenue for up keep of the roads.



I wonder if a 2 wheeled cop would actually come...I think we should ask anyway.



ARE YOU GUYS MENTAL?!:weird: Don't get me wrong, I'm all for curtesy and not crashing etc. but why would you invite wolves into a pack of sheep?:stupid:

Lesson number one - Know your enemy!:nono::oi-grr:

[Richi]

ARE YOU GUYS MENTAL?! Don't get me wrong, I'm all for curtesy and not crashing etc. but why would you invite wolves into a pack of sheep?

Lesson number one - Know your enemy!

Yea better make sure all the learners have their Luney plates and stay under 70 :crybaby:

[Dave-]

ARE YOU GUYS MENTAL?!:weird: Don't get me wrong, I'm all for curtesy and not crashing etc. but why would you invite wolves into a pack of sheep?:stupid:

Lesson number one - Know your enemy!:nono::oi-grr:

taking the piss?

I mean speeding tickets serve a purpose, sometimes more than others, but I think the good cops do out weighs the bad....just.

I'd be interested to have a cop along, there's a few questions I'd have for him/her.

and it'd be 1 wolf in a flock of 40 sheeple, we could out number him/her easy.

[Casualty]

this is true. Sometimes u think they have seen you and will pull to the side or stay constant with their speed after you catch up but you find that they suddenly think they can go fast down the straight as you try to pass. When you start to pull out often you think the pass will be safe only to find out too late they decide to be a hero and race instead of letting you go past. Part of what could have happened on Wed from the sounds of it. yes it may have been stupid place to pass but shit happens people misjudge things sometimes and get caught out.

Without being there at the time it is a reasonable length straight so a pass could be easily achieved on that straight.

No harm letting someone who has caught you up go it saves stupid shite from happening.Get a fucking clue.

Anyone who has ridden with either Helen or Tim (the 2 riders he was trying to pass) for half a minute will tell you that there is no way in hell that either of them were trying to "be a hero."

You need to really consider how what you write can be interpreted, and how incredibly insulting and inappropriate it is to suggest that Helen or Tim caused that crash.

You weren't there, you didn't see the crash, you have no reason at all to make the above comments.

Have fun all of you on Wednesday night rides, Helen and I won't be along for a while.

[imdying]

ARE YOU GUYS MENTAL?!:weird: Don't get me wrong, I'm all for curtesy and not crashing etc. but why would you invite wolves into a pack of sheep?:stupid:

Lesson number one - Know your enemy!:nono::oi-grr:Enemy? :confused:

Wolves and sheep? :confused:

At least one of them is already riding the CWNR with you anyway, at least this way you'd know which one it was ;)

[JMemonic]

Have fun all of you on Wednesday night rides, Helen and I won't be along for a while.

Sorry to hear that, you guys know how to get in touch, I would hate to lose contact.

I will keep going for a while but I figure it will only take one more incident to stop me, my other half actually has been saying to me go, after this week she is seriously reconsidering that, shame really as I was looking forward to her getting her licence and coming along.

[El Stevo]

At least one of them is already riding the CWNR with you anyway, at least this way you'd know which one it was ;)

Come forth and show yourself evil demon...:devil2::Police::devil2:

[JMemonic]

Enemy? :confused:

Wolves and sheep? :confused:

At least one of them is already riding the CWNR with you anyway, at least this way you'd know which one it was ;)

Lol I was thinking the same, not sure who but I have an idea, I could be way off base though.

[Tacoman]

taking the piss?

I mean speeding tickets serve a purpose, sometimes more than others, but I think the good cops do out weighs the bad....just.

I'd be interested to have a cop along, there's a few questions I'd have for him/her.

and it'd be 1 wolf in a flock of 40 sheeple, we could out number him/her easy.

the cops were at track day dude! I actually got a photo on their bikes as we were talking about two way radio crap. The Best way to talk to them or ask for advise is at track days !!! :rockon:

[helenoftroy]

this is true. Sometimes u think they have seen you and will pull to the side or stay constant with their speed after you catch up but you find that they suddenly think they can go fast down the straight as you try to pass. When you start to pull out often you think the pass will be safe only to find out too late they decide to be a hero and race instead of letting you go past. Part of what could have happened on Wed from the sounds of it. yes it may have been stupid place to pass but shit happens people misjudge things sometimes and get caught out.

Without being there at the time it is a reasonable length straight so a pass could be easily achieved on that straight.

No harm letting someone who has caught you up go it saves stupid shite from happening.
You are talking about me
No that is not what happened
Geordie wants someone to blame??he should try himself
I cannot believe that I am being blamed for having a part in this accident
You are so wrong
Im done