Next BIG Protest with StoneY and the Unions

Published on 25th January 2010 10:44

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Ok everyone
I have had a few people mention there is no defined thread for the NEXT PROTEST

I have sevreal Unions on board for a big march on Parliament, and the wheels are starting to roll
Dates set for 16th February, at this point its a logical date as the Corrections Union are having a march the week before, and some other group have one the week after so we get a finite window of oppotunity to pull this off.

I have requested permission from the Speaker to enter the grounds en-masse on 16th February.

This is about more than just Bikers but we want to have a strong presence there.

I need about 3-400 bikers to attend on the day and make a visible presence at the front of the house, but this time speakers will all be Unionists and Academics and other disafeccted groups (is that the right term?)

Its gonna take some work to pull it off again, and I am hoping we get the same support we got last time for the BIKEOI, but wont hold my breath.

Anyone keen to help, PM me
And I aint talking about handing out fliers, I mean WORK and responsibility for some of the organisation...(nearly killed myself the last time with exhaustion.)

This iwll be along the same lines as the BIKEOI, peacefull but a strong message
Want loads of signs, banners, and a good chant, one I think we have heard before, LOL

StoneY

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Robert Taylor - 17th February 2010, 19:30
I disagree with the extent of the increase but undeniably like many other activities motorcyclists need to clean their act up

How many kids do you see riding scooters in shorts and jandals at this time of year? Answer way too many.

How many bikes that are ridden on the road are not in a fit condition to do so?

How many young idiots ride bikes at crazy speeds in built up areas?

How many bikes are too noisy and cause offence, thereby alienating the same everyday people who may otherwise deliver a level of support?

Etc.....

Im not bashing bikers and indeed I derive my income from same, just stating some relevant points.

In spite of denials to the contrary this campaign has to a degree been kidnapped by left wing activists and I see also Union support has been sanctioned. This should be apolitical on the part of bikers, many of whom like me are instinctive National voters and will still vote National regardless

grantnz - 17th February 2010, 20:05
Originally Posted by Scuba_Steve

I think one of our biggest problems is corporate news media, they NEVER report the true, full or unbiased story. Rupert Murdoch himself said it best when he said "the media create the news", Until the media stop creating the news & start reporting it, it will always be an uphill battle.

Most dictatorships control the media, so why should NZ be any different. The Gummermint have probably instructed the media to only report the minimum so the public does not notice or care, because there is no attention grabbing story. Could have been tho, when the COPS turned up with long battons!! WTF? Were they for us, or maybe the Nurses Union?
A group of us had lunch with Phil Goff recently and the local paper reporter turned up along with a cameraman. It was wet, came straight from work etc.. ,so only 2 or 3 came on bikes. "Where are the angry bikers" said the reporter. I said " we are here". The look of disappointment on his face was priceless. Then in walked 2 motorcyclists in leathers and wet gear. He was off, photos, questions. It was like he had won Lotto. No ugly scenes, abuse or chants, did not make the paper.
Just like the crap coverage of Bikeoi, zoom in on a few Hogs with patched gang members and don't show what 6000 bikes stretched for 20 km looks like.

Smifffy - 17th February 2010, 20:15
Pretty much all of the bikers from work who were rostered off during the bikeoi rode down for it, and those that could, took a couple of days leave to go. This week, one of the union delegates, who was rostered to be at work, took two days off to "attend union business in Wellington". I'm assuming that the business in question was to attend the march, unless they had also arranged for some other business to do whilst there also.

I doubt very much whether any of his union brothers that attended the bikeoi even knew that he was going down to Wellington, or what for.

grantnz - 17th February 2010, 20:23
Attachment 196997

What were they planning to do with thier accsesories?

oldrider - 17th February 2010, 20:33
Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I disagree with the extent of the increase but undeniably like many other activities motorcyclists need to clean their act up

How many kids do you see riding scooters in shorts and jandals at this time of year? Answer way too many.

How many bikes that are ridden on the road are not in a fit condition to do so?

How many young idiots ride bikes at crazy speeds in built up areas?

How many bikes are too noisy and cause offence, thereby alienating the same everyday people who may otherwise deliver a level of support?

Etc.....

Im not bashing bikers and indeed I derive my income from same, just stating some relevant points.

In spite of denials to the contrary this campaign has to a degree been kidnapped by left wing activists and I see also Union support has been sanctioned. This should be apolitical on the part of bikers, many of whom like me are instinctive National voters and will still vote National regardless

Did you watch "60 minutes" on TV3 tonight?

Well I did and I wondered how much those team stock racers cost/contribute to ACC!

Hmmmm, divide and conquer raises it's ugly head here!

Not that it would be of consequence if the governments ran ACC according to it's original (no blame) tenets!

Robert Taylor - 17th February 2010, 20:39
Originally Posted by oldrider

Did you watch "60 minutes" on TV3 tonight?

Well I did and I wondered how much those team stock racers cost/contribute to ACC!

Hmmmm, divide and conquer raises it's ugly head here!

Not that it would be of consequence if the governments ran ACC according to it's original (no blame) tenets!

No i didnt and have often thought and said that if you are involved in a discretional activity such as any form of sport you should have your own private cover.

Smifffy - 17th February 2010, 20:52
I disagree with the extent of the increase but undeniably like many other activities motorcyclists need to clean their act up

How many kids do you see riding scooters in shorts and jandals at this time of year? Answer way too many.

How many bikes that are ridden on the road are not in a fit condition to do so?

How many young idiots ride bikes at crazy speeds in built up areas?

How many bikes are too noisy and cause offence, thereby alienating the same everyday people who may otherwise deliver a level of support?

Etc.....

The problem with most of these examples is that, in my opinion, you will find that most of the bikes guilty of these offences are also unregistered anyway - so again it is the law abiding, responsible ones, that are paying for the irresponsible.

I hope that when the changes go through that the revenue collectors blitz hard on unregoed vehicles

sinfull - 17th February 2010, 21:05
Originally Posted by sunhuntin

and the public will always support a group of bikes, no matter the reason. i remember last year, there were hundreds of joe q's on the overbridges, all excited simply cos we were bikes. hell, i went through otaki alone yesterday, and one small boy was just about waving his arm off, he was so excited, and i was just a solo bike. they may not understand, but they will back us. im sure of it.

That was me you silly woman and if you call me boy again i'll bite your kneecaps !!!

Originally Posted by GSL

Another failed biker protest in Wellington. I think the definition of stupidity is continuing to do the same thing but expecting a different result. When have “polite”, “don’t upset the public” biker protests ever achieved anything – never.
The problem in Wellington is that those with the resources to organise protests are normally inefficient, overpaid public servants more worried about retaining their snouts in the public purse trough than “real protest”. They may get a warm fussy from yesterday but in reality they are just puppets for the Labour party.
A “Real Protest” could shut down Wellington very easily. Just need about 200 bikers, real bikers and not the pathetic “don’t upset the public mob”. A lot of opportunities have gone to waste, especially when about 6,000 bikers were available in Wellington last year.
Maybe I will come across some bikers with real balls at this weeks HOG Rally!

Was almost gonna say Hmmmm but then you came with the hog shit bwahahahaha fuck nancy !!!

Originally Posted by StoneY

Complying with the legal requirements to enter Parliaments grounds is far from being 'less than a biker' or having no balls as you claim

9,500 of us put in far more effort than you EVER will

As for finding more real bikers at the HOG rally, no offence to the HOG group but not a lot of those machines roll down the highway every day, and many never get wet beyond a wash in the driveway

Bet you think the guy that did the burnout on the Stadium damaging the valuable assett loaned to us by Westpac Stadium was a 'cool hardcore REAL biker' yet the coward has never fronted up to assist with the repairs

I ride my bike in ALL weather EVERY day through the rush hour traffic, I own 3 bikes and have been on no less than 6 protest actions...where the hell have YOU been mr macho?
Lets see YOU gather 200 'BIKERS' and shut the city down, put ya ass where ya mouth is... do that and you can rubbish the efforst we made so far but till you do, piss off.

Now I agree with the fact its time to take more disruptive action, and I will put myself and my bikes on the line to do so but your poo pooing of our efforts to date makes me sick... all noise I will bet

Hehehe can i quote ya this time ???

Originally Posted by Owl

A Hog member mentioned this plan to me back in November, after the Bikeoi, which he didn't attend. A "cunning plan" involving a rather large roundabout near Wellington and 200 bikes going round and round and round. So if this plan was hatched 3 months ago, why haven't you and your hardcore brethren been able to organise such a simple task in such a long period of time?

Just curious!

It was a bridge i tell ya ! A bridge !!! And a hill and a few hundy bikers is all !!!

Originally Posted by riffer

Had an idea for how to get public and news media's attention especially after seeing the naked bicyclist on the telly news (is THAT news?).

Nudity is bloody good at getting you noticed. We get a few hundred bikers, topless riding through the city. We proclaim "ACC is taking the shirts off our backs". Obviously works better if we have lots of female bikers too (although some of us have some pretty good man tits right now LOL).

I reckon we're guaranteed TV exposure with this. Trouble is, who's brave enough to do it. I would but hey I'm a guy. We need some brave women too...

Have four letters for ya ! WIMA

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I disagree with the extent of the increase but undeniably like many other activities motorcyclists need to clean their act up

How many kids do you see riding scooters in shorts and jandals at this time of year? Answer way too many.

How many bikes that are ridden on the road are not in a fit condition to do so?

How many young idiots ride bikes at crazy speeds in built up areas?

How many bikes are too noisy and cause offence, thereby alienating the same everyday people who may otherwise deliver a level of support?

Etc.....

Im not bashing bikers and indeed I derive my income from same, just stating some relevant points.

In spite of denials to the contrary this campaign has to a degree been kidnapped by left wing activists and I see also Union support has been sanctioned. This should be apolitical on the part of bikers, many of whom like me are instinctive National voters and will still vote National regardless

Jeeeesusss CHRIST Robert ????

Originally Posted by Smifffy

The problem with most of these examples is that, in my opinion, you will find that most of the bikes guilty of these offences are also unregistered anyway - so again it is the law abiding, responsible ones, that are paying for the irresponsible.

I hope that when the changes go through that the revenue collectors blitz hard on unregoed vehicles

Is everybody stoned here ?

gazmascelle - 17th February 2010, 21:12
Originally Posted by Smifffy

The problem with most of these examples is that, in my opinion, you will find that most of the bikes guilty of these offences are also unregistered anyway - so again it is the law abiding, responsible ones, that are paying for the irresponsible.

I hope that when the changes go through that the revenue collectors blitz hard on unregoed vehicles

huh? whats your point? what's my comment about means of getting attention got to do with unregistered bikes? wtf?

sinfull - 17th February 2010, 21:14
Originally Posted by gazmascelle

huh? whats your point? what's my comment about means of getting attention got to do with unregistered bikes? wtf?

You go smoke some of that there stuff and catch up now ya here !!!

Smifffy - 17th February 2010, 21:16
Originally Posted by gazmascelle

huh? whats your point? what's my comment about means of getting attention got to do with unregistered bikes? wtf?

Your post happened to be above the one I meant to quote. My bad. Hope it helped to make your day a little more surreal at least.

gazmascelle - 17th February 2010, 21:19
yeah thanks.. real positive stuff there

wrong quote, all makes sense now

Conquiztador - 17th February 2010, 22:48
When I have something to do that looks too big to conquer, then I normally cut it up in to bits that I can sort. And before I know it I have it all sorted.

We went down to Welly in November, we told Smitty that the raising of the ACC levies on bikes was BULLSHIT!. That was one bit. Only a small part of the changes ACC is gonna have done to it. And it worked!

Now how bout we take another bite. Just one. And we do the same thing: We all ride to Welly and tell them it is BULLSHIT! The bit I would like to bite in to is that we will have to use our Holidays first before we can get ACC. Wonder what would happen if 9,000 "angry bikers" would once again come to Welly to tell guvment that it is BULLSHIT? And do it as a Bikeoi, but tell others that they are welcome to attend...

Pixie - 18th February 2010, 05:04
Originally Posted by Ixion

Okay. Put a spin on it.

The bikers are pissed off with mr Smith - 10000 odd turn up and demand his blood.

The unions are pissed off with Mr Smith - 50 odd turn up and whimper.

What does that say is the most potent political force - and thus least safe to piss off ?

Maybe we need to plan another big bike attack.Just so they get a reminder of this.
Do it after the levies come in and the wallet are still stinging.

oldrider - 18th February 2010, 06:02
Originally Posted by Pixie

Maybe we need to plan another big bike attack.Just so they get a reminder of this.
Do it after the levies come in and the wallet are still stinging.

My little wallet is still smarting from the announcement, stinging is an understatment!

I don't really have a beef with their direction, more about the way it's being done!

I don't like being treated as a fool by a fool!

Mom - 18th February 2010, 06:13
Originally Posted by oldrider

Did you watch "60 minutes" on TV3 tonight?

Well I did and I wondered how much those team stock racers cost/contribute to ACC!

Hmmmm, divide and conquer raises it's ugly head here!

Not that it would be of consequence if the governments ran ACC according to it's original (no blame) tenets!

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

caseye - 18th February 2010, 07:15
SUX ! aye Mom. No matter you'll be up an about soon enough, then God elp us!.
As for those posting with regards to more mass Bike protests.
Please people "READ" whats before you, November this year is when BikHoi 2 is planned for.
Yes after the wallets have been pried open.
Yes it'll be done by us for us.
And yes any other affected parties will be invited to join US!
This is ongoing, we haven't gone away we are not going to choke on what we bite off, we are going to either stop this thing altogether or make the Nats very very sick and show them come election time what we think of their ideas for making their rich freinds richer and the whole country poorer for this stupid incompetent legislation.
Hey Conquiztador nicely put, it is the way and please excuse my borrowing your line.

oldrider - 18th February 2010, 07:17
Originally Posted by Mom

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

Too much influence from the AA has made them like that! I still think they (AA) are the real target for us to attack!

Good luck with your foot, makes me wish I was a Physiotherapist!

Conquiztador - 18th February 2010, 07:19
Originally Posted by Mom

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

I have a few that you should add that restricts your freedom:
- Bungie jump
- Walk in a ACC protest
- Kick Smitty up the ass

yungatart - 18th February 2010, 07:21
Originally Posted by Mom

I am currently having physio treatment for my foot. The required paperwork asks for 5 things that I can not do as a result of rupturing my ligament. I started with walking/weight bearing and movend on to climbing up the stairs. I wanted to write ride my motorcycle, as I still cant do that but the physio said best not to mentin motorcycles as ACC dont like them. He is a biker too, but how friggen stupid. This is all about rehabilitating me back so I can enjoy the things I used to do, and I can not mention motorcycles on my treatment form.

That is, to put it bluntly, fucken ridiculous!
After my accident, I put riding down on my form.
If I were you, I'd put it down Anne. It IS important to you, you have paid your levies and now you get to reap the benefits of that.
FFS, you didn't even injure yourself on a bike, and so what if you had?
It is not up to ACC or anyone else to pass judgement on your lifestyle choices