Stats for submissions

[AllanB]

No! Not true. See this post. More likely, true, but only 3 times. Not 18. They lied. According to MoT figures.

Good call - sad thing is at 3 times more likely the indicated ACC costs they want us to pay would be about 3 times what I'd pay on my car rego ...... so proportionally correct??????

[Ixion]

Probably is, which maybe validates the numbers. Though I'd trust them, being from MoT who are 'neutral'

[Hiflyer]

Probably is, which maybe validates the numbers. Though I'd trust them, being from MoT who are 'neutral'

Is there such a thing in Govt run departments?
I really dont know what to do if the figures stay, now its actually cheaper to run a car. I'm starting my pilots training in january, I wont be able to afford it

it really is running us off the roads, even if it isnt intentional

[Mom]

If this splits into smaller groups trying to defend their ride we all lose.

Here, here! Give that man a gold star. Look this is not the time to pull out the us against them card amongst ourselves. We all ride bikes, the off road unregistered riders can appreciate our pain, even if they are really pleased it is not them.

However, I think that they will understand also that it wont be too long until they find a way to get them to pay a levy too, perhaps at purchase time?

We are getting potentially hammered at the moment, the more noise we make against it the better it will be, the more time will be spent finding alternatives.

Imagine this if you will...

All player members that join a sports club, whether it be a rugby club, a football club, a pony club, an athletics club, a gymnastics club, a what ever you can imagine club get slammed with an ACC levy for the season to cover any potential claims that will be made to ACC for injury. Imagine the outcry!

But that is just and fair as far as I am concerned. I have ridden bikes for better than 30 years and have NEVER made a claim for cover under ACC for a bkie related injury, I have however made the odd claim for twisting a knee playing badminton etc, I once broke my cruciate ligament rounding up sheep too Why the hell should I penalised for the misfortune of others?

Expecting us (not just bikers here for a minute) to pay to fund the shorfall in residual payments like we do is frankly outrageous!

[rok-the-boat]

Hang on - your stats state the cost per active claim rose by .....%

To consider this correctly in relationship to ACC you need to know what was the average cost of claims per category.
eg

say the average cost for cars was $100 per claim and it rose 9.5% to $109.50

Motorcycles may have a average claim cost of $250 per claim ......... which I believe was ACC's point - we are a lot more expensive than other road users per claim per road user.

Stuffed either way as ACC have expressed a dislike of motorcycle before and I see little reason to believe they will change their opinions.

Sorry for the double posting - I posted this elsewhere - but I want to state this:

I saw some stats somewhere - from the USA - that showed most motorcycle accidents are caused by cars. If cars cause the accidents, they should be paying, not motorcycles. Also, more people need to be persuaded to get on bikes - they are cheaper, more efficient etc. Also, my bike is insured, therefore, I should pay less of a fee anyway. Finally, the reason ACC are in deep dodahs is because of their own mismanagement - they need to sort themselves out and become more efficient. Stop putting ads in newspapers and printing lavish brochures - we need none of that.

[wolf.47]

Dose Acc consider all motorcycles into there stats, e.g like someone injuring them self on a dirt bike used on the beach or something
Or are they just going on Road Reg Bikes

[Pedrostt500]

I remember reading a PDF in a post a year or so back, so did a bit of a search, and managed to find it, not sure if I can set a link up to get back to it. It was posted by Paul in NZ on 18 November 2008, titled Accident report.
Was hoping I could set up a link to the PDF but I'm to Thick to do it, would one of you computer Gurus help out, thanks.

[Pedrostt500]

this time

[chanceyy]

I remember reading a PDF in a post a year or so back, so did a bit of a search, and managed to find it, not sure if I can set a link up to get back to it. It was posted by Paul in NZ on 18 November 2008, titled Accident report.
Was hoping I could set up a link to the PDF but I'm to Thick to do it, would one of you computer Gurus help out, thanks.

I figure your talking about this thread

and reattached Motorcycle crash factsheet ... hope thats what you were looking for Pedro ..

[Nick from the nick]

Just a thought how come the ACC bosses get a nice pay rise for mismanaging where i come from the prats should have had a pay cut

[FastBikeGear]

To add the excellent statistics already posted here...http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110116

The following statistics were gathered from here http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...2008/index.htm

Road claim costs. Total $413,001,000

7 biggest contributors

ATV $173,000
Cycling $15,543,000
Bus driver/passenger $1,334,000
Driving Passenger car $208,343,000
Motorcycle $62,545,000
Pedestrian $28,472,000
Truck $15,639,000

Sports claim costs. Total $220,152

5 biggest contributors.

Rugby Union and rugby league $50,689,000
Motorcycling & Trail biking & motorcross $15,397,000
Netball $11,496,000
Cycling $10,447,000
Swimming $10,055,000

[Tony]

Here's some more interesting statistics. Source http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ike-levy-logic

Crash figures are being wrongly used to back large ACC levy increases for motorcyclists, a leading researcher says.

Lincoln University Associate Professor Charles Lamb, who heads the Australasian Institute of Motorcycle Studies project, said ACC and minister Nick Smith were basing the proposed increases on poor facts.

ACC wants to increase annual motorcycle levies by hundreds of dollars, with owners of machines over 601cc facing a massive rise from $252 to $745.

ACC said riders were 16 per cent more likely than other road users to be involved in a crash.

It paid $62 million in motorcyclists' claims last year, while receiving only $12m in levies from users.

Submissions on the levy proposal close on November 10.

Lamb said analysis of Ministry of Transport crash data showed 67 per cent of motorcycle accidents involved other drivers, and 60 per cent of those crashes were caused by the other driver.

He said ACC also wrongly loaded higher levy increases on to motorcycles with engines over 600cc.

Lamb said 43 per cent of the 420 accidents – studied last year – between motorcycles and other vehicles in Auckland and Canterbury did not have the bike's engine size on the police accident report. The most common engine size in the remaining 57 per cent of crash reports was 250cc, which lent no weight to charging higher levies on bigger machines, he said.

Smith said even if cars caused all accidents between vehicles and motorcycles, the cost of other motorcycle accidents exceeded the proposed levy.

Lamb said last year there were 1475 motorcycle accidents in New Zealand and 50 deaths.

By comparison, 36 cyclists died in 1170 bicycle accidents but the cycling community paid no levies.

Lamb said ACC figures also included injury crashes involving unregistered, offroad motorcycles and farm bikes.

[Tony]

ACC said that in 2008/09 it paid more than $62 million for accidents involving motorcycles. It collected $12.3m in levies from motorcyclists in the same period.

Source http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-Minister-...ticleID=125671

[Laxi]

ACC said that in 2008/09 it paid more than $62 million for accidents involving motorcycles. It collected $12.3m in levies from motorcyclists in the same period.

Source http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-Minister-...ticleID=125671

Sports claim costs. Total $220,152

5 biggest contributors.

Rugby Union and rugby league $50,689,000
Motorcycling & Trail biking & motorcross $15,397,000
Netball $11,496,000
Cycling $10,447,000
Swimming $10,055,000

selective statistics from ACC I think, almost 15.5m just from the dirtys

[Ixion]

Here's some more interesting statistics. Source http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/new...ike-levy-logic

Crash figures are being wrongly used to back large ACC levy increases for motorcyclists, a leading researcher says.

Lincoln University Associate Professor Charles Lamb, who heads the Australasian Institute of Motorcycle Studies project, said ACC and minister Nick Smith were basing the proposed increases on poor facts.

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We ar ein contact with Prof Lamb. Look for a TVNZ interview with him tonight.