Comments from Resource and final info threads

**Brian d marge** · 14th October 2009, 16:22

Yes
Mods Can we have you attension for a moment

Can threads such as this one , be put into one and made a sticky , minus all the one word replies

So that the out pouring of replies can be structured

Stephen

**Mom** · 14th October 2009, 16:25

Originally Posted by Brian d'marge

Yes
Mods Can we have you attension for a moment

Can threads such as this one , be put into one and made a sticky , minus all the one word replies

So that the out pouring of replies can be structured

Stephen

I will send a little PM so this request is actually noticed in amongst all the other craps those poor sods have to wade through

**beyond** · 14th October 2009, 20:21

Originally Posted by tri boy

Yes it does.
A very free hospital for USA tourists that would of faced $100k bill at home for the equivalent surgery.

Well, if we are that much in debt with ACC why the hell is this country funding rich bastards who come here on their holidays and injure themselves and we end up paying for it all. How dum is that?

That needs to be the first thing to go and that alone will save countless millions!!

**rustic101** · 14th October 2009, 20:37

Originally Posted by kewwig

ACC figures show 54,400 motorcycles over 600cc, double the number for those 126-600cc. More and more riders returning to motorcycling (as distinct from the scooter brigade) are males over 35, who ride predominantly on weekends, carry passengers and luggage and generally use the bikes for pleasure. Typically this group has more disposable income and will purchase larger machines. Weekend rides usually involve rural roads and higher speeds. As many writers point out, getting into trouble on a bike for going too fast is just as easy on a 500cc machine (arguably the smaller bikes have budget brakes, tyres and suspension) , and we all know how the typical 1500cc cruiser will fare lined up against a GSXR600.
The under 125cc group have lower risk, simply because those machines are typically used in a lower speed urban environment – primarily for transport and not so much for pleasure. Whilst the likelihood of a crash is higher, injury severity is generally lower.
The point I am making is that the crashes are not necessarily because of the capacity of the machine, but simply because there are a hell of a lot more older riders out there on bigger machines , thus more exposed to risk. If we all moved tomorrow to 599cc bikes, my view is that the risk profile will be the same. Age, errors, other vehicles and exposure to risk are not cc dependent.
Linking engine capacity to the argument is specious – in fact it is really a differential rate that correlates just as well with age and disposable income (again, generally a factor of age). The same linkages could be applied to bike prices – the more expensive bikes would correlate to a greater claim rate. Again, ccs are not causative. It could be argued that this is discrimination on the basis of age – a breach of Section 21(1)(i) of the Human Rights Act 1993.
If they are going to screw us, they should apply it evenly across the group, not single out the older riders by virtue of machine choice.
Any lawyers out there have a view on this?

I think there are some logical arguments in here and certainly some valid points. I will over the next few days researching the entire threads on this topic and compiling a logical rather than emotional reply to ACC and the Minister.

**Brian d marge** · 15th October 2009, 03:54

Originally Posted by beyond

Can anyone verify if we still have to pay for overseas visitors and tourists when they have an accident. I believe the costs involved in this are horrendous and if they want to save money, knock that on the head for a start! Hell, we have to get insurance when we travel overseas.

I heard a case where an overseas skier broke his leg and the total cost before he arrived at his home in Canada, was $80,000. I also believe that because the accident happened here that all the after care is still being paid by NZ'ers???!!!@@#$##@!!

Can we verify that this still stands cos if so I'll be writing to my local MP to have something to say about it and the tax on tax on tax to all us bloody hard workers that want some pleasure in life riding our bikes.

well my wife , before I married her , was in 2 accidents ( not her fault ,,,but it should have been !!)
and she paid the full amount
seven hundred for a one night hospital stay and nearly the same amount for the dentist

I know I paid

Stephen

ps she was not a kiwi

**steve74** · 15th October 2009, 08:41

forgive me if im wrong but i was under the impression that every rescue chopper and ambulance that attends a motorcross, trail ride and farm bike / quad accident, including that riders hospital and rehabilitation cost is paid for by the minority road bike registration levy.

**Genestho** · 15th October 2009, 08:46

pssst, I don't mean to be rude but this is a resource thread, please take the opinions and comments elsewhere?

Keep this clutterfree so the factual resources are easy to find? If you have a legitimate argument it's best to cite it with fact and link the resource for other users IMO Thanks

**Ixion** · 19th October 2009, 17:13

This "bikes are 16 times more dangerous than cars" figure keeps being quoted.

On MoT figures for number of car crashes versus number of bike crashes, it's wrong, the correct number is about 3 x.

But ACC claim the figure is based on a "survey of kilometres travelled". But can provide no further backing

Have you any indication of provenance for this 16 x figure? And of the methodology used to determine the kilometres travelled? (which I suspect will be decidedly shonky)

**MSTRS:Me** · 19th October 2009, 18:00

It's shonky alright. Actually refers to the likelihood of injury compared to car occupants, I believe.

**rustic101** · 19th October 2009, 18:26

Originally Posted by Howie

That actually makes interesting reading, but unfortunatly looks like a very similar reply to the one received by Reckless over on this thread, apart from the introduction to the information. so it looks like the AA are prepared to use a type of Form letter in reply to any inquires we make to them.

The wankers. Good by AA insurance(s) anyone know a good package deal; Bike is with Vero Go Lightly as AA would not insure me with my left nut as a deposit.....

**shrub** · 19th October 2009, 20:01

Originally Posted by Howie

That actually makes interesting reading, but unfortunatly looks like a very similar reply to the one received by Reckless over on this thread, apart from the introduction to the information.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=110457
So it looks like the AA are prepared to use a type of Form letter in reply to any inquires we make to them.

The AA haven't put any thought into this and if they're not careful this will turn into a PR nightmare

**rustic101** · 19th October 2009, 20:06

Originally Posted by Ms Piggy

Some of you might like this.

I know the web site (which looks great) is targetting ACC. However have you or the administrator considered posting the AA response (on my blog thingy), and or addressing the National Govt angle as they are the architechs of the plan??? Ken

**Mom** · 19th October 2009, 20:32

Originally Posted by rustic101

Make up your own mind where they stand.

Already had that opinion of them

**wingrider** · 21st October 2009, 09:39

Originally Posted by rustic101

The wankers. Good by AA insurance(s) anyone know a good package deal; Bike is with Vero Go Lightly as AA would not insure me with my left nut as a deposit.....

Try Swann insurance
www.swanninsurance.co.nz

Do the online calculation but ring them as your personal history details in many cases can significantly reduce the premium.

**MSTRS:Me** · 21st October 2009, 14:24

Originally Posted by sharknet

What a two faced bastard...

Actually, no, he's not. It was ACC that made the announcement of fee hikes, not the Govt. And it wasn't announced as a fait accompli...8 months notice isn't bad, all things considered.

Originally Posted by sharknet

The only way to fight this is to do the same thing the truckies did, fill the Auckland motorway with bikes, at rush hour.

Taking it to the streets is good, but still not the 'only way' to fight this. We'll do what we need to get this onerous levy hike reversed (or spread more fairly)