I sent the AA an email Friday afternoon complaining about there stance on the ACC levy.
The attached is their reply, I got in this morning. I PDF'ed the email for you guys. I'd imagine they might be working off the same figures as the Gubberment. Interesting to note he is meeting with the Minister. Was personally emailed to me from Mike Noon.
I'm flat out drawing plans at the moment haven't had time to even read it properly but thought I'd post to add to the general info base. Pre all your bronz and ride meetings etc.
It does appear to break things down a lot more than any other info I have read so far but haven't had time to keep pace with things on here!
Hopefully it will prove useful (or not) LOL!!
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
'Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out! Shouting, ' Holy sh!t... What a Ride!! '
This world has lost it's drive, everybody just wants to fit in the be the norm as it were.
Originally Posted by Phil Vincent
The manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to find out what the average rider prefers, because the maker who guesses closest to the average preference gets the largest sales. But the average rider is mainly interested in silly (as opposed to useful) goodies to try to kid the public that he is riding a racer
The claim is made that no other road user is subsidised. Cyclists are more heavily subsidised than motorcyclists therefore the claim is either an oversight or a lie.
Bloody Ixion beat me to it.
Last edited by kave; 19th October 2009 at 17:28.
Reason: too slow
Dunno Xion
I'm going to really try hard to make it to the Bronz meeting Wednesday but I'm on the bikers side and hadn't seen any other Stats actually attributing blame or cause etc. So I thought it might be useful to the collective and by the Mainlanders and Wellingtonions as well as us Dorklanders etc??
On a Motorcycle you're penetrating distance, right along with the machine!! In a car you're just a spectator, the windshields like a TV!!
'Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out! Shouting, ' Holy sh!t... What a Ride!! '
I sent the AA an email Friday afternoon complaining about there stance on the ACC levy.
The attached is their reply, I got in this morning. I PDF'ed the email for you guys. I'd imagine they might be working off the same figures as the Gubberment. Interesting to note he is meeting with the Minister. Was personally emailed to me from Mike Noon.
I'm flat out drawing plans at the moment haven't had time to even read it properly but thought I'd post to add to the general info base. Pre all your bronz and ride meetings etc.
It does appear to break things down a lot more than any other info I have read so far but haven't had time to keep pace with things on here!
Hopefully it will prove useful (or not) LOL!!
Holy Shit! If those 'facts' are right, then that constitutes sobering reading as regards our long-held belief that it is the cagers who cause most of our ills.
It's a bit interesting that the stats don't separate bike-types. Maybe that would lead to another conclusion.
But the fact remains....if the cop stats are right, then the biker population has a lot to answer for.
The question being, 'Why should we capable and careful, long-term, crash-free riders subsidise those who are not?'
Bugger me. Those stats are awful! If they're true.
Interesting reading, it is hard to argue with stats like those.
It sucks we are heading down this road where user pays looks to be just around the corner.
A quick couple of thoughts from me...
Social costs and serious injuries. Of course we make up a greater % of serious injuries, assuming they define them the same way as the Ministry, then:
Serious injuries - Fractures, concussion, internal injuries, crushings, severe cuts and lacerations, severe general shock necessitating medical treatment and any other injury involving removal to and detention in hospital.
Minor injuries - Injuries of a minor nature such as sprains and bruises.
Of course we slot in with more Major injuries, i wonder what the % is for minor...
Why is the CAS database so out of whack with the Ministry one? We already know its missing near on 1/2 the CC figures for the cantebury region...
Does anyone have the figures from another source for the same period of time, I just wonder if they match. If they don't then wouldn't that be a contentious point, I mean, even the official collectors of data can't make head or tail of the figures so how does anyone know the real cost, they are just spouting numbers that suit them.
Originally Posted by SpankMe
KB does not require a high standard of membership behavior.
Holy Shit! If those 'facts' are right, then that constitutes sobering reading as regards our long-held belief that it is the cagers who cause most of our ills.
It's a bit interesting that the stats don't separate bike-types. Maybe that would lead to another conclusion.
But the fact remains....if the cop stats are right, then the biker population has a lot to answer for.
The question being, 'Why should we capable and careful, long-term, crash-free riders subsidise those who are not?'
Bugger me. Those stats are awful! If they're true.
Actually they are as skewed as you can get. I've forwarded the PDF to Professor Lamb at Lincoln for his interpretation. I suggest you check out the data on our site as a comparison.
Does anyone have the figures from another source for the same period of time, I just wonder if they match. If they don't then wouldn't that be a contentious point, I mean, even the official collectors of data can't make head or tail of the figures so how does anyone know the real cost, they are just spouting numbers that suit them.
Actually they are as skewed as you can get. I've forwarded the PDF to Professor Lamb at Lincoln for his interpretation. I suggest you check out the data on our site as a comparison.
Good sane work batman!
The prof's figures utterly refute AA's with blame 60/40 in bikers favor of blamelessness, (more or less)
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