Cool, we can work as a team.Originally Posted by MSTRS
I'll be the bad cop.
Forum whore
Cool, we can work as a team.
I'll be the bad cop.
Rider in training
Just read your signature. Funny timing. My copy of that book has just arrived today.
Forum whore
Well well. A very interesting snippet in today's budget
Make of that what you will. I know what I make of it. Old saying, when thieves fall out, honest bikers have a chance.14.52: The Government will provide $2 million in new funding in 2010/11 so the Department of Labour can provide "more robust ACC policy advice" says ACC Minister Nick Smith says.
Cyborg Biker
so it cost 2million to make a policy ???
Hardcore Biker
uuum Guys, I posted Charlies report on the site......
have a look.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129758221
Him mit der R1200 Bayerische Motoren Werke Gelende Strasse
Cyborg Biker
In this thread some where too...
Bogeyman
No. Consequences. Ours.
The link between “visible” apparel and conspicuity is, if anything, inverse. So go stick yer fluro vest where the sun don’t shine, black is the new black.
Correct.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Just faidin away!
I have always used my headlight "on" in urban areas because it was expected in those areas but I never switched my light "on" in rural areas!
If I wanted to make myself seen in rural areas I would flash my light on and off, it was nearly always seen readily that way!
Everybody sees the guy "without" his light on these days, that's his point of difference!
Now my headlight is hard wired according to the law and I do not feel I have the same control over my visibility that I used to have before!
Me and my wife both wear black leather or Cordoba (sp?) we have been wondering about our visibility to other road users lately and have been considering flouro vests!
Doesn't sound as if they are all they are cracked up to be either does it!
That was a very factual, informative and interesting review, I shall read it over and over until it does get in, like Mrs Marsh's chalk!
Doesn't play well with others
Neither are cars allowed to run over a law-abiding motorcyclist say, sitting at a red light in front of them.
You've proved you are a moron, please don't bother trying to post again.
GOOD ROADS, NUTHIN 2 RIDE
You remember those broken chalk sticks to huh? LoL
You can still flash using the high beams, Probably better on bikes with two headlights.
I'm not sure the fluro jacket makes much difference on a bike with a tall shield and and good set of retina burners on, but that's only from the front during the day.
I know they make a difference being attacked from side on and the dreaded rear ender, especially at night.
One down side to a fluro is it attracts drunks like a moth to a light bulb riding the inner city after 11pm.
Thats my experience in the inner city, open road riding is a whole different thing.
Weekend cruiser
Anyone know more as to why Table one shows 1973,1988,1989,1990,2003,2007,2008, 2009 (or 8 years out of 37) but Figures Two and Three show data points for 1980 through 2009? (30/30 years)
Forum whore
Probably for legibility. All those missing years from the table are shown on the two graphs so you can see that nothing is trying to be be hidden. As for the years, who knows ? Pre 1980 stuff isn't kept electronically so is much harder to interrogate.
Forum whore
Well that was a useful and thorough presentation, as expected, and yet I am disappointed.
I think that I was expecting too much - I was hoping for something that would be our tactical nuke in the battle for truth about motorcycling. This isn't it.
Prof Lamb ignores single vehicle accidents and using his own 2008 figures, they were nearly 34% of the total. I cannot say what proportion of these single vehicle events are the fault of the rider, but my own opinion is that it will be the vast majority.
Further Berries has pointed out to us that if the hospital data is compared to the MOT data, then we are forced to the conclusion that most motorcycle injury accidents are never reported and this by a huge margin - approx half for serious injury and as much as 3/4 for lesser injuries. This means that motorcycling cost to ACC to way out of proportion to what the MOT figures would suggest.
Prof Lamb makes no mention of this.
I have no doubt that he had excellent reasons for excluding these data. I suspect that it is for the reasons that Berrie has already discussed which would mean that he could not say anything definitive about these items.
He has built an excellent case for shifting the policing emphasis but it is not the answer to a maiden's prayer that I hoped it might be.
I may not be as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I always was.
Rider in training
You were a bit slow. I posted them up several days ago in this thread. I format shifted them to PDF for those who can't open PPT files as well.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129756882
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...post1129757245
Rider in training
I don't see anyone around with their headlight off. And every study I've seen suggests the exact opposite of what you are saying (people see those with their headlights on). Most jurisdictions that have moved to riders having their lights permanently on have experienced a reduction in accidents.
Granted you have a minor restriction in control over the operation of a light, but you can still flash your high beam. You also have a horn ...
I tend to wear my flouro's at night, and early morning/evening when their is very little sunlight. I don't very it very much during summer. From looking at other motorcycles at night time I feel there is a big difference in visibility. I guess you can try looking at other bikers at night time and come to your own conclusion.
If I recall the MOT stats the largest quantity of single vehicle motorcycle accidents is failing to take a corner. So I think you're probably right.
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