how do you put your knee down??

[The Stranger:Me]

It's a sad day when a GN can't whip a Hayabusa.

[ducatilover]

It's a sad day when a GN can't whip a Hayabusa.

lol, well i'll have you know i can beat many bikers.






the fact that they are on push bikes doesnt count

[Marmoot]

If riders put their knee-down, boyracers do drifting.
On the road, they're mainly about looks.

But, hey, I do want to put my knee down too (and I haven't managed to)

[Ixion]

Well, you (and I) are in good company. Hailwood never did, nor did Ago, let alone Surtees, stan woods , Freddie Frith , et al.

But maybe all the "knee down" experts are better riders than agostini .

[ducatilover]

all hail John Britten

[M1CRO:Me]

can someone give me some advice on how to corner better? ....

As mentioned by others, cornering is more than just putting your knee down... A whole range of factors come into play including entry speed, cornering line, vanishing point, experience, where you are looking, etc etc etc.... Unfortunately this only comes with experience and as mentioned, knee out is not the be all and end-all...

In fact, I would be bold enough to say, that a "good" rider on a 250cc would probably beat a larger machine through very tight twisties.. I followed a GSX1100 last week and struggled to keep up around "twisties" (less than 60km/hr corners), but on "sweepers" is where I made up the ground mainly as the straight line speed and the horses I had under me allowed me to bridge the gap...

My best advice (being a Busa rider obviously - which, I must point out here and now, does NOT mean that I corner better than anyone out there) is to keep within your limits! And at least keep these two things in mind;
1. When cornering - slow in, fast out
2. NEVER ride at or beyond 100% of your ability - ALWAYS keep some up your sleeve in case things start to go wrong (and trust me, they will!!)

[Ixion]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")

[M1CRO:Me]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

Yup, another way of saying what I said

[N4CR]

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")

I find that to be quite true. When I'm caning it and behind the bigger bikes it gets frustrating when you have to hit the anchors to stay off their tail - when you go to pass them they rape your little 250 with the sheer power/exit speed. So in the end the average speed through a set of corners is quite similar, while the corner speed of the 250 will be higher, so when you pass them while being reasonably similar speed through corners, I could say you would piss off the larger engined riders, as they have to go slow on the exit

[SPORK]

To put knee down:

1) Grasp knee
2) Gently place knee on ground

[ducatilover]

All other things being equal, a smaller (= lighter) bike will always corner faster than a bigger (= heavier) bike.

Less rotating mass, less sprung weight, lower and smaller moment of inertia, all sorts of physics type stuff says small is best.

Of course , things never are equal, and when people say "corner faster" they don't really mean that, they mean "get in front of the other bike on the exit". Where the power of the big engine pulling out of the corner will more than make up for a slightly slower speed through the corner

(Note: I did say "all other things being equal")

yes i can see your point. but lets take into account i dont consider my self a good rider just competent enough to ride to my own abilities and realise my/the bikes limits. also, my bike compared to a hayabusa, well where do i start?? my bike has twin rear shocks that will under pressure act/distort/compress at different rates to each other, thus causing a nothiceable wobble. the swing arm on my gn seems to twist a little as it is ridden hard, i have oto replace the bearings soon as they are getting worn out. i have very soft front forks, which also creates twist and understeer and not to mention alot of dive under braking. a haya busa can definately carry more entry and exit speed than my gn. the only advantage i had was the lack of mass that my gn has....and to be fair he was and most probably still is a better rider

[ducatilover]

To put knee down:

1) Grasp knee
2) Gently place knee on ground

LMFAO. great advice.

[pritch]

"#3 …Grip the tank and outer footpeg with your outer leg. Some say it’s pointless but I find that if I’ve got weight on the outside peg, I am more stable when something unexpected happens; ripples, head shake, rear slide…"

That seems good advice.


"Weighting the outside footpeg was a trick I learned from trial riding when I was a kid. Whether I was on an off-camber hill or a greasy pavement I'd get some weight on the outside peg because it really helps the grip.
Whatever the scenario it's the thing to do when the grip's lesser.

You can use the inside peg in the opposite scenario - if it's pushing the front, get your weight off the outside peg and stomp on the inside. That should make the rear slide and take some weight off the front to stop it pushing."

- Kevin Schwantz

(I take credit for the spelling mistakes.)

[nudemetalz]

I agree with the small bike/big bike thing.

On the race tack, you can hold so much more cornering speed on an RS-125 next to a F3 400 bike, while only losing little if any speed down the straight. Basically power to weight ratio is what counts, not whether you get your knee down everytime.

[nudemetalz]

That seems good advice.


"Weighting the outside footpeg was a trick I learned from trial riding when I was a kid. Whether I was on an off-camber hill or a greasy pavement I'd get some weight on the outside peg because it really helps the grip.
Whatever the scenario it's the thing to do when the grip's lesser.

You can use the inside peg in the opposite scenario - if it's pushing the front, get your weight off the outside peg and stomp on the inside. That should make the rear slide and take some weight off the front to stop it pushing."

- Kevin Schwantz

(I take credit for the spelling mistakes.)

He didn't always get it right......