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    Your ACC Levy

    The ACC is currently in the process of setting the levies for the next year.

    Apparently they value our input.

    KB constitutes a large chunk of people and who knows perhaps we can make a difference if we do give them our valued input.

    So those of you whom are so inclined may wish to comment on the proposal. If so follow the following Link

    Some points to note.

    The overall levy is reducing.

    Bikers are still singled out for more than motorists. For some reason this only seems to apply to bikers. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that no other recreational activity gets singled out for such special treatment. For example do non professional Rugby players pay any more ACC?

    Should Bikers bear the brunt of the cost for an accident not of their making?
    Ok most bike accidents are single vehicle, right hand bend.
    But there ones are generally not the expensive ones. The expensive ones are the multi vehicle ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    Bikers are still singled out for more than motorists. Should Bikers bear the brunt of the cost for an accident not of their making?
    Ok most bike accidents are single vehicle, right hand bend.
    But there ones are generally not the expensive ones. The expensive ones are the multi vehicle ones.
    Probably why ACC says that m/bike accidents are subsidised by other vehicles, and that the true cost would result in a levy of over $1500.
    One thing I think is really unfair about levies on registration rather than on petrol or per person is that if you have more than one vehicle, the risk remains the same, but the cost is multiplied - this is NOT "user pays" at all.
    F'rinstance, I have four vehicles registered in my name, but can use only one at any time.

    I browsed the submissions site, but didn't actually find out where I can make a submission - probably caffeine-induced extremely short attention span (and now caffeine induced keyboard dyslexia).
    ... and that's what I think.

    Or summat.


    Or maybe not...

    Dunno really....


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    Quote Originally Posted by vifferman
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    I browsed the submissions site, but didn't actually find out where I can make a submission - probably caffeine-induced extremely short attention span (and now caffeine induced keyboard dyslexia).

    The consultation document is Here but when i try to downlaod it it Firefox says it is damaged. that may just be me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    but I believe that no other recreational activity gets singled out for such special treatment. For example do non professional Rugby players pay any more ACC?

    Should Bikers bear the brunt of the cost for an accident not of their making?
    Ok most bike accidents are single vehicle, right hand bend.
    But there ones are generally not the expensive ones. The expensive ones are the multi vehicle ones.
    'tis true to some extent, but professional rugby players pay a larger ACC levy from their salary, well either they do or their club does. i have been looking at an ACC levy rates book for the last few days and they have different rates for different jobs, the average you would pay to ACC from your wages/salary is around 0.24 - 0.28 for a run of the mill office job or motor trade where as pro sports people pay about 0.49.

    I used to get pretty pissed about paying such high levys for the bike rego, but since my accident, i have got it back 20 fold
    Cibby play thing

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    I suspect the problem that you are seeing is compatibility.
    If I right click the link and select Save Target As..., as I would usually be able to do I get an error. If I click the link the file opens in Adobe Acrobat Reader.

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    Here's the above PDF, in case you are still having probs.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 200510060945517.pdf  

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    Ok, but I am not a professional rider.
    Riding for me is a recreational activity.

    A business can factor the levy into their cost structure and recover it.
    Businesses have, for as long as I can recall had this differential, and they have the ability to change this too.
    Can a good rider reduce their ACC levy?

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    Umm you need the part about a third of the way down which is headed "Submissions"

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    Incidentally, I am not getting all riled up here or trying to organise a revolt.
    Just trying to bring things that affect bikers to their attention in a timely fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    Incidentally, I am not getting all riled up here or trying to organise a revolt.
    Just trying to bring things that affect bikers to their attention in a timely fashion.

    Thanks CaN....we all need to be aware how vulnerable we are to ACCs agenda...(we have never had a strong lobby group like cage drivers with AA and various car clubs...and truckies with the road transport forum which just happens to have an ex politican at its head)

    if you go thru that document to pages 32,33, see their note...basically that the $166 motorcycle levy is subsidised by other vehicles and the TRUE rate for motorcycle levy would be approximately $1500 (9 times as much)
    See how much they want us on the roads!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Postie
    I used to get pretty pissed about paying such high levys for the bike rego, but since my accident, i have got it back 20 fold
    thing is, while you got your bucks-worth, I'm not willing to go to the same extremes as you to retain my ACC value..

    However, I do see the reason why we pay a little more, and after seeing first hand what Postie went thru (a post - hahaha!! ACC didn't cover the post btw), and seeing what others have been unfortunate in experiancing (like StoneChucker for example), I know that we can get beat up a bit sometimes. And, even if I never have to use ACC for whatever (excluding karting accidents), I'm happy to know my few bucks could be helping out them, in the hope that should I need it, it'd work for me too.

    Somehow, I'm at peace with the idea, tis only once a year for me (saves a wee bit), and yes, anything would be nice to reduce costs, but cutting health and recovery processes is not something I'd like to hear about..

    Just my .3985’ worth (inflation and ACC coverage)

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    The issue here though as I see it is if you accept the principal of a differential in pricing now what if next time they decide to put the whole lot on us, ie the $1,500.00, will you still be happy with it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaN
    The issue here though as I see it is if you accept the principal of a differential in pricing now what if next time they decide to put the whole lot on us, ie the $1,500.00, will you still be happy with it then?
    I so would not be happy playing $1500...it's bad enough as it is. Statisticly speaking how many bikes have accidents per bike population in comparison to cars per car population?

    Is the higher price a reflection that the bikers have more accidents or the fact that when we do we sustain greater damage?

    Cheers

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    well, yeah.. see, I completely missed the point of the difference of cost. I'd say raise cars, lower bikes. There's more cars on the road, so even something like $5 increase for cars is nothing, yet it'd probably generate more ACC than raising bikes by $100.

    Personally, I think cars are worse off than bikes. We get thrown clear of most wreckages. Cars get all caught up, then the fire crew have to cut them out, and the dsh board has squashed legs etc.. more to do, more personel etc.. More cars than bikes full stop. We're the more careful ones on the road (usually), cos we have more to loose when it goes bad. When it gets bad, we're no better or worse off than our caged counterparts at the end of the day. Can still break legs and arms from a bike or car/truck crash. Still requires the same treatment etc

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    In general I think bikers would sustain greater injury. We obviously are more vulnerable.
    I am not sure of the statistics and even if they would be accurately maintained and by whom. For example a woman pulled out on my son in his car at an intersection a short while ago and hit him on his rear right. He reported it, but the Police did not even note it. There was no insurance claim (she paid) so I have no idea how that one for example would have found it's way to the statistics. Had it been a bike, I dare say there would have been a hospital visit and a statistic.
    This morning on my way to work I had 2 cages pull out on me in separate incidents. One in particular, the closest one did so whilst staring me in the eye, I know I saw her eyeballs before she started moving. The other one was looking in my direction too. That is my point though. Had I been collected, which I very nearly was, I would show up as the consumer of the ACC services not the cage driver.

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