$400 fine for no "L" plate

[The Stranger:Me]

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

Why yours of course scummy.
I do mean that, if such a law were to be passed I would expect you to have the intellect and moral fortitude to say fuck that I am not going to enforce it etc.

If you would absolutely blindly follow all directions given and uphold all laws no matter what they were I really don't consider you fit to be on the Police force because you would obviously be incapable of thinking for yourself.

[spudchucka]

Thats an amusing one! In what sort of situations have you used that?

It was a good one to use for burn outs before the specific sustained loss of traction offence was introduced. I've used it when I've caught dickheads doing skids on parks & reserves before too.

[CPB]

You were breaking the law...and you knew that you may get done for it...but having said that, myself and many I know got caught without them and were let off...

Most cops are smart enough to realise that it's often mroe practical to do without them, as the sight of it generally leads to other road users acting like assholes around you.

let alone the whole 70km on the open road...freakin dangerous going that slow...

[WINJA]

don't see where you're coming from mate. you broke the law and you were fined for it, simple as that, take it like a man.

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

[SimJen]

Bugger, Dam cops. Sumtime its great been a girl, ya can get away with sum stuff (i ran a stop and was speeding, he pulled me over, i was crying so he let me off and told me to go home )

Jeez, thats the sort of discretion Im talking about. If you were a guy you would have had big fines.

Nobody has to 'justify' the fine - that is what it IS! it wasn't made up by the cop, the man KNEW if he was pinged that's what the fine would be.
And how many times do you expect somebody to be let off due to discretion?? Once? a hundred times???
Revenue gathering? - he GAVE it away, after all, it was so easily avoided eh?

Exactly my point regards discretion, you can never know if the cop will or won't hand out a fine, thats why the law needs to be fair and just and not just a blatant fat cash cow. If the law stated no L-Plates was $100 fine (quite a fair amount as it has no safety issues to be dealt with) then you'd expect a fine of $100 if the plate was not shown. As it currently stands you get a cop whos a cunt and he gives you a ticket for $400, get a cop whos a decent bloke, if you can find one and he lets you off. Wheres the justice in that?
No point whinging though its not going to change, no point writing to MP's either, they can't do squat.

[Finn]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

So we have met before mate. That bitch had it coming though, fancy asking me to pick up my own dogs turd. So how did your sodomy case go? I was on your side, that kid did look 16 but calling the judge a stupid cunt wasn't very wise.

[SPman]

proves a point, most cops are wankers.......
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Unfortunately, as in most regulatory services these days, becoming more and more true!
And totally disproportionate, fuckwit fines, certainly dont help....and the Beauracrats wonder why more and more people dont give a rats arse about serious crimes, when they are being hit with bullshit fines for very minor things....

[k14]

THE GUY IN FRONT OF ME IN COURT GOT A $30 FINE AND AN ANGER MANAGEMENT COURSE FOR RANDOMLY PUNCHING ABOUT 10 PEOPLE ON THE STREET , ONE OF THEM WAS A 40ISH YEAR OLD WOMAN WHO WAS OUT SHOPPING , SHE LOST A TOOTH , AND YOU THINK ITS SIMPLE AS THAT , THAT FUCKER SHOULDA GOT JAIL CAUSE THATS THE MAXIMUM FOR ASSAULT , SO WHAT RIGHT OR REASON WOULD A PIG HAVE FOR HANDING OUT A $400 FINE FOR NO L PLATE , HAVE YOU FUCKWITS ALL LOST YOUR SENSE OF FAIRNESS .
FUCK YEAH DO A RUNNER NEXT TIME

Yeah I agree with you there, the justice system in NZ is screwed up. But the facts still are that he broke the law and recieved the consequences of it. Its the law that is screwed up, not the people that are policing it.

[SPman]

You better scramble to get your fine knowledge up to speed or you're going to get some nasty shocks sunshine.

i.e. Used a Vehicle to Cause Annoyance to any Person - $600.

Yep, son of friends of mine got hit with that one...he "annoyed" a Senior Sergent by having a "boy racer" type , really tidy, clean car (this young guy is a perfectionist, his car was just really tidy), and accellerating to 50k at more than .00002G. No other reason. Defended in court, the cop changed his story 3 times, the kid had several witnesses to say his driving was inoffensive (and knowing him, I would believe him), people before him were getting hit with $400 fines for drunk driving...he gets hit with $600 !
He sold the car, bought a van (He's an apprentice chippie) and now has no respect at all for any law enforcement agency or enforcer.when,beforehand, he held them in reasonable respect.He thinks they are all a pack of cunts!
Yeah - how to win hearts and minds , eh........

. Its the law that is screwed up, not the people that are policing it.

The people policing it are the public face of the law. If a few are cunts, then that is how the public perceive ALL of them!

[scumdog]

Why yours of course scummy.
I do mean that, if such a law were to be passed I would expect you to have the intellect and moral fortitude to say fuck that I am not going to enforce it etc.

.

So on those grounds if I were to like a toke or two I would see the drug laws as unreasonable and refuse to enforce them?

And if I was a pedophile........?

[loosebruce]

Got pulled once indicator bulb was out, etc etc cop said to me do you know how many L plates you can buy for the fine that it is for not having one, i asked him what an L plate was, is it a funny shaped numberplate, like an "L", he said No, and metioned i could get close to 40 of them, if he fined me, nice fella let me off. But now they got quota to make, and this was 5 odd years ago.

Oh and kneescraper, dont know if anyone has said this yet, but doing the runner on the open road on a 250cc 4 stroke is fucken dumb, you WILL get caught, a cop car is fast enough to keep up with FZR250, i know for a fact the HP can pass 200kph quite happily can you? around town is your best hope, but even then, you'll be pushing your luck.

[The Stranger:Me]

Not sure if you are being serious here or merely an argumentitive prick

Ok you win, I accept that you are incapable of being reasonable and thinking for your self.

[Ixion]

Under who's eyes would the be stupid, unjust or immoral?

The tinny-house man probably sees the drug laws as stupid and unjust.

But may not we, the public, reasonably expect our police force to exhibit commonsense and good judgement. Which is really what "discretion" is about- judgement and appropriate response in the given circumstances. Both attributes that I would think to be of great importance in a policeperson .

There are many laws that are not strictly enforced - not just in the context of traffic law. Go to any rugby game and enforce the strict letter of the law and the majority of the spectators and both teams playing would be locked up before the game was over.

The tinny house man may indeed see the drug laws as stupid - but he does not carry the Queen's warrant.

[Beemer]

Fair enough if they want to have rules and regulations, but $400 to me is really ridiculous. I don't think it is endangering your life or those around you to any great extent - and if you were speeding, the fine would be significantly less! But speed kills, doesn't it?

[inlinefour]

When I see a motor cyclist displaying an L plate the first thing that I think of is, "good, there's a biker who is abiding by the rules", and I won't even think about stoping them unless they are breaking some other law that brings them to my attention first.

If I sticka L plate on my 600 can I expect the same treatment?
Bummer about the fine, guess you have learnt the hard way. The law is the law and I'm sure that you knew that you needed tp display the thing. Also, maybe if you had not been speeding then you might have not been noticed? Might have to take it to court and pay it off on weekly installments?