Submission on proposed Auckland congestion charges

[Blairos]

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[Skyryder]

Where do I find this arpes document??

Skyryder

[Ixion]

http://www.transport.govt.nz/business/land/arpes/

[Zed]

good onya Adam!

[adamww]

Its good to see everyone getting on board with this.
Don't forget to contact those you know who have not yet made a submission.
Power is in numbers, the more the better, even if they are not as detailed as some of the examples in this thread, good simple comments are just as valid.

[sAsLEX]

2-3million is expended per death in a variety of publicly funded services from police to coroner to ACC funded funerals. No one is protecting you, they are recovering costs.

but hey they saved a few dollars in construction by using cheese graters which instead of nicely deflecting a fallen rider, removed three of their limbs and now requires constant care and special vehicles and home modifications costing ACC millions of dollars for their remaining life time.

EDIT thiefed Ixion's one, stupid website didnt like Firefox, explains alot about the Government only supporting MS and not Open Source.........or maybe my comp is being a dick?! Who knows?

[Ixion]

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EDIT thiefed Ixion's one, stupid website didnt like Firefox, explains alot about the Government only supporting MS and not Open Source.........or maybe my comp is being a dick?! Who knows?

No, it doesn't support Firefox. Or Opera. Or Netscape. I've complained about that, not heard back yet though

[_Gina_]

Now I wait for the great news that motorcycles will be excluded!!

[Hitcher]

There are two clearly separate issues here:

1. Should motorcycles have to pay to use toll roads? Of course they should, but at a lesser rate than other motor vehicles, based on gross laden weight or some relevant formula.

2. Should motorcycles be exempt from measures designed to reduce road congestion? Possibly, depending on other measures that are applied. A fundamental issue is reduction in usage of carbon-based fuels, atmospheric emissions and other environmentally-sound measures. There is little achieved by forcing people out of their cars and onto motorcycles. Better public transportation has to be the priority, and if congestion revenues are applied to fund this, then that has to be good.

[Grahameeboy]

My 2 cents worth

I do agree with the need to reduce traffic congestion, however, for example with just 1 direct bridge from North Shore to Auckland City should motorists pay for this inadequacy by the Govt when the issues of traffic from North Shore were apparent soon after the bridge was originally built, hence the Nipon Clipons.

What about vehicles with disabled people. I have a disabled Daughter, normally take the ferry but otherwise I have no choice but to use the bridge / motorways because public transport ie buses are not adequate. Disabled carriers should be exempt from the Road Toll because they do not have a choice.

I disagree that motorcycles should pay a toll / same toll. Motorcyles are not a congestion magnet like cars plus the Vehicle Registration fee for motorcycles is higher than cars. This implication contradicts the policy of reducing traffic congestion.

Plus, a small point maybe but motorcyclists wear gloves so they will have to stop longer and fiddle about which will not help the traffic flow and often they keep wallets etc under the seat or in a rucksac so they will have to stop, dismount, remove seat / take rucksac off etc to pay the toll....unlike in a car when you have money immediately ready and you are through the toll in seconds.

Cheers.

[The Stranger:Me]

There are two clearly separate issues here:

1. Should motorcycles have to pay to use toll roads? Of course they should, but at a lesser rate than other motor vehicles, based on gross laden weight or some relevant formula.

2. Should motorcycles be exempt from measures designed to reduce road congestion? Possibly, depending on other measures that are applied. A fundamental issue is reduction in usage of carbon-based fuels, atmospheric emissions and other environmentally-sound measures. There is little achieved by forcing people out of their cars and onto motorcycles. Better public transportation has to be the priority, and if congestion revenues are applied to fund this, then that has to be good.

Re 2 - emissions are not relavent. That has not even been discussed in the documents that are the subject of this thread. Busses and trains polute more per passenger than do cars or bikes, essentially because of their higher weight per passenger. If emissions were a concern they would not be trying to move people to public transport. Also whilst there is a myth about how bad motorcycles polute I would like to see evidence to support this position. I have no doubt that on a PPM basis bikes are worse, but how many millions are produced by each.

And besides, many bike models are capable of meeting Californian emission standards, all could be bought into line over a period if that was a requirement.

[Back Fire]

confused the shite out of me... never really done this stuff so cheers Ixion

[Hitcher]

Re 2 - emissions are not relavent.

It may be helpful if you wrote down a list of the items we are supposed to agree with you about.

[Ixion]

Just agree with EVERYTHING we say comrade. You'll find it easier that way.

EDIT. Mr CaN is right, there is nothing at all in any of the proposals about emissions. Or pollution. Not in the pciture.

[The Stranger:Me]

[QUOTE=Hitcher]

Re 2 - emissions are not relavent. QUOTE]
It may be helpful if you wrote down a list of the items we are supposed to agree with you about.

Shit hitcher, you should know by now you are meant to agree with me on everything.
When I want your opinion I will give it to you.

No seriously, This thread is about the submissions to the proposed road tolling in Auckland and as such I would like to address the issues raised in the discussion documents on the govt web site. Although specific to Auckland at this stage I seriously view it as a motorcycling issue, and that is where I am coming from.