Politics

[Hitcher]

Make them hear us.

What, exactly, do you want "them" to hear?

Special treatment for Auckland motorcycle commuters may give such riders a hard on, but it doesn't help the overall problem of congestion and near total dependence of that city on private motor vehicles to move folk around.

From my observation, once Auckland motorcyclists succeeded in getting some dispensation, that would be the end of their interest in the bigger matter. The "I'm alright Jack. The rest of you can get fucked" attitude that some are quick to accuse non-Aucklanders of would then spread to another group who had been "bought off".

Either you're an Aucklander who has a genuine issue in solving the major infrastructural issues facing your community and your city, or you're not. I don't want to see motorcyclists unfairly discriminated against, but there are bigger issues at stake here.

[MSTRS:Me]

Well who's fault is it that bikers got apathetic in the 90's? Not mine! Maybe the people who have been biking since before the 90's should re-inact some of the things bikers did back then to change that.

It's not that I'm only interested in myself. It's that I couldn't give 2 shits about Auckland because they got themselves into this mess with no help. Why don't they get themselves out of this mess with no help?

It may just be young people. But the reason the young people are like this is because the older people taught us. Again, not my fault that you older people screwed things up and made the younger generation a pack of selfish, dim-witted de-generates.

Onya for sticking to your belief. I think you are not completely right, but that is only cos you don't have the benefit of 20/30/40/50 + years on this planet to be able to see (perhaps) beyond what is directly in front of you. I'm proud to call you 'Son'. Stick it to them!!! And don't take no shit.

[Qkkid]

comon guys you all have points even you guys in napier but what you dont realise is all motorways east west south and north are getting linked and so they should we are not a third world city/country far from it and yes i live in the heart of the city so i should know and yes we do pay a hell of alot of roadtax petrol tax so we deserve great roads and yes auckland has funded some of your lovely roads all round the country we should be united so as bikies we can have great roads every where to ride on.It is now time for auckland to catch up with cities ie like New Plymouth Napier Wangarei and south island roads even Christchurch has nice arterial routes around there city

[The Stranger:Me]

What, exactly, do you want "them" to hear?

Special treatment for Auckland motorcycle commuters may give such riders a hard on, but it doesn't help the overall problem of congestion and near total dependence of that city on private motor vehicles to move folk around.

From my observation, once Auckland motorcyclists succeeded in getting some dispensation, that would be the end of their interest in the bigger matter. The "I'm alright Jack. The rest of you can get fucked" attitude that some are quick to accuse non-Aucklanders of would then spread to another group who had been "bought off".

Either you're an Aucklander who has a genuine issue in solving the major infrastructural issues facing your community and your city, or you're not. I don't want to see motorcyclists unfairly discriminated against, but there are bigger issues at stake here.

Shit I had no idea how jealous and insecure the rest of the country was about Auckland. I always thought it was a bit of a joke. But seriously, you guys really need help.

Ok well the scheme is being mooted for both Wellington and Christchurch. I know little of the congestion in these cities, though have seen Wellington jambed severly the one time I was there. This information came out at the BRONZ national meeting in Dunedin on the weekend and just to be sure it came not from an Aucklander so it may be reliable.

Yes I am serious about Auckland's traffic, however I am more serious about supporting motorcycling.

Fuck, I thought, support motorcycling. I thought Join BRONZ, I thought give up my time and my holidays and WE can make a difference. Why bloody bother, I think my time would be better spent training to be a shrink and working with nut jobs in the provincial centres.

IT"S NOT ABOUT AUCKLAND, IT"S ABOUT MOTORCYCLES!!!

[MSTRS:Me]

comon guys you all have points even you guys in napier but what you dont realise is all motorways east west south and north are getting linked and so they should we are not a third world city/country far from it and yes i live in the heart of the city so i should know and yes we do pay a hell of alot of roadtax petrol tax so we deserve great roads and yes auckland has funded some of your lovely roads all round the country we should be united so as bikies we can have great roads every where to ride on

Yes, you are right, thanks for that. But, I would take issue that motorways are great roads to ride on...

[Qkkid]

to be honest i love the country back roads

[MSTRS:Me]

IT"S NOT ABOUT AUCKLAND, IT"S ABOUT MOTORCYCLES!!!

Yes, but it is about Auckland motorcyclists.......if the rest of the country isn't riding Auckland's roads, why should we have an official say? Except to bleat on a forum like this

[hXc]

Shit I had no idea how jealous and insecure the rest of the country was about Auckland. I always thought it was a bit of a joke. But seriously, you guys really need help.

That is exactly the reason I don't like Aucklanders. They are so fucking far up their own arses they never see the light. The light that is the rest of the country and the rest of the world. Aucklanders are a bunch of fucking toss pots when it comes to that sort of stuff.

They think the rest of the country should pay for their roads because they bring everything into the country and most things leave Auckland via roads. And all this stuff of the News about Auckland's roads etc etc. WE DON'T FUCKING CARE! Sort it out yourself!

Bunch of selfish wankers with nothing better to do than to complain about things. And when they do get around to trying to do something about it, they still want the rest of the country involved.

[MSTRS:Me]

to be honest i love the country back roads

Are there any left up your way back at ya

[Squeak the Rat]

I am happy to debate the merits of the auckland road tolls, concessions for bikers etc. But arguing Anti-Auckland sentiments pervasive in the rest of the country is getting old. Three of the most prevalent voices for bikers rights on this site are Aucklanders. They don't seem to be showing the "I'm alright Jack. The rest of you can get fucked" attitude as suggested. The work Big Dave is doing with the poll is a good example - that is not an Auckland issue, but a NZ biking issue.

If you see fit to judge us individuals because of the city we live in then that's your right.

But, if you want to have a say in something that could be a precedent for other areas of the country, or if you agree/disagree in principle, or even if you want to help out fellow bikers then consider making a submission.

End of my input.
STR

[Qkkid]

Are there any left up your way back at ya

shit yeahhhhhhhhh get your arse up here for may the 7th and we will show where the great roads are.back at ya

[Phurrball]

Firstly: It's not about all bikers. It's about Auckland's bikers.
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Well Auckland itself is a complete hole! No soul, no life, nothing! It's a concrete fucking city with nothing. They don't help me directly in any way and quite frankly, I couldn't give two shits if Aucklanders have to pay congestion charges.

I don't have to pay congestion charges: One) Because we don't have the traffic that Auckland does. Two) Because our roading system works and we use public transport.

Aucklanders are just too up themselves to pay a few bucks and take the bus. Or pay a few bucks and sit in a car with fellow workmates or people heading to practically the same place.

Well I didn't place a submission on Auckland's congestion because it didn't let me and because they don't help me in anyway, in fact they make things worse for me.

Are Aucklanders not bikers too? Just like you hXc. ALL biker gotta stick together.

I see plenty of full trains and buses up here in Auckers hXc, but I also see plenty of cars clogging the M/ways, and HEAPS of other bikers to wave to!(riding every assortment of eye candy!)

As for concrete jungle - maybe the CBD, but don't judge Auckers on Queen St alone. Are you refering to all of the cities in the greater Auckland area? I don't live in a concrete jungle - I live in a real jungle, with rainforest trees in my back yard in the Waitakere ranges, a couple of hundred metres from the Manukau harbour. It's beautiful, and I like it much more than a Dunedin boy ever thought he could.

Auckland is troubled in many ways - it would be a step or three closer to paradise if there was less urban sprawl and traffic (And a bit less farking rain!!!). I'd love to have been here a couple of decades ago to see this city then, but I wasn't around...

I used to think the way you do hXc, and I worked at a little independant BP with customers that ranted wildly about the blardy Aucklanders and their blardy roads the 'southerners' were allegedly paying for.

Then I engaged my brain and did the maths.

Others who have pointed this out already are quite right - Auckland gives more than it gets. This works in most funding situations where less population dense areas just cannot be self supporting.

We gotta function as a country, and like it or not, Auckland is an important part of our beloved NZ, and Auckland's roads are a problem for 1/4 - 1/3 of NZers. I figure that makes Auckland's roads a NZ problem.

(Just don't call me an Aucklander! I'm an Auckland resident OK! You can NEVER take the Dunedin out of this boy.)

[Ixion]

Well who's fault is it that bikers got apathetic in the 90's? Not mine! ..s.

Whose fault is it that bikers are still apathetic in the 2000s . Yours.

[MSTRS:Me]

I used to think the way you do hXc, and I worked at a little independant BP with customers that ranted wildly about the blardy Aucklanders and their blardy roads the 'southerners' were allegedly paying for.

Then I engaged my brain and did the maths.

Others who have pointed this out already are quite right - Auckland gives more than it gets. This works in most funding situations where less population dense areas just cannot be self supporting.

We gotta function as a country, and like it or not, Auckland is an important part of our beloved NZ, and Auckland's roads are a problem for 1/4 - 1/3 of NZers. I figure that makes Auckland's roads a NZ problem.

(Just don't call me an Aucklander! I'm an Auckland resident OK! You can NEVER take the Dunedin out of this boy.)

Good points. But the fact remains that the rest of the country feels putdown by Aucklanders so obviously will not feel too keen to help then when asked.

[The Stranger:Me]

That is exactly the reason I don't like Aucklanders. They are so fucking far up their own arses they never see the light. The light that is the rest of the country and the rest of the world. Aucklanders are a bunch of fucking toss pots when it comes to that sort of stuff.

They think the rest of the country should pay for their roads because they bring everything into the country and most things leave Auckland via roads. And all this stuff of the News about Auckland's roads etc etc. WE DON'T FUCKING CARE! Sort it out yourself!

Bunch of selfish wankers with nothing better to do than to complain about things. And when they do get around to trying to do something about it, they still want the rest of the country involved.

Fuck you got it bad man.
You don't work for the postal service do you?