Politics

[James Deuce]

Big picture hXc - we all live in this country. If we all had the attitude that we should only care about our own back yards, then NZ would be in a sorry state.

No it wouldn't, it would improve drastically. The major problem is that it only look after our own backyards. If we extended our personal care zones to include our immediate neighbours we might redevelop a community based mindset.

[Qkkid]

thank you jim2 now thats intelligence for ya hxc he has run away to hide

[The Stranger:Me]

Well who's fault is it that bikers got apathetic in the 90's? Not mine! Maybe the people who have been biking since before the 90's should re-inact some of the things bikers did back then to change that.

It's not that I'm only interested in myself. It's that I couldn't give 2 shits about Auckland because they got themselves into this mess with no help. Why don't they get themselves out of this mess with no help?

It may just be young people. But the reason the young people are like this is because the older people taught us. Again, not my fault that you older people screwed things up and made the younger generation a pack of selfish, dim-witted de-generates.

We have one huge advantage over the bikers in the 90's.
The internet. There are about 45,000 registered motorcycles (a little less if recall correctly) there are over 4,500 members on this site.

How else could you reach that percentage of people back then? And in what time frame?

The point is we can as never before make a difference. But as Dave says, it requires EVERYONE to do a little bit to make a big difference.

[Big Dave]

No it wouldn't, it would improve drastically. The major problem is that it only look after our own backyards. If we extended our personal care zones to include our immediate neighbours we might redevelop a community based mindset.

An area where everyone, nationally, contributes to the same community coffer is the case in point.

[BuFfY]

I know what it is like to be a youngin' in this country who hates auckland... That is how I was bought up!! I have lived in Christchurch and Wellington (and Gore) And when I was 14 my mum told me we were moving to Auckland. I was soooo angry!
I live in Whangaparaoa... which is a fair distance from Auckland itself... and I don't consider myself an Aucklander... when asked where I am from I have no idea what to say!
My point is... people who haven't lived here and who have had negative ideas about Auckland borred into their heads their whole lives can not be held responsible for having these views... you know what you know!
For me... I love sitting in the traffic (in my car). Living NEAR Auckland means that I now expect to travel atleast 30 mins if I want to get anywhere and I am fine with that!
Getting all angry at each other and attacking each other is not going to solve this problem! The energy would be much better off being used to do something proactive... even if it isn't related to this thread!!

[Phurrball]

No it wouldn't, it would improve drastically. The major problem is that it only look after our own backyards. If we extended our personal care zones to include our immediate neighbours we might redevelop a community based mindset.

I agree wholeheartedly Jim2 - I didn't put that quite as well as I could have - but one shouldn't do that to the exclusion of everyone else's communities - a coordinated approach is helpful. I'm lucky that I live in a wee valley where such a sense of community does exist - and Shock! Horror! - it's within the greater Auckland area no less!

[The Stranger:Me]

No it wouldn't, it would improve drastically. The major problem is that it only look after our own backyards. If we extended our personal care zones to include our immediate neighbours we might redevelop a community based mindset.

Ever see the movie "A beautiful Mind" staring Russell Crowe?

Adam Smith needs revision . . . If we all go after the blonde we block each
other. Not a single one of us is going to get her. So then we go for her friends.
They will all give us the cold shoulder because nobody likes to be second
choice. What if no one goes for the blonde and we don’t insult the other girls?
That’s the only way we win. That’s the only way we all get laid . . .
‘Adam Smith said that the best result comes from everyone in the group doing
what’s best for himself. Incomplete . . . The best result would come from
everyone in the group doing what’s best for himself and the group . . .Governing
dynamics, gentlemen, governing dynamics . . . Adam Smith was wrong.’

[Ixion]

Yep. The underlying fault of capitalism. Cooperation beats competition on the societal level.

[The_Dover]

Fuck that.

The blonde is mine.

[ManDownUnder]

That’s the only way we win. That’s the only way we all get laid . . .

Except the blonde... or is she enjoying the "invisible hand"??

[The Stranger:Me]

Yep. The underlying fault of capitalism. Cooperation beats competition on the societal level.

Yeah well the movie was actually incorrect, it wasn't the best outcome.

The best outcome would have been for the others to agree and nash to wait a minute and hit on the blonde, so everyone gets laid but one has a bigger smile.

Up with capitalism.

[MSTRS:Me]

No it wouldn't, it would improve drastically. The major problem is that it only look after our own backyards. If we extended our personal care zones to include our immediate neighbours we might redevelop a community based mindset.

You sure? We still have 'that' neighbour....

[Jantar]

I was born in the NI (Welly), but I received all of my culture and (essentialy) all of my education in the south.

I think that qualifies my distinction. I'm a Dunedinite and South Islander through and through.

You may claim to be a southerner, but born in Wellington, choosing to live in Auckland, says otherwise.

[Jantar]

I was born in Otago, and although I lived in the Waikato for many years I am now back in Otago. I made a submission, not because I am overly concerned with problems that are confined to Auckland, but because some of the issues do involve the whole country.

HXC and the other Napier posters on this thread, are quite correct. Most people in this country are fed up with all the attention that Auckland receives. Aucklanders should stop moaning about how they pay much more that they receive, because the rest of the country is in exactly the same boat. Only a fraction of the money that is extracted from us for "Roading" actually goes back into roads, and even then it is only the nationaly important roads that our road funding is spent on. The great majority of roading is funded by local councils and rate payers, not taxpayers or fuel users.

However lets put all those red herring issues to oine side and look at the main point. Auckland is congested. Wellington and Christchurch are heading that way. If these charges are applied in central Auckland thyen it won't be long before the other main centers start charging as well.

The part of this that affects us all is that they are proposing that this charge will apply to State Highway 1. Christchurch has a bypass, Wellington and Auckland do not. If a motorcyclist from Dunedin wishes to travel the length of the country, he could end up paying this congestion charge to pass through, even if he has no wish to visit the city imposing the charge.

HXC, I'd ask you this: Are you prepared to pay $20 extra for a return trip from Napier to the Bay of Islands because of Auckland's congestion?

Auckland submitters, I'd ask you this: Are you prepared to ask the government to remove the two Auckland surcharge's that the rest of the country have to pay to subsidise your roads and your petrol pipeline?

[The Stranger:Me]

I was born in Otago, and although I lived in the Waikato for many years I am now back in Otago. I made a submission, not because I am overly concerned with problems that are confined to Auckland, but because some of the issues do involve the whole country.

HXC and the other Napier posters on this thread, are quite correct. Most people in this country are fed up with all the attention that Auckland receives. Aucklanders should stop moaning about how they pay much more that they receive, because the rest of the country is in exactly the same boat. Only a fraction of the money that is extracted from us for "Roading" actually goes back into roads, and even then it is only the nationaly important roads that our road funding is spent on. The great majority of roading is funded by local councils and rate payers, not taxpayers or fuel users.

However lets put all those red herring issues to oine side and look at the main point. Auckland is congested. Wellington and Christchurch are heading that way. If these charges are applied in central Auckland thyen it won't be long before the other main centers start charging as well.

The part of this that affects us all is that they are proposing that this charge will apply to State Highway 1. Christchurch has a bypass, Wellington and Auckland do not. If a motorcyclist from Dunedin wishes to travel the length of the country, he could end up paying this congestion charge to pass through, even if he has no wish to visit the city imposing the charge.

HXC, I'd ask you this: Are you prepared to pay $20 extra for a return trip from Napier to the Bay of Islands because of Auckland's congestion?

Auckland submitters, I'd ask you this: Are you prepared to ask the government to remove the two Auckland surcharge's that the rest of the country have to pay to subsidise your roads and your petrol pipeline?

Never in all my days have I seen such a load of utter bull shit.

Who gives a flying f*&k where the hell you are from? Either you care to support motorcyclists or bloody not.

So you don't get enough attention, don't winge about it, go talk to your mummy and daddy, it is thier fault you didn't get enough attention.
Where has any Aucklander moaned about paying more for your bloody roads? The moaning is always from small minded whiners down south. That argument is used as a rebuttal.

What bloody difference is a congestion charge going to make to a trip from Napier to the BOI? Fuck all, $6.00 a day, and only if you would be stupid enough to try and pass through Auckland during the morning peak, which would cost you $6.00 in additional fuel for idling anyway.

So off you go again about subsidising Auckland roads. Again another bitter twisted southerner complaining about Auckland getting "more than its fair share" when as per my previous rebuttal we already pay more. Note that is not a moan, it is a reply to your load of tripe.