Politics

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th April 2006, 10:21

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

We can assume with total confidence HXC gets his poor attitude from his folk's

You would have to be the ONLY person who, when he 'assumes', would make an 'ASS' out of YOU and YOU

**SixPackBack** · 28th April 2006, 10:23

Sounds like a yes to me!

**Qkkid** · 28th April 2006, 10:27

Originally Posted by Custard

Maybe if you listened to your parents a bit more you might not have the attitude you have.Just think about that statement hxc.You are old enough to take responsibility for yourself and your actions/attitudes. Get out there work hard if not get a good education ride your bike and not just in Napier ,outside your own little world.Think before you speak, im sure your parents dont like alot of your attitudes either i wonder how much red bling they give you hxc or do they only bling others?, i guess i will find out in a few posts

Thank you for ( PMS)guys for letting me know about the red blings not long before i find out now and

thanks for the green bling

**The Stranger:Me** · 28th April 2006, 10:35

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Meaning they will have more time to 'fix' the problems started by their forefathers....

We see this a lot. You refer to forefathers and Aucklanders as a group of people as if they have control over the things that need fixing.

How do I as a forefather and an Aucklander for that matter "fix" our problems?

We live in a democracy, you get to vote every so often. Often as not the bunch of candidates are career politicians who's only concern is re-election and will twist and turn, prostitute themselves to any vote buying idea and lie through their teeth, say one thing do another and be completely devoid of any morals.

There should be a maximum of 2 terms in parliment so as to stop career politicians, the root of all evil.

They have become so distrusted that now people disregard things like honesty and integrity when voting. Things like Winston Peters abuse of privelige, Jim Anderton introducing the party hopping law then party hopping and not honouring the intent of his law. You have politicians with open disdain for the law (thinking drink driving and dope for a start) sitting in parliment passing laws which they expect us to abide by.

It has got to the point that the population accept and in fact reward this type of behaviour by returning the like of Jim Anderton to power.

Which decent honest citizen would actually want to sit in parliment? None would make it close, the ones that do are usually punised at the polls. Unfortunately, like procreation, IQ is not a requirement for voters.

So how do I as a forefather, or indeed hXc "fix" the problems created in the world? What steps do Aucklanders take to correct the traffic situation?

Robbie was right, but what good did it do him? He never had the ability to sort it out, he was always blocked. You have the poor misguided greenies saying ride a bus or ride a train that will fix the problem, yeah right. But enough misguided souls vote them in and screw it up.

Now this problem is nationwide. You who say it is the fault of Aucklanders are wrong. The problem exists every where, your neck of the woods is just a bit more population away from the same issues. Simply because the problem hasn't presented yet does not mean you got it right or something, you are just a bit slower is all.

So how does one "fix" the problems?

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th April 2006, 10:48

Originally Posted by CaN

We see this a lot. You refer to forefathers and Aucklanders as a group of people as if they have control over the things that need fixing.

How do I as a forefather and an Aucklander for that matter "fix" our problems?

So how does one "fix" the problems?

Mutual hand-wringing all round. This thread is ample illustration that no-one knows how. All suggestions have some merit, but isn't it our nature to decry anything that doesn't fit our own personal 'reasoning'? You are right about other cities just lacking the population to have the same problems of Auckland (yet). Any answer must include what is practical AND convenient for most ('all' is unrealistic). The non-Aucklanders rightly point out that it isn't their problem, just as Aucklanders rightly point out they are entitled to their share of funding for roads etc. The fact remains that - more roads = more cars = postponement of bullet-biting. I'm no Greenie, but I sense that an integrated public transport system is the only long-term practical solution.
I have to say that local government is no different to national government in that no country has the right to dictate another countries internal policies, and Wgtn (say) has no right to tell Auckland how to run things. That is why I won't put in a submission on Auckland's proposed charges.

**scumdog** · 28th April 2006, 10:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Mutual hand-wringing all round. This thread is ample illustration that no-one knows how. All suggestions have some merit, but isn't it our nature to decry anything that doesn't fit our own personal 'reasoning'? You are right about other cities just lacking the population to have the same problems of Auckland (yet). Any answer must include what is practical AND convenient for most ('all' is unrealistic)

Can't be any 'problems' in Auckland - otherwise why would people want to live there??

**Qkkid** · 28th April 2006, 10:53

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Mutual hand-wringing all round. This thread is ample illustration that no-one knows how. All suggestions have some merit, but isn't it our nature to decry anything that doesn't fit our own personal 'reasoning'? You are right about other cities just lacking the population to have the same problems of Auckland (yet). Any answer must include what is practical AND convenient for most ('all' is unrealistic)

Too be fair i am just glad that the roading issues are being sorted it has been a huge task for auckland because its so spread out and the city was built before road planning was really thought of, hopefully now we have a better bus service/bus lanes on motorways/main roads things are starting to change, change has to start somewhere

**Hitcher** · 28th April 2006, 10:56

Originally Posted by CaN

So how does one "fix" the problems?

In my experience, a problem can't be fixed until everybody first accepts and agrees that there is a problem. "Problem definition" is a mission critical starting point.

Congestion?
I don't own a car. It's not my problem.
I don't work in the city. It's not my problem.
I don't live in Auckland. It's not my problem.
The "gummint" ("They") will fix it. It's not my problem.

Or, just as ridiculously:

"My world view is the right one and adopting it will sort this problem."

Also, from my experience, complex issues can't be solved by applying "point" solutions. All of the options canvassed in the ARES documents are point solutions -- roading solutions to what is being sold as a roading problem.

Auckland has many infrastructure issues to deal with. Roading is but one. But all of the issues are inevitably intertwined and need to be considered together. I guess solving these problems, like running a marathon, starts with a single step. But I see no broader context or vision that allows this to make sense.

As a biker I acknowledge and accept The Truth that motorcycles are always the answer. But in this case, what's the question?

**Karma** · 28th April 2006, 11:48

How about we ignore all the shit about whos problem it is, and whether anyone else is going to lobby for aucklanders or not.

The real reason this stuff gets passed is because, and this is shown fantastically in this thread, all we (bikers in general) seem to do is bicker amongst ourselves without actually doing much.

I propose a demonstration.

Muster as many bikes as possible, and get them onto Queen Street... go slows? Could get some fliers and that made up to hand out and illustrate the problem?

Less talk, more action!

**Ixion** · 28th April 2006, 12:50

All this contention misses the point!

I can see why non-Aucklanders would not wish to make a submission about the actual road pricing proposal. If a scheme were mooted for Wellington, I would probably not comment on the scheme itself. I do not know Wellington, its roads, topology or problems. Any comment I made might be totally misinformed.

BUT- there is a broader , more biker-relevant point. Which ALL bikers should make a submission on

Here we have politicians putting together a very major proposal, which presumably they spent a lot of time on, and which was approved at Cabinet level. And in it the deliberately fail to give motorcycles credit for something that motorcycles do well. They briefly consider motorcycles, in about 3 or 4 words, then , in effect , say "Stuff them, we don't give a damn about motorcycles. They can like it or lump it" THAT is what all bikers should complain about - the blatant disrespect of our chosen mode of transport.

So, by all means say "I don't know stuff all about Auckland's congestion problems, and I don't care. I don't care about the road pricing scheme, and even think it's a good idea. But, ANY road pricing scheme ANYWHERE should exempt motorcyles or have a reduced rate for them "

**The_Dover** · 28th April 2006, 12:55

I blame the maoris.

All that money we waste on treaty claims would bring the roads up to MotoGP standards all over the country. Then we wouldn't need pigs revenue gathering and we could up the speed limits accordingly.

**Pixie** · 28th April 2006, 13:13

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Good points. But the fact remains that the rest of the country feels putdown by Aucklanders so obviously will not feel too keen to help then when asked.

Actually most aucklanders are oblivious to the rest of the country.
If you feel "put down",that is a construct of your own mind and personality.
It probably can be treated.