ACC Levy Submission

[The Stranger:Me]

ACC is calling for submissions re setting of next years ACC levy
Attached is a proposed response from BRONZ Auckland.

This would be a good time for bikers to have their say if they wish, so please feel free to comment on the response lest we have missed something, but way better still use this as a basis for your own responses.

It will carry more weight if you put it in you own words, but hey a basic copy and paste will be better than no response.

[Filterer]

Maybe Im missing something but could you either upload the original ACC document or a link to it please so i can read what this relates to

We think the comment, ‘Note 5’ on page 33 of the Consultation Document is being unfair as to singling out motorcyclists and no other vehicle class. We would prefer not to see comments like this in future documents.

I tend to agree with the idea of paying for ACC thorugh km's driven (especially for those with multiple vehicles,only one used at a time), only problems with it I can see is that a) drivers that do more driving are probably safer drivers ie most truck drivers and b) i kind of like paying for that kind of thing straight up, a one off cost like a RUC i would like better

IMHO

[The Stranger:Me]

Maybe Im missing something but could you either upload the original ACC document or a link to it please so i can read what this relates to



I tend to agree with the idea of paying for ACC thorugh km's driven (especially for those with multiple vehicles,only one used at a time), only problems with it I can see is that a) drivers that do more driving are probably safer drivers ie most truck drivers and b) i kind of like paying for that kind of thing straight up, a one off cost like a RUC i would like better

IMHO

The ACC Web site is here.

Yeah those who drive the most are the best drivers alright. Bus drivers and taxi drivers are just so courteous and observant aren't they.

In the case of trucks I understand that they are involved in significantly more accidents than their percentage of the vehicle fleet.

[Ozzie]

Can't find the specific document that BRONZ is refering to, can you post a more specific url please?

[The Stranger:Me]

Can't find the specific document that BRONZ is refering to, can you post a more specific url please?

Ok from that page was a Download the official consultation documents link and on that page, near the bottom is a link to click to open the PFD for Motorists.

Sorry I am too silly to figure out how to link strait to the pdf.

Please Let me know if you cant find it.

[Hitcher]

Not too bad an effort, BRONZ. Let's see what happens next!

[Ozzie]

Ok from that page was a Download the official consultation documents link and on that page, near the bottom is a link to click to open the PFD for Motorists.

Sorry I am too silly to figure out how to link strait to the pdf.

Please Let me know if you cant find it.

Thanks

http://www.acc.co.nz/wcm001/groups/p...im2_059553.pdf

[Ozzie]

What sort of un-petrol driven motorcycles are there?

[Swoop]

Acc through kilometers driven (petrol tax) is a good move. One registration fee for the person not the amount of vehicles the driver owns.

However this then puts additional cost onto non-roading/automotive uses of petrol, such as your lawn mower, scrub cutter, chainsaw, etc - and also particularly harsh on boat owners. Do the profits of the petrol tax (made from purchasing fuel for your boat) go into boating safety or the Coastguard service?

[Swoop]

What sort of un-petrol driven motorcycles are there?

And cars? I thought the gubbinment was encouraging bio-fuels???

[Ixion]

What sort of un-petrol driven motorcycles are there?

Royal Enfield. Diesel. And electric powered mopeds.

[Filterer]

In the case of trucks I understand that they are involved in significantly more accidents than their percentage of the vehicle fleet.

Ok well obviously taxis and buses don't count
I had thought that truckers had less accidents but I have no idea where I got that from, thanks for the link CaN and ozzie

[Filterer]

Acc through kilometers driven (petrol tax) is a good move. One registration fee for the person not the amount of vehicles the driver owns.

However this then puts additional cost onto non-roading/automotive uses of petrol, such as your lawn mower, scrub cutter, chainsaw, etc - and also particularly harsh on boat owners. Do the profits of the petrol tax (made from purchasing fuel for your boat) go into boating safety or the Coastguard service?

You raise a good point about boats and Im sure boaties would not be happy. I used to waterski race and at full speed on open water we would burn 1L/min. Some of the bigger boats running dual 300hps @100miles/hour would burn 4+L/min.

The only solution would be to pay at a different rate but thats to difficult to police, you could full your boat then transfer it into your car etc so its a bit of a no win. As for lawn mowers/weedwackers really do you need to complain about the extra $2 or so youll end up paying per year

[Ixion]

I believe you can apply for a refund of the tax paid on fuel used for boats. Certainly this was once the case. No idea how though

EDIT: Not the GST portion, though

[Filterer]

Doing some very rough calculations from the pdf on page 19

For every $10 drop in rego fee theres an increase in petrol levy of 0.8c

So to get rid of rego fee it would be an extra (130/10)*0.8 = 10.5c

so we would be paying a total of ~16c in petrol levies

...just in case anyone else was wondering what the extra cost would be