Oops I left the indicators on !!!

[Squeak the Rat]

Which is why the give way rule used in most other countries makes sense. Vehicle turning left has the right of way, and doesn't have to guess the other drivers intentions.

[The Stranger:Me]

Which is why the give way rule used in most other countries makes sense. Vehicle turning left has the right of way, and doesn't have to guess the other drivers intentions.

My brother pulled out of a side street on the "left turning" vehicle.

Wouldn't make a shit of a difference what give way rule applied, Lou's point remains valid - you still need to be sure the person is turning, not simply assume they are because they are indicating.

[Squeak the Rat]

Missed the bit about pulling out, thought he was turning right into the street.

You're right changing the give way rule wouldn't affect your scenario, but it would make a shitload of difference in the case of vehicles turning right into a street where the other vehicle is indicating but not intending to turn (which is what I assumed the original post was refering to).

[Ixion]

Which is why the give way rule used in most other countries makes sense. Vehicle turning left has the right of way, and doesn't have to guess the other drivers intentions.

Still wouldn't be certain. Car coming toward me indicating right. Oh good , he's turning down that side road up ahead , so I can make MY right turn . Oh shit he didn't turn , he's carried on straight ahead, toward me, he was indicating to turn further down, to my rear, and I'm right in his path and now he's hit me.

Give way rule is an absolute. You must give way. Full stop. Not "Must give way unless you think the other vehicle is doing blah". Of course we DO rely on other drivers indications of their intentions (indicators, hand signal, road positioning). But we get it wrong at our peril. If in doubt, give way.

[Naki Rat]

Hell I'm watching!!! Make sure it's somewhat expandable to add high beam and rev limit at a later date

Hmmmm. That's something I hadn't considered but definitely do-able. The rev function would require the bike to have a rev limiter fitted though.

[imdying]

Hmmmm. That's something I hadn't considered but definitely do-able. The rev function would require the bike to have a rev limiter fitted though.

If you just add an extra light that's activated by a high/low voltage trigger, I'll figure out my own rev based circuit to activate it

/edit: Even if I have to buy a shift light from repco and butcher it!

[rwh]

Strangely enough, if you do turn in front of a vehicle with it's indicator going but travelling straight through, you are guilty of failing to give way.
Case law says you MUST be certain the vehicle is turning before you can assume right of way.

Sounds fair. It's just a pity that when you're being careful like that, the car that is turning left assumes you're dithering or waiting because you don't know the rules, and gives up and goes anyway ... just at the same time you've decided you're ok (Wellingtonians: right from the Terrace into Salamanca Rd is where I usually see this)

Richard

[Naki Rat]

Sounds fair. It's just a pity that when you're being careful like that, the car that is turning left assumes you're dithering or waiting because you don't know the rules, and gives up and goes anyway ... just at the same time you've decided you're ok (Wellingtonians: right from the Terrace into Salamanca Rd is where I usually see this)

Richard

So how many examples do the lawmakers need to realise that this is one dumb and dangerous road rule. Overseas visitors can't fathom the reasoning behind it for sure.:slap:

Far better if we realigned our road rules with the rest of the world, and perhaps at the same time we could adopt the rule used in North America where it is legal to do a right hand turn (equivalent of a left for us) through a red light so long as the way is clear. How refreshing it would be to have a road rule that assumes the motorist actually has common sense!

[Moko Potaka]

I press in my indicator button every now and then, just incase.

-Indy

Im constantly pushing the indicator button just making sure its not on,its become second habit.just like kicking the stand when you take off after parking up.

[pixc]

Give way rule is an absolute. You must give way. Full stop. Not "Must give way unless you think the other vehicle is doing blah".

Agreed.

Indicators are called such because it is to 'suggest' or 'demonstrate'. Its only an indication not a definate. Maybe they should have been called Definators instead.

[jim.cox]

or a change of habit. Cheaper and full proof. I don't take my thumb off the indicator switch until I have finished using them.

That is a really good idea

I will be trying that from now on

Cheers

Jim

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