Nosey people!

[Spyke]

When the cunt that killed the girl on the beach was asked twice to "STOP" he should have realised that there was a backlash. Sadly he didn't and look at the result.

Feel free to ride your bucket up and down my street whenever you please and I will treat you like the last prick that made my walls shake when I was watching the Spanish GP and I will ride alongside you and boot you into oblivion. PM me for the address arsewipe

How smart can you be riding at night with no lights on! plus at a busy time like new years on a beach where there are no guides to show people where to ride and walk.

i'd like to see my old bucket rattle your walls, sadly it would need a fart can attached and i'm not into that kind of crap .

[Ixion]

Good old ACC, covers the biker but who pays the funeral expenses..........in the UK this would be covered..........just a small example.

Now if the deceased had been a Father with 2 kids, so dependants, who covers that.....ACC? Nop. Govt? Nop. Insurance? Yes

Your ignorance is lamentable. As the lass died from an accident, ACC will cover funeral costs. If the decesaed had been a father, ACC benefits are payable to the surviving partner and children.

I suggets you actually read what ACC is and what it does. Your undertsanding of it is totally flawed . The legislation is here .

(Incidentally it is very unlikely that the biker will be eligable for any ACC payment. Why do you suppose he would be ?)

EDIT : I've simplified it for you.

69Entitlements provided under this Act
(1)The entitlements provided under this Act are—
(a)rehabilitation, comprising treatment, social rehabilitation, and vocational rehabilitation:
(b)first week compensation:
(c)weekly compensation:
(d)lump sum compensation for permanent impairment:
(e)funeral grants, survivors' grants, weekly compensation for the spouse [or partner], children and other dependants of a deceased claimant, and child care payments.
(2)The entitlements provided under this Act also include the entitlements referred to in Parts 10 and 11.

I also omitted earlier the lump sum comensation (up to $100000 ). In addition to all the rest.

[Ixion]

But the point is...if an accident isn't my fault then why the hell should take a 20% wage drop. I've been paying my ACC for a couple of years....I've still to get a straight answer form them as to how much they'd pay me should I get injured.

And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK. If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.

[The Stranger:Me]

EDIT: just to let people know this is the first thing i have ever done that has annoyed anyone in our street.

You're just not trying hard enough then.

[Grahameeboy]

Your ignorance is lamentable. As the lass died from an accident, ACC will cover funeral costs. If the decesaed had been a father, ACC benefits are payable to the surviving partner and children.

I suggets you actually read what ACC is and what it does. Your undertsanding of it is totally flawed . The legislation is here .

(Incidentally it is very unlikely that the biker will be eligable for any ACC payment. Why do you suppose he would be ?)

EDIT : I've simplified it for you.


I also omitted earlier the lump sum comensation (up to $100000 ). In addition to all the rest.

Fair enough I was not aware of that so that puts things in a different light for me although Ixion you could be more polite in your manner of explanation which to be honest seems to escape you in debate.

Debate is a education tool

[Grahameeboy]

And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK. If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.

Geeze Ixion, he was just raising a point and you hurl into one.....

[Badcat]

cus they are losers once my neighbour had a go at me because as i was changing mufflers i gave my bike a blip on the thorttle....he comes over blah blah blah, even standard it's too noisy blah blah blah...left the can on for the day....next morning leave for work......bop bop bop bop....**no muffler at all** ** just a plate partly covering the zorst for some backpressure**....leave the streeet bwarrrrrrppp...19k rpm...everytime i would come home chop it down through the gears...at 18 or 19 thou rpm... get ot the bottom of my uphill drive rev the snot out of it to get it up....

did this for four days, then put the muffler back on....

never ever complained again since.

some people are just cunt's ,
...if you want peace and quiet go live on the moon, not in fucking suburbia....WANKERS

you're right skidmark.
some people are just cunts.

[scracha]

And if you wish to you are totally at liberty to take out insurance to cover the other 20% (or any other percentage I guess) . Just as you would have to in the UK.

No...THEIR compulsory insurance would pay my 100%...not mine (as I wouldn't be at fault).

If you are too lazy, cheap or unmotivated to do so (and bear in mind in your Arcadian UK you would have no choice but to), then that is YOUR decision. Don't whine and whinge to us because you can't be bothered to sort yoruself out. Self responsibility, eh what.

Eh? I've to sort myself out? It's my fault if another driver is too lazy, cheap and unmotivated to take out third party insurance to cover their actions? In my arcadian UK I'm only compelled to take third party insurance. In my arcadian UK I only NEED to take out third party insurance as I don't realistically have to worry about being left out of pocket by some uninsured fucktard and losing 20% of my earnings.

I don't actually believe in comprehensive insurance...if I'm stupid enough to crash my vehicle or hurt myself then I should pay for it. Plus it makes me a lot more careful. However, I'm no so arrogant to believe I'll never smack into someone's supercar or cause others injury so I take the precaution of 3rd party insurance.

[Grahameeboy]

No...THEIR compulsory insurance would pay my 100%...not mine (as I wouldn't be at fault).

Eh? I've to sort myself out? It's my fault if another driver is too lazy, cheap and unmotivated to take out third party insurance to cover their actions? In my arcadian UK I'm only compelled to take third party insurance. In my arcadian UK I only NEED to take out third party insurance as I don't realistically have to worry about being left out of pocket by some uninsured fucktard and losing 20% of my earnings.

I don't actually believe in comprehensive insurance...if I'm stupid enough to crash my vehicle or hurt myself then I should pay for it. Plus it makes me a lot more careful. However, I'm no so arrogant to believe I'll never smack into someone's supercar or cause others injury so I take the precaution of 3rd party insurance.

That's right, coming from the UK we have learned accountability which is my only gripe with ACC.

Never understood how in NZ you can break the Law ie drink and drive yet still be given the red carpet treatment (Legislated by Govt) if you screw up. If ACC took extreme circumstances like this into account when considering claims, maybe, and I guess it is a big maybe, potential offenders may think twice.

Trubs is that NZ want to have self accountability which is why they complain about the Anti-Smacking Laws etc when they don't realise that they need to be legislated.

Thats me in the poo now....

[Oscar]

That's right, coming from the UK we have learned accountability which is my only gripe with ACC.

Never understood how in NZ you can break the Law ie drink and drive yet still be given the red carpet treatment (Legislated by Govt) if you screw up. If ACC took extreme circumstances like this into account when considering claims, maybe, and I guess it is a big maybe, potential offenders may think twice.

Trubs is that NZ want to have self accountability which is why they complain about the Anti-Smacking Laws etc when they don't realise that they need to be legislated.

Thats me in the poo now....

The whole point of ACC is that it's "no fault".
As soon as you start attributing blame, you get the lawyers involved.

[scracha]

I can never understand why people should leave their own country and come to another, only to immediately set to whining and moaning and demand that their new abode should change itself to be the same in every way as the one they left.

So I presume you're typing this from your whare then Ixion?

[Grahameeboy]

The whole point of ACC is that it's "no fault".
As soon as you start attributing blame, you get the lawyers involved.

I know but that is what is part of the problem which is where the accountability comes in.

A country that pays for someone stupid enough to drink and drive and break the Law when they spend money on anti-drink drive campaigns but then will happily spend $$$''s paying someone who ignores the campaign has to look at itself.

Like I said a lot of people moaned about the anti-smacking law because it was a waste of time etc and was telling them what to do yet the same people advocate ACC paying for drink drivers.

As you know disability is my boat. A drunk driver who is crippled gets a mobility van whether they are able to drive it or not. I had to find $25,000 to by a mobility van because Nats, who was born disabled, cannot drive it so I do not get help...go figure.

You may say it's different depts, however, ACC. Income Tax is just tax to the Govt so at end of day the Banker is the Govt.

Drink Driving / Unlicensed Drivers / Disqualified Drivers doesn't require Lawyers as the facts speak for themselves.

It is 'Accident' Insurance but the above are pre-meditated. That is the difference.

[scumdog]

Sheesh...

We don't want compulsory insurance. Thats because we don't need it. In NZ, as you point out, ACC provides you accident cover. But it also means you can't be sued for your fuckup. . Good luck !

Fuckin' arse!

So my $30,000+ bike gets totalled and ACC pays?

"I don't think so Tim"

The insurance company of the 'innocent party' wil sue your arse off.

[davereid]

Quite right.. I was refering to personal injury not your vehicle.

But even with regard to vehicle insurance, making third part cover compulsory has the effect of making comprehesive cover very expensive. If you were to do a comparison, you may find its currently cheaper to voluntarily get full cover in NZ, than 3rd party is in countries where insurance is compulsory.

So if you only own one vehicle, and you are sure you will always be in the right, compulsory 3rd party is a good idea. But if you own several, it may not be that wonderful !

Plus, of course ACC covers even the unregistered for personal injury. Compulsory insurance is a bit like complusory rego, wofs etc. Not everyone bothers.

[Pixie]

Cos they're old. Old people always want to stop young people having fun. It's sort of like people are born with a certain amount of fun, and when they've used it all up they go through a sort of "fun menopause" and get all dry and withered and crabby and miserable.

The little known secret is that the body's store of fun is replenished by bike riding. Though I must admit it doesn't seem to wrok in all cases.

This is common to many mammals.
Ever noticed how calves, lambs,puppies etc. play when they are young and rarely when they are old?