Crappy cornering technique

[dipshit]

Go find a gravel road, or some reasonably slippery clay. Now, you will find that on a suitable bike you can steer the bike even if the front wheel is sliding against the turn (and can hardly therefore be countersteering). Be aware of course that you will probably fall off, because of that sliding wheel, but the point is that you CAN steer a bike without bar input (the steering will reflect through the bars).

Rear wheel steering in a slide is a different kittle of fish. Weighting the inside peg provokes more slide/turn. Weighting the outside peg increases grip and sends you more in a straight line.

Unless you are commonly sliding your bikes or riding with both hands off the handlebars... you are still making inputs through the bars whether you are aware of it or not.

The biking world does not end with sprots bikes , though its devilish hard to convince sprotsbikers of that.

All bikes still share the basic physics though. Even a push bike will behave in the same way even if you don't notice what is actually happening because they are so light and only need extremely small inputs.

[Ixion]

And why would that be reserved to two strokes?

Argue away, it doesn't take away from what BD said and the debate that started from it...

It's not. Just that it was common , unintentionally, on two smokers. Less so on four strokes.

[dipshit]

Old school two stroke riders will certainly have experienced coming out of a corner and having the front wheel lift as the bike hits power band.

GP riders make a lot of inputs through the pegs when accelerating out of corners.

The 500's were also spinning the rear...

[The Stranger:Me]

I think I know what I'm doing wrong....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Well, I'm going to disregard anything you say,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

I'm still waiting for The Stranger to say something constructive...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

Hang on, you were going to disregard anything I said anyway.

But here's a freebe none the less.
Be creative, try something new from time to time.

[piston broke]

imho,
i think we all counter steer.
it's just on some bikes it's more noticable than others.
my old '74 cb400f it was unnoticable,'beautiful machine'.
cb 900f2 i found i really had to push the opposite lock,counter steer, to get her round a bend.

[piston broke]

the easiest,safest way to feel what countersteering is,
is to hold a pushbike wheel by the axle spin it forward and lean it left or right and feel which way the cetrifical force moves you

[AlBundy]

Hang on, you were going to disregard anything I said anyway.

But here's a freebe none the less.
Be creative, try something new from time to time.

I have a short attention span... Anything stated earlier is easily forgotten....

Just as well it was a freebie, coz' I'd heard that before....

I at least hope you come up with some useful shit when you are mentoring, because there will be people relying on what you say...

[Ixion]

Well, in the immortal tradition of Sir Francis Bacon I put it to the test

I managed to successfully ride, tonight, ffwwabbitt down Puhinui Rd , along Plunket Ave, round the roundabout and along Cavendish Drv as far as the motorway, no hands (and therefore, no bar inputs).

Not a highly twisty route, but a roundabout and several bends and three 90 degree corners.

I must admit it was a wobbly process , but I was able to maintain a speed of between 40 and 70kph without undue problems. I had to stop at two of the corners (intersections),and I used the bars whilst starting off. And I had wedged a bit of tape between the twistgrip grip and the block as a poor mans frcition lock ,but it wasn't totally successful, so I had to make a few grabs for the throttle .

But, all in all, I can say that a journey of several kilometres was achieved without any bar input for steering (other than starting off from rest).

Any further validation shall be left to the Mormon Few, I'm sure their repetoire must include hands free riding.

I most certainly would NOT be prepared ot do that on the SV.

(And, I can also say that a motorbike packed in snow will not go rotten) .

[dipshit]

I managed to successfully ride, tonight, ffwwabbitt down Puhinui Rd , along Plunket Ave, round the roundabout and along Cavendish Drv as far as the motorway, no hands (and therefore, no bar inputs).

himmmm... interesting....

That just leaves one question. What the fuck's a ffwwabbitt..??

[jrandom]

Bikes steer from weight and balance.

Countersteering doesn't cause the bike to turn, it causes the bike to tip over.

Tipping a bike over causes the balance to shift, which is what makes it go around a corner.

If your hands are off the bars, you can wiggle your arse and move your torso and weight the pegs to achieve the same effect.

All factors vary based on the speed the bike's travelling at.

I personally have never run the numbers to determine exactly how much stability a bike gets from its spinning wheels, but I've always suspected that the gyroscopic component in any of the above is miniscule.

Fuck, why do we even have these stupid fucking threads?

Just go and ride your goddamn bikes, people. Typing about it on the internet won't make you any less likely to cock up.

[discotex]

Fuck, why do we even have these stupid fucking threads?

So we have something other than wave and bin threads?

[jrandom]

So we have something other than wave and bin threads?

You forget the "I saw a girl riding a motorcycle, and am now sexually aroused" threads.

[Hitcher]

You forget the "I saw a girl riding a motorcycle, and am now sexually aroused" threads.

Really? Where?

[discotex]

You forget the "I saw a girl riding a motorcycle, and am now sexually aroused" threads.

Oh yeah and the "who makes the ugliest bike" threads as well.

Really? Where?

Apparently there was a hottie carrying a helmet at uni recently.....

[Ixion]

himmmm... interesting....

That just leaves one question. What the fuck's a ffwwabbitt..??

Ah., The name is obvious, since it is a thumper, and I am very fond of Welch rarebit. And, since it is not painted pink , it obviously needed to be named Fflloyydd, or some derivation thereof. The spelling follows the rules of Welch orthography of course, so it is pronounced 'jason'

It is an Xt600E yamaha.