Here's one for all you back room lawyers

[HungusMaximist]

Back to the topic.

That cop went a bit too far with the whole licence thing and it's a complete cock up on their part. You don't need to a drivers licence to ride a push bike on the road. Period.

Surely the cops should've known better?

[CookMySock]

That cop went a bit too far with the whole licence thing and it's a complete cock up on their part. You don't need to a drivers licence to ride a push bike on the road. Period.

Surely the cops should've known better?

Of course they know better. It just pissed him off, so he thought he would try fuck someone over with some trumped up bullshit story and see if they bought it. But they didn't. End of problem.

It's no different to you or I driving on the road and getting angry and trying to "do something about it". His actions are called "the law", where yours are called road rage. They equally hold no weight in the eyes of the law. One of them is abuse, and the other one is abuse by the law enforcement agency. Do the math.

Steve

[Tank]

Of course they know better. It just pissed him off, so he thought he would try fuck someone over with some trumped up bullshit story and see if they bought it. But they didn't. End of problem.

It's no different to you or I driving on the road and getting angry and trying to "do something about it". His actions are called "the law", where yours are called road rage. They equally hold no weight in the eyes of the law. One of them is abuse, and the other one is abuse by the law enforcement agency. Do the math.

Steve

Bollocks! What a load of bollocks. To compare a road rage attack against a cop asking for a licence is ridiculous - even for you. And IF the cop asked for a licence it would most certainly hold more weight in a court of law than pulling someone off their bike and nutting 'em.

Regardless. This whole thread is something that 'happened to a mate' - truth be told there is something probably been lost in translation to the OP, or the story of the 'victim' is biased and missing stuff out. As is the KB way.

[PrincessBandit]

I'd like to know just how many 8 year olds on pushbikes have gone through a stop sign and been asked to "produce their licence" in accordance with their misdemeanour. If an under15-year old infringes traffic laws do they get asked for their non-existant licences??

[Ixion]

Bollocks! What a load of bollocks. To compare a road rage attack against a cop asking for a licence is ridiculous - even for you. And IF the cop asked for a licence it would most certainly hold more weight in a court of law than pulling someone off their bike and nutting 'em.

Regardless. This whole thread is something that 'happened to a mate' - truth be told there is something probably been lost in translation to the OP, or the story of the 'victim' is biased and missing stuff out. As is the KB way.

No it wouldn't . With a few freak exceptions a cop can only demand that you produce your drivers licence if you are driving a MOTOR vehicle. This was actually covered in great depth by the Privacy Commissioner when the photo licences were introduced in response to (well founded as things turn out) fears that the photo licence would become a defacto ID document.

[Katman]

But this is part of my personality that I use as a tool,

Remind me, which part of your personality isn't a tool?

[Mork]

Write in and defend it.....Theres no way he'll be made to pay it.....Some young copper who misunderstands the law......

[scumdog]

in addition, he was given a further ticket ($150/20 demerit points) for failing to produce his driver's license.
Any thoughts...?

Yeah, 'somebody' doesn't know what the real penalty for 'Fails to Produce Drivers Licence' is.

And a lot of the posters on here seem to blithely overlook that fact.......


But carry on, it's KB after all - where facts can be as scant as clothes on Gypsy Rose Lee yet all are free to 'voice' facts on topics the know so much about...

[The Stranger:Me]

what was this thread about again??

Riding with HID lights on full beam all the time.

[The Stranger:Me]

But carry on, it's KB after all - where facts can be as scant as clothes on Gypsy Rose Lee yet all are free to 'voice' facts on topics the know so much about...

Come on Scummy, we learnt this from the Police, you know, If you don't know the facts just invent them.



Just ask Skyrider.

[ukusa]

I'd like to know just how many 8 year olds on pushbikes have gone through a stop sign and been asked to "produce their licence" in accordance with their misdemeanour. If an under15-year old infringes traffic laws do they get asked for their non-existant licences??

I have had occasions where the bank have asked for my licence, I always refuse to hand it over. They say they need photo ID, a licence or passport will do. i tell them I have neither & they have to accept it. A drivers licence is for driving, not for biking, banking or flying. On a bike I would also refuse to show my drivers licence.

[steve_t]

I have had occasions where the bank have asked for my licence, I always refuse to hand it over. They say they need photo ID, a licence or passport will do. i tell them I have neither & they have to accept it. A drivers licence is for driving, not for biking, banking or flying. On a bike I would also refuse to show my drivers licence.

So, what does the bank say? Surely if they can't verify your identity they can refuse to serve you or refuse your application to open an account etc... ??

[Ixion]

No. They cannot . This (banks demanding photo ID) pisses me off. I have had arguments with them about it. many people do not have either a drivers licence or a passport (my mother, for one).

There is NO legal photo identification document in NZ. A drivers licence is exactly that. A licence to drive a motor vehicle . Not a personal identity card.

Think about it. If the banks position be accepted, and you have no passport. You lose your driver's licence and instantly you cannot access your bank account ! (how do you pay your fine for a start).

[Racing Dave]

Don't get hung up in the detail if I got the price wrong - I haven't seen the ticket, but had its contents related to me. The fact is, a ticket was issued for not producing his license.

[tigertim20]

No. They cannot . This (banks demanding photo ID) pisses me off. I have had arguments with them about it. many people do not have either a drivers licence or a passport (my mother, for one).

There is NO legal photo identification document in NZ. A drivers licence is exactly that. A licence to drive a motor vehicle . Not a personal identity card.

Think about it. If the banks position be accepted, and you have no passport. You lose your driver's licence and instantly you cannot access your bank account ! (how do you pay your fine for a start).

Thats quite interesting. I got a question for you though, (way off topic) How does it work with a Bar asking you for a license as ID? assuming you have no passport or 18 plus card? (having said that you did say there is NO legal photo ID document in NZ, so...)
Yeah so just wondering why bars only accept "photo ID", When I was on the door (2 years, head doorman" it was made clear to us "by the company we worked for" that the ONLY acceptable ID for entry was a License (NZ only) or a Passport, or a HANZ 18+ card. and that if they didnt produce one of the three, no entry. So how does that all work?
Having said that the bar was "private property" and we didnt have to give a reason for refusing entry anyway.
Would just be interested in your thoughts on all that?