Here's one for all you back room lawyers

**warewolf** · 7th May 2009, 10:50

Originally Posted by Tank

Its funny - I treat the police with respect and NEVER have I had the kind of problems others on here have.
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Being polite and nice (as you seem to expect them to do to you regardless) gets the same back.

Not rocket science - and it seems to work.

If only that were true!

Good one, got any more?

I've never been less than unflailingly polite, truthful and co-operative with the police. They have not always extended those same courtesies in return.

Unfortunately there are as many arsewipes in the constabulary as in the rest of the population.

**jim.cox** · 7th May 2009, 10:53

Originally Posted by warewolf

Unfortunately there are as many arsewipes in the constabulary as in the rest of the population.

Bzzt - wrong - there are more

The blue gang attracts more than its fair share of dull humourless fascists :(

**scumdog** · 7th May 2009, 16:45

Originally Posted by jim.cox

Bzzt - wrong - there are more

The blue gang attracts more than its fair share of dull humourless fascists

Just so's the public (who they came from) don't look so bad

**scumdog** · 7th May 2009, 16:51

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

But "wait here while I go check this" is not a valid and legal reason to detain you. They must explain to you under what section of the law you are being detained, and if they do not then you should ask them "am I being detained?" and "under what section of the law am I being detained", and if you do not receive a concise reply quite likely you are well within your rights to ride off.

If the pigs go into "we're not mucking around mode", then so should you.

Steve

It may be he's hanging onto the licence while waiting for Comms to confirm he can keep it because you happen to have 135 demerits??

And you are wanted for service of suspension notice??.

In that case if you are 'nice' he may well allow you to ride home before serving the notice and taking you licence.

Of course I bet a few on here are capable of talking the cop out of doing that..

**scumdog** · 7th May 2009, 16:59

Originally Posted by peasea

Actually, I'll take that back.

Get a gun and shoot the fuck. Far cleaner; you don't get any false testimony from the filth that way. Well, not the dead one anyway........

Ya must be ecstatic then about the events in Napier today eh?

**HenryDorsetCase** · 7th May 2009, 17:33

Originally Posted by sharknet

I think the point is that the only people who can LEGALLY ask for and expect to be shown a drivers licence are:

1. A police officer in relation to a traffic incident involving a motor vehicle, and,
2. A drivers licencing agency (LTSA for example) regarding the issue or replacement of a licence.

Bars ask, but have no legal right to do so, however they CAN refuse right of entry.

Basically you are not legally required to provide or carry ID in NZ.

but if you don't you may find it difficult to operate in this society. for example to operate or open a bank account (FTRA and such) or buy and sell a piece of real property. Both require a signatory to provide a copy of a valid photographic ID (drivers licence, firearms licence, passport, photo credit card etc).

so you can get as prissy as you like, you'll have no money and nowhere to live.

**Jantar** · 7th May 2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by scumdog

....In that case if you are 'nice' he may well allow you to ride home before serving the notice and taking you licence.

Of course I bet a few on here are capable of talking the cop out of doing that..

I can think of at least one unsafe son of unmarried parents who may fit that description.

**jrandom** · 7th May 2009, 18:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Of course I bet a few on here are capable of talking the cop out of doing that..

Mebbe.

Y'know, when I got nicked riding while suspended last year (yes, I'm a very bad man) the cop then gave me a lift about 60km across town during rush hour, from East Tamaki to Te Atatu. The same ride would've cost me about $100 in a taxi.

Seemed a decent chap. Didn't get the impression from him that arresting me and having my motorcycle impounded was anything personal.

**jrandom** · 7th May 2009, 18:07

Originally Posted by Ixion

Yes. providing false details is an offence in any circumstances.

I know. That wasn't my point; my point was whether a cop can or would arrest one if one set off his bullshit-o-meter while providing details without supporting documentation (in a situation not involving motor vehicles).

**Ixion** · 7th May 2009, 18:10

Yes. He can. Of course, if he got it wrong and your name really *was* Michael Mouse, it could be awkward for him.

**The Stranger:Me** · 7th May 2009, 18:10

Originally Posted by jrandom

Y'know, when I got nicked riding while suspended last year (yes, I'm a very bad man) the cop then gave me a lift about 60km across town during rush hour, from East Tamaki to Te Atatu. The same ride would've cost me about $100 in a taxi.

I hope you did the decent thing and invited him in for a drink and a smoke for his troubles.

**jrandom** · 7th May 2009, 18:15

Originally Posted by The Stranger

I hope you did the decent thing and invited him in for a drink and a smoke for his troubles.

I did, actually, but he had several hours left to go on his shift, and wasn't allowed anything psychoactive while on duty.

We also had an interesting conversation during the drive back about motorcyclists doing runners.

It reaffirmed the various opinions I had already held on the matter.

**ukusa** · 7th May 2009, 18:54

Originally Posted by Racing Dave

A chap I know foolishly rode his pushbike through a Stop sign, right in front of a police patrol. Quite rightly, he was stopped and ticketed for that. However, in addition, he was given a further ticket ($150/20 demerit points) for failing to produce his driver's license.

Of course you have to show your licence if you're riding motorbikes or driving. This original statement was about bicycles. I never carry my licence when on a pushbike, there is no law to say that you must, simple as that. What next, making it compulsary for your passenger to carry theirs or maybe carrying it while you're dirt biking off road?

**Madness** · 7th May 2009, 18:59

Originally Posted by Racing Dave

The cop's view was, as he was a road user, and had a valid driver's license, then he must carry it whenever on a public road, whether driving a vehicle that the license applies to or not.

Any thoughts...?

Sounds like a good enough reason to ride yer pushie on the footpath to me.

It's silly shit like this that degrades the public's opinion of the police. Shame really.