Pea gravel

[Sanx]

My particular peeve is that there is often not a "works end" and derestriction sign.

That in itself would not be a major issue. It is usually easy to see that there are no works

But there is another trick. Where there is a works/30kph sign. And obvious stuff going on. Then clear road with no sign of works. For several kilometres. Round a bend or so. "Hm, guess they forgot to put out the end signs. OK , back to 100mumble". Then round another bend , and more works. And after that a works end sign. So technically the bit of clear road in between was subject to the 30kph. But since they often do forget the end signs, how long do you ride with no sign of works before asusming it must be clear now ? I bet the cops love those ones.

I had a similar problem in the UK a few years back. Major roadworks on the M1 / M62 junction at Leeds. The road was restricted to 50mph for the length of the road works, but there was no de-restriction sign at the end of the works in either direction. I drove this road every day and knew there were no signs. So - I sped up when the cones ended. And then, one day, got pinged a mile or so later for breaking the temporary speed limit.

Decided the fight the ticket in court, and came armed with a video tape. The previous day, I'd gone out with a video camera and driven from said junction back to where I lived in Manchester (about 100kms). The video clearly showed there was no de-restriction sign at any point along the route.

The magistrates, much to the annoyance of the police prosecutor, agreed that in the absence of any de-restriction sign (and I had to show that I drove the road every day and knew there was no such sign) the temporary speed limit could only apply to the area in which there was work going on. Essentially, it then fell on the driver to use his common sense. The charge was thrown out, and I got my costs refunded plus compensation for a day off work.

I'm sure the same would apply here, but you'd have to prove that a) you drove the road regularly enough to know there was no such de-restriction sign, and b) you only sped up when there was no evidence of works; no cones, no new seal, etc.

[peasea]

My particular peeve is that there is often not a "works end" and derestriction sign.

That in itself would not be a major issue. It is usually easy to see that there are no works

But there is another trick. Where there is a works/30kph sign. And obvious stuff going on. Then clear road with no sign of works. For several kilometres. Round a bend or so. "Hm, guess they forgot to put out the end signs. OK , back to 100mumble". Then round another bend , and more works. And after that a works end sign. So technically the bit of clear road in between was subject to the 30kph. But since they often do forget the end signs, how long do you ride with no sign of works before asusming it must be clear now ? I bet the cops love those ones.

When I sat my bike license I got into some road works and there was no 'works end' sign. I rode at 30kph for ages, until the next 50kph sign I saw. The tester questioned me back at base but was in agreement that I did the right thing, even though it took forever to complete the circuit. (I passed as it happens but what if that were SH1 or somewhere? We'd have taken weeks to get home.)

[Big Dave]

i believe it's very painful.

[Bonez]

i believe it's very painful.

Peeing gravel?

[Mully]

i believe it's very painful.

Dammit, you beat me to it.

I was going to suggest getting a prescription from the doctor to clear it up.

[avgas]

Mabey cos im just hicksville BOP im used to it. Used to get at least 1 bike ass-off round coro per ride.
Aren't the transit guys the drop-outs from the Ministry of Works?

[Big Dave]

Dammit, you beat me to it.
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it's a gift.

[Big Dave]

Peeing gravel?

Apparently the most painful thing known to man.

[Bonez]

Apparently the most painful thing known to man.

It's a bit hard to swallow.

[geoffm]

Anyone got the legal case number, reference, etc of the previous case(s) where the council got sued and had to pay due to unsignposted roadworks? I think I will keep a copy in the archives, and everytime I come across this situation they will get a warning, and if it all goes wrong for me one day, then I have the ammunition ready.
If you do fall off on unsignposted roadworks, take a video (with time and date) ove the surrounding road to show there are no signs, to stop them putting the signs up later and denying all knowledge.
Geoff

[Big Dave]

Anyone got the legal case number, reference, etc of the previous case(s) where the council got sued and had to pay due to unsignposted roadworks? I think I will keep a copy in the archives, and everytime I come across this situation they will get a warning, and if it all goes wrong for me one day, then I have the ammunition ready.
If you do fall off on unsignposted roadworks, take a video (with time and date) ove the surrounding road to show there are no signs, to stop them putting the signs up later and denying all knowledge.
Geoff

Can't find it easily. He's a mate of Merv's...Chris?....Former Welligton Councillor and Musem hotel man. Report was in the Dom.

[Arthur]

In a sense I was lucky growing up on a gravel road - I know the process for laying down the road surface is much different between gravel and seal, and that should make you glad you aren't riding on purely gravel roads. The council sends out a grader (to cut costs they send out a light one - it costs less to purchase and has smaller running costs) which is meant to carve out corrugations and pot-holes - if it's a light grader it barely scratches the surface. The trucks come along and pour some new gravel, followed by the grader again to spread it the width of the road. On a well travelled gravel road (maybe twenty vehicles a day) it takes about a fortnight for the traffic to sweep the gravel to the center and sides of the road so you have something you can actually grip...

[sunhuntin]

In a sense I was lucky growing up on a gravel road - I know the process for laying down the road surface is much different between gravel and seal, and that should make you glad you aren't riding on purely gravel roads. The council sends out a grader (to cut costs they send out a light one - it costs less to purchase and has smaller running costs) which is meant to carve out corrugations and pot-holes - if it's a light grader it barely scratches the surface. The trucks come along and pour some new gravel, followed by the grader again to spread it the width of the road. On a well travelled gravel road (maybe twenty vehicles a day) it takes about a fortnight for the traffic to sweep the gravel to the center and sides of the road so you have something you can actually grip...

yeh... not much fun though when they do it in a street with houses. they did the road i live on a while back. it was left unswept for about a month... everytime i left and came home again, i nearly assed off due to the stones in the edge of the driveway. i was not impressed.

[speeding_ant]

Wellington city council is notorious for not putting signs up around the backroads of Hataitai. I have had several encounters with unsigned filled in holes. Came off on my old RG on one of them.. Not good!

We pay our regestration fees/petrol tax too! Well, most of the time.. Maybe its the lack of knoweledge/thought gone into most of the road works by the council. They should be more considerate to the two wheeled vehicles out there!