Double fatal crash, Rotorua (29 April)

[doc]

I'm with Katwyn, Youngtart and others defending sensibility. We don't know the actual circumstances in which the driver left wherever he left from or who was there and what was done to prevent him driving. I've also tried to deal with the odd alcoholic over the years and know that they can be very determined, cunning and very aggressive. The family has gone through a terrible time as have the family and friends of the riders. Negative and accussative talking won't help anyone. Get facts then play the blame game. Although, I'm not over there reading the papers, I don't think we even know if he was over the limit or not do we? It may have been something as simple as a kid kicking the steering wheel or the driver (being paranoid with no licence) looking over his shoulder for a cop???

This is getting like "Talk Back Radio" everyone is putting in an opinion but no one is listening, except to the last comment. People are just venting off. Go and watch TV or something. Until the truth comes out, when only those who have a connection are still interested.

[sunhuntin]

I was thinking out loud. The technology IS there it just isn't fitted to vehicles. If a breathylizer can beep when you exceed a certain level then it can operate a cut-out switch. Voice patterns aren't that hard to record and load into any vehicle's on-board computer. You can put voice instructions into cell phones for crying out loud. If the booze/security device were fitted at the time of vehicle construction the cost would be very little on the scale of things, I'm sure. Like putting insulation in an old house, it's a mish, but when you're building it... piece of cake.

yehhh, im a major techno phobe. takes me all day to work out a basic cell phone, never mind anything else.

sounds like a damn good plan though, and could be implemented with all vehicles, including push bikes.

[krash69]

well do we no any details of services for our fallen ridders as yet?

and im thinking of going to these even though i didnt no them.....just becoz of this dam mistake that will neva make sense to any of us......

all we can do is go on and hope this may put a drunk driver off from getting behind the wheel.....well at least one

[sunhuntin]

well do we no any details of services for our fallen ridders as yet?

and im thinking of going to these even though i didnt no them.....just becoz of this dam mistake that will neva make sense to any of us......

thats a good point. if they were local, services should be noted in the local papers.

[peasea]

thats a good point. if they were local, services should be noted in the local papers.

If someone gets the service details please post them. Even a card or a few flowers from fellow bikers (we all know each other in one sense, at least) would be well recieved, I'm sure. Some genuine solidarity here would be great.

[Smokin Joe]

Good idea, I would probably be a starter, a few guys on bikes to turn up to the funerals as a mark of respect and as representatives of all those who have been having their say on this thread would be a good idea.

Cheers,

Smokin

[peasea]

Good idea, I would probably be a starter, a few guys on bikes to turn up to the funerals as a mark of respect and as representatives of all those who have been having their say on this thread would be a good idea.

Cheers,

Smokin

I can't get away very often but I'll certainly send something if I can get an address and a date. You have my word.

[raster]

Thanks Yungatart, we went through the "Why didn't the family do something" emotion, thanks for putting it into perspective for us.

To the family and friends of all those affected, our heartfelt condolences (including the car drivers).
From Mrs Raster and I.

I would be interested to know when services are.

[jafar]

I have read some of the posting in here to do with giving the police even MORE power to stop carnage such as this, what are you thinking?? The police can't stop it any more than they can stop someone doing a wheelie !
The problem is with OUR ATTITUDE as a society. While it is still seen as acceptable to drive to the pub & drive home again nothing will change.

[krash69]

Good idea, I would probably be a starter, a few guys on bikes to turn up to the funerals as a mark of respect and as representatives of all those who have been having their say on this thread would be a good idea.

Cheers,

Smokin

im so in as we need to do this for the support of those families and kids.......i most diffinitly bean in on my bike to pay respects........even though i never meat these fallen ridders.........

so lets see if we can have a good show up of bikes for these ones who are suffering at this time.......

[krash69]

just herd that "leons" service is tomoro......
2pm at the mount harbour chapel......

i was just informed of this from fdg....via a mate who nose sumone hair for that service

[raster]

Someone, Please pass on our regards.

I will take some time out at 2pm tomorrow.

Raster and Family

[festus]

if some member of my own family did this exact same thing, i would not want the pity of strangers. hes a murderer, plain and simple, and i would seek to distance myself from their name as best as possible.

MATE!........ family is family, do you actually have any?

I'd stick to my family through thick and thin!

Blood is thicker than water!.

Would never abandon my family, ashamed you live in Wanganui.

[peasea]

just herd that "leons" service is tomoro......
2pm at the mount harbour chapel......

i was just informed of this from fdg....via a mate who nose sumone hair for that service

Mount Harbour Chapel
416 Maunganui Road
Ph (07)575 4122

Many chapels have in-house floral deals, just ring, give a credit card number and state your verse. It'll get passed on.

[Reckless]

make much bigger sentences availiable to the judges and previous history becomes a multiplier. Cause an accident and you are proven DIC = penalty X, cause the same accident proven DIC with a history of similar acts and penalty = X2 right up to life...
Everyone deserves a second chance - but a third, 4th etc

Firstly, This wasn't an accident and we all must feel a little responsible for not putting enough pressure on the powers that be! We fire off when it happens but overall we tolerate it. Its not the cops fault, as a society we do live in a democracy.
Seems the above Quote makes good sense. Doesn't this put a reoffending drunks future in his own hands.
If this was the law, wouldn't "youngatarts" sad story solved itself by his own actions, he'd have to face his problem and get help or ROT in Jail. He couldn't blame her for it. Either way wouldn't she have been better off! Sooner or later no matter how much of a loser you are you'd have to face up. It wouldn't change policing we just need a law change.
You can't argue with "sorry mate but it was your decision" your sentence is.????????? My opinion only!!

Secondly I'm in no position to pass comment on the offenders family and some of the comments here I imagine have been driven by anger. I have a brother inlaw that likes a drink or two! He's a nice guy, and single now. But there is no way he would dare take my kids in his car drunk. And he knows it. My wife would never ever take them there again and the shit he'd from the rest of the family would be loud and last many years. He simply wouldn't do it, Its a strong family, but they still can't stop him driving home from the pub on his own now and then! I'm pretty damn sure if the above quote was law he'd still have a wife and a life or be off the streets.

Thirdly, Its time to put up or shut up and send a card or whatever with the funeral being 2morrow. Its a big pity it wasn't in the weekend as I think there would be quite a few bikes there to pay their respects. But the family may want a quiet time.

So my(our) thoughts are with them on this sad day. Hopefully the 3 bikers are touring around on their dream bikes in the heavens!!!!!

RIP