Motorcyclists deliberately kill dog

[Paul in NZ]

Moot point Paul.

I disagree

There are rules and laws to keep incompatables apart - the bike should not have been there.

Besides - it's a silly argument, we were not there to see it, who knows what really happened.. Personally i don't think it happened at all and the americans faked it all on a sound stage in Maiami..

[SwanTiger]

Dog's are dogs and the chase cars. But it's pretty hard to run a dog over when it's behind you?

If they run under you wheels and you run it over then get over it. If it goes to bite you and you have steelcaps on then go for it, then get over it.

By getting over it I mean
a) grow up, get a life and build a bridge.
b) squash the bastards head so it does bit some poor kids face off.

If it runs out in front of you on the road and you can't stop in time, shit happens of course, which is probably the case with the dog on the beach.

Regardless of that, what I stated is different to what you're saying. I don't take "sides", I like to look at something from all angles and find the truth - not emotionally charged opinion.

Anyway, most people are too ignorant these days so I'm not going to waste my time on this thread.

[imdying]

I agree with what Paul says... dogs don't go for bikes that aren't there, and if the bike shouldn't have been there, then there's no defence.

I also agree with Shadow, if a dog 'goes me', I will either cripple or kill it, depending on how lucky I or the dog am.

[Matt_TG]

As a dog owner and a motorcyclist I can see both sides of the story, however we really don't know the full story.

What I can say is that I have come across many dogs on the side of the road when out riding, and have been prepared to take defensive action if they should chase me. Just last week passing by a reserve a hound ran out towards me, I slowed down till it was alongside then sped off, outrunning it. No need to boot the dog in its head guys, it won't out run you. I believe that the road code covers this too.

Perhaps a different story if it came at right angles heading for the front wheel, but swerve and accelerate and it's all good.

Dogs enjoy the chase, it's in their instincts. It doesn't mean they want to savage you but if something noisy comes by they see it as a challenge to chase or to scare away. My dog looks the goods when running at you but he will just stop and lick you to death.

I would expect that those guys on the bike would have seen the old man and his dog beforehand (from a report on the radio it was a Jack Russel or similar sized - so not Cujo) and I would have thought that they would have been aware and prepared.

My mutt doesn't chase bikes but he used to go septic whenever I fired mine up. He does think horses are fair game though, which can get a bit scary... it comes down to what they have been exposed to and learnt to get used to.

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

[mazz1972]

As a dog owner and a motorcyclist I can see both sides of the story, however we really don't know the full story.

What I can say is that I have come across many dogs on the side of the road when out riding, and have been prepared to take defensive action if they should chase me. Just last week passing by a reserve a hound ran out towards me, I slowed down till it was alongside then sped off, outrunning it. No need to boot the dog in its head guys, it won't out run you. I believe that the road code covers this too.

Perhaps a different story if it came at right angles heading for the front wheel, but swerve and accelerate and it's all good.

Dogs enjoy the chase, it's in their instincts. It doesn't mean they want to savage you but if something noisy comes by they see it as a challenge to chase or to scare away. My dog looks the goods when running at you but he will just stop and lick you to death.

I would expect that those guys on the bike would have seen the old man and his dog beforehand (from a report on the radio it was a Jack Russel or similar sized - so not Cujo) and I would have thought that they would have been aware and prepared.

My mutt doesn't chase bikes but he used to go septic whenever I fired mine up. He does think horses are fair game though, which can get a bit scary... it comes down to what they have been exposed to and learnt to get used to.

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

Very well said Matt

[avgas]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.

hehe - yep.
It probably wasnt a dog, it was a rabid man eating goose. I ran over one of them on my ts cos the bloody thing was trying to kill me.

[Patrick]

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

Not all kids read the papers either...

Old guy couldn't control a Jack Russell????????

[Toaster]

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breathe. The murdering sod should be set upon by pitbulls - at least put these nasty creatures to good use.

Our nation is just too soft. This guy deserves a beating. My condolences to the elderly dog owner who lost his friend and companion.

[Matt_TG]

Not all kids read the papers either...

Old guy couldn't control a Jack Russell????????

I heard about it on The Rock, saw it on the net, no doubt something was on TV. The kids would know what they did, the fact they didn't stop at that time could give an indication of their responsibilities, regardless if they saw/heard/read about it.

I doubt a young guy could catch a Jack Russell. They go like the clappers. The statement is irrelevant though, it was allowed off the leash.

[mangell6]

The rules on the beach are specific. No motorcycles on the beach and Dogs must be under control. The dog was not under control and the bikes should not have been there.
Terriers chase moving objects apparently it is inbred into them, and it takes a skilled rider to "deliberately" hit or avoid a moving obstacle.

[quickbuck]

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breathe. The murdering sod should be set upon by pitbulls - at least put these nasty creatures to good use.

And a real (well loved) Pit bull will just lick them to death.

Not nasty at all.
It's all Hype.

So, my question is, who said they were kids?
Going to read article now...
But my guess is it was the old man.
Anybody half his age will be "a boy" to him.

[candor]

Dogs aren't possums or pests that its a favour to get rid of them like some are saying. You don't kill someones family member because he or she annoys you due to a chasing instinct. This perception that chasing dogs after vehicles are a threat or on attack mode seems hostile and paranoid to me. Like once bitten twice shy. They are domestic just like cats aren't lions.

Most dog breeds have been bred for thousands of years to remove the hunting / killing / fighting gene but they often still like to chase. They would no more survive in the wild than if we plonked Paris Hilton down with the eskimos.

Mine is a GSP which chases rabbits and possums several hours every day and occasionally cats, but has never hurt one. He bails them up cornered then just barks at them till I come. Has no killing know how - its called inhibited aggression. Thats cos thru selective breeding he was made a retriever with soft mouth ie when he brings shot ducks back he naturally does no damage to them.

Most dogs who will chase or even growl or even play bite are not vicious. It would be a much poorer world if everyone gets low tolerance to dogs presence just because some total jerks have got into selective breeding for vicious freaks and then deliberately or ignorantly raising the mutants to be savage - undoing thousands of years of selective breeding that was done to get the best most social temperaments into man best friend.

The genes of dogs come from wolfs and foxes and some other mutt which i forget now as had lessons with police dog handler ages ago. If foxy heritage they are a bit more aggro, but the wolfy breeds are generally more social and gentler than humans on average. Lucky as they're the bigger ones.

I think this was either an accident or a dog hate crime by some immature git showing off. If it was the second then I hope the jerk meets a pit bull down a dark alley oneday. As the dog he killed was clearly a great dog and prolly loved by many. It may be the owners only family and he might die from grief.

Was once walking my dog on westport beach and my mate was back in car. A similar car came on beach with hoons and my dog thought twas ours and chaseed. Very soon he was miles away then had gone off beach on road. I got worried. The hoons did a big loop and then u turned to lead back and return my dog that flew past me again once they saw me pointing and having a fit. My dog had gotten deaf and blind to me as he only had eyes for what he thought was our car leaving him behind. He'd nearly run ghimself to death keeping up with the hoons. When he saw me where he left me and strangers in that car he was quite surprised.

Those kids did the right thing. They saw what was happening and helped rather than seeing it as the opportunity for some sport of bloodlust. Maybe cos there was girls in the cars too??? As someone said its not so easy to just run over a dog on 2 wheels - I would give some vredence to the owners story - it sounded like gratuitious violence against a defenseless wee pet. A pit bull and my view would be different.

[MotoGirl]

I found the article too brief to form an opinion. Like other's have said, it basically implied we should believe the old man's story.

[quickbuck]

If it was the second then I hope the jerk meets a pit bull down a dark alley oneday.

Why a Pitty?
A Rotti will do a better job.

Thing is, if this young man is indeed a callus dog murderer then he will soon or eventually meet up with one of the Queens finest German Shepherds in any case.

[Fatjim]

I can't help but think the media has things correct.

I can honestly say, that when the media has reported something that I have had first hand knowledge of they have never been accurate. Thats NEVER.

In my mind, the odds are firmly against the story in this case being accurate, purely because it has appeared in a newspaper.