Tamaheri was definitely guilty.Originally Posted by oldrider
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Tamaheri was definitely guilty.
Fully Foxed
Which one? lol
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Haha!
David Tamihere (not his brother John).
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I'll bite... again...
ALL guilty... maybe not the fisherman thing tho...
See the BAIN thread...
WATSON - Don't know of any boaties who bleach the entire inside of their boats out... and that is from a boaties viewpoint.
Now Teenaged kids from ELLIS'S reign speak out occasionally...
TAMAHERE didn't like the O/C Case and would have coughed if it was someone else....
THOMAS was let off because of the planted bullet, as a punishment for the Police doing a fit up, not because he didn't do it....
IMHO...
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So do the Police ever get the wrong guy?
I'ma get medieval on your ass!
Absolutely - but that simply means policemen are human and capable of mistakes. The pressures on the police to solve high profile cases is immense and officers can come to believe they have identified the offender. Human nature then resists suggestions that they might be mistaken, particularly if the suspect fits the theory of the case.
Having said that, the criminal investigation system isn't one man and his dog doing all of the work. Many officers are involved with this type of case and they have to generally agree on the strength of the evidence they have gathered. Ron Pope for example was simply the lead detective in the Watson presecution.
As well as the police, the Crown solicitor's office of lawyers is involved and they have to be equally convinced of the strength of the case.
So there is a whole cohort of people involved in weighing whether a suspect should be prosecuted, long before it gets to trial.
At trial the defendant has his lawyer and the chance to have his say. He doesn't have to give evidence but frankly you have to wonder why he doesn't in many of these cases. For example, David Bain. He blames his lawyer but if the guy was as innocent as driven snow, that was his chance to get up and say so. He didn't.
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yeah... the guy out Avondale way (DONNELLY??) who raped the kiddie next door, she identified him as the offender etc etc and he spent time in jail... but DNA proved it wasn't him.
I've never got the wrong guy... all my lockups have been guilty, except for an EBA once where you push a button before attaching a mouthpiece on a screening device (which doesn't change the eventual evidential result on another machine, BTW...) means they weren't drunk after all...
And as I said before, maybe not the fisherman thingy...
Just faidin away!
That's a big call, I don't profess to know about any of them but the information available is less than convincing to me and many many others that have read it.
I grew up feeling confident that we had a great justice system and police force in New Zealand, I am sorry to say that my confidence is somewhat eroded today and I would like to have it back again!John.
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Mine fell apart after reading Trial by Trickery. (scared the heebee jeebeez out of me. I kid you not) I was in the Rakia area when that chick Kirsty somone from Ashburton was found. Duly went in to remove myself from the suspects list etc. I wonder where I would be if the Police spent two million in trying to frame me for that. All I can say is thank god I don't have any criminal convictions................there but for fortune go I......and by the sounds of the Justice system that applies to 'all' of us.That's a big call, I don't profess to know about any of them but the information available is less than convincing to me and many many others that have read it.
I grew up feeling confident that we had a great justice system and police force in New Zealand, I am sorry to say that my confidence is somewhat eroded today and I would like to have it back again!
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
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i believe the NZ police have found the person and made the evidence fit to many times, ratehr than letting the evidence find the man,
saying that, i think Watson has more to cry about than Bain, i do not think Watson killed those 2, but i am not so convinced about Bain
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Tamahere was at least guilty of being terminally stupid!
Thomas did not do it - I saw parts of both trials and was appalled by what I observed at the time - it was well and widely reputed to have been Jeanettes father.
Ellis was stitched up, by the wave of self proclaimed child abuse "experts", sweeping the world at that time - his only "crime" was being gay and liked by the kids, as is often the case - a long way from being the depraved paedophile he was made out to be - the ideas planted in the minds of the "victims", by the police and their psychologists was far more of a criminal act, with long term harm quite possible.
IMHO.
“- He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.”
I've read Hunters book and Kalaughers and met Watson. I've also read Justice Thomas' 2006 report on miscarriages of justice in NZ and what factors make them more likely and they were almost all present in Watson's case. I am convinced he is innocent.
I'm not convinced he's a nice guy - I found him to be ok but have heard other people say he's nasty. Being nasty doesn't make him a killer. If that was a basis to convict people, maybe a few more of us would be doing time.
I'm convinced that he is innocent because all the crucial evidence points away from him - description of the likely perpetrator, description of the boat, circumstantial evidence (Watson painted his boat but to the colour of the suspect boat, not to another colour). The compelling evidence that convinced the jury, as far as I can see, was DNA evidence from a hair from Olivia alleged to be taken from a blanket on his boat.
However the first examination of hairs from the blanket only revealed black curly ones - mostly pubes. A much later examination of the same set of hairs found a long blond one. Curious it wasn't found the first time, only later, and shortly after samples from Olivia's hairbrush had been examined in the same place. Very poor procedure. In addition. a 1 inch slit was found in the bottom of the sample bag. Given Pope insistence that Watson was the killer as soon as he'd seen his profile, that worries me a great deal.
The real issue IMO is that there is no proper procedure to deal with these kinds of cases. The appeals system doesn't work for various reasons which I have highlighted at "rasnandor.blogspot.com/2009/06/bain-found-not-guilty-how-about.html". I think its time we followed Justice Thorpe's recommendations and instituted a Criminal Appeals Review Office, like they have in the UK.
ps I've been lurking on this board for a few years now. Thanks for all the great info
pps - Patrick, I think you mean Doherty. The Association for the Wrongfully Convicted has looked at cases from the USA where DNA evidence later proved the convicted person was innocent. The no. 1 cause of wrongful conviction? Eyewitness ID!
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what about the watch, a big part of the case against him was that he gave urban's watch to his son but when the skeleton was found it still had the watch on. tamaheri was a theif and had a earlier murder conviction but i dont think he did this one........Scott watson is another dodgy conviction didnt a off duty cop see the mystery boat whilst out fishing?? David Bane was found not guilty by a jury who heard all the evidence..The dunedin police need a major rocket up them for the series of fuckups they made on this case and if he is indeed guilty only have themselves to blame for him being free now
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fisherman = Rex Haig, convicted on the word of his nephew who was given immunity, but was quite possibly the guilty person http://www.rexhaig.com/
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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