Gunshop employee charged

[MisterD]

I took the time to go and meet Greg Carvell. He's a nice guy, so is his dad. I took with me a sum of cash (from passing round a hat to help his defence fund) and I personally shelled out for a box of Corona's (Greg's fave) which I delivered to Greg personally.

Why?

Because I firmly believe that this man deserves this nations support for defending himself, his family, his fellow workers and his livelihood. Plus he prevented a demented dickhead from getting his hands on some guns; Greg is a hero.

Any of you would do the same, if you had the balls, and then Greg is charged for doing this!!! WTF?

I also firmly believe the charges are BOLLOCKS! So lame, so hollow and it's a new-age witch hunt that needs to be stomped on. I'm not cop-bashing here, I think this is politically motivated. I doubt the cop that delivered the charges was happy about it.

Really, that poor pizza delivery guy (Choi) who got killed for working hard, the RSA killings, don't start me. The list is endless, then some guy (Greg) defends himself....????? He needs a medal, not a trial. He needs our support and I can hold my head high when I say I took the time to go and give him some hard cash, some beer and a handshake. I met the guy, face to face, he's one of us. I shook his hand and put my cash where my mouth is.

I challenge you all to do the same.

On ya. What's the country coming to when stupidity gets you $10k and bravery gets you a kick in the teeth

[oldrider]

I took the time to go and meet Greg Carvell. He's a nice guy, so is his dad. I took with me a sum of cash (from passing round a hat to help his defence fund) and I personally shelled out for a box of Corona's (Greg's fave) which I delivered to Greg personally.

Why?

Because I firmly believe that this man deserves this nations support for defending himself, his family, his fellow workers and his livelihood. Plus he prevented a demented dickhead from getting his hands on some guns; Greg is a hero.

Any of you would do the same, if you had the balls, and then Greg is charged for doing this!!! WTF?

I also firmly believe the charges are BOLLOCKS! So lame, so hollow and it's a new-age witch hunt that needs to be stomped on. I'm not cop-bashing here, I think this is politically motivated. I doubt the cop that delivered the charges was happy about it.

Really, that poor pizza delivery guy (Choi) who got killed for working hard, the RSA killings, don't start me. The list is endless, then some guy (Greg) defends himself....????? He needs a medal, not a trial. He needs our support and I can hold my head high when I say I took the time to go and give him some hard cash, some beer and a handshake. I met the guy, face to face, he's one of us. I shook his hand and put my cash where my mouth is.

I challenge you all to do the same.

He should have just shot him dead!!!! The charge is ridiculous! (IMHO) John.

[peasea]

OMG!!!!
Finally it appears we have a judge (or whatever) with some common sense. It sounds like the charge was thrown out!

Yeehar!

[Lias]

Gunshop worker not to face trial after shooting
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4087100a10.html

Gunshop worker Greg Carvell will not face trial on a charge of possession of a pistol for unlawful purposes.

In the Auckland District Court today two justices of the peace said there was insufficient evidence for the charge to proceed.

Carvell said after the hearing in the Auckland District Court yesterday he had no choice but to shoot Ricky James Beckham in July last year.

The court was told Beckham threatened to kill Carvell and gunshop worker, Bruce Motley as he advanced on them in the Penrose gunshop, waving a machete over his head.

Carvell fired one shot into the man's stomach with a.45 calibre Colt automatic pistol he had kept loaded but hidden on a shelf under his desk.

The court heard that Beckham, now serving a two year and nine month jail term for the aggravated burglary of the gunshop, told Carvell and Mr Motley he would kill them.

He demanded guns and ignored orders to stop advancing on the two men.

The court heard 10 or 15 seconds later Carvell shot him in the stomach with the pistol.

Carvell's lawyer Greg King said yesterday there was no case to answer and he should not be committed for trial.

He said it was a life and death situation and Beckham had to be incapacitated.

Great news IMHO. Our softcock government needs to change legislation so that the use of force (including lethal force) in defence of life and property is enshrined in law and we never see any more cases like this, or the northland farmer who shot at thieves etc.

The right to defend yourself, your family, and your property is to my mind such a basic right that I cannot comprehend why its not legal to do so in NZ.

[spudchucka]

Great news IMHO. Our softcock government needs to change legislation so that the use of force (including lethal force) in defence of life and property is enshrined in law and we never see any more cases like this, or the northland farmer who shot at thieves etc.

As if they are likely to do that when they have just outlawed smacking!!

[ManDownUnder]

As if they are likely to do that when they have just outlawed smacking!!

Firm words are next on the list... that way we're not allowed to complain about what they've done.

[Beemer]

I was very pleased to see he wasn't going to end up in court. The guy he shot mustn't have been Samoan...

[ghost]

Great news IMHO. Our softcock government needs to change legislation so that the use of force (including lethal force) in defence of life and property is enshrined in law and we never see any more cases like this, or the northland farmer who shot at thieves etc.

The right to defend yourself, your family, and your property is to my mind such a basic right that I cannot comprehend why its not legal to do so in NZ.

For life it already is, "Crimes Act 1961. 48. "Self defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.""

Police prosecutors should take a longer look at themselves before they decide to prosecute, it seems to be an automatic response if anyone but a police officer defends themselves, regardless of the situation.

I also believe you should be allowed to defend your property as well but thats a different kettle of fish.

[oldrider]

The crime stats would go down if these pricks thought they were going to get spliced by a .45 slug for their trouble. John.

There is no consequence. Crime in NZ pays, under current administration!

[Lias]

For life it already is, "Crimes Act 1961. 48. "Self defence and defence of another - Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.""

Police prosecutors should take a longer look at themselves before they decide to prosecute, it seems to be an automatic response if anyone but a police officer defends themselves, regardless of the situation.

I also believe you should be allowed to defend your property as well but thats a different kettle of fish.

Police prosecutors bow to political pressure to make sure that the crminals rights arn't interfered with..

As if they are likely to do that when they have just outlawed smacking!!

If we'd elected national under brash it might have been a reality.. Key is just too damned centrist and moderate. We need a Chopper Read political party imo.

[jrandom]

Absolutely stoked to hear that the case against Greg has been thrown out. I shall pop in and congratulate him.

Ray and Greg are two of my favourite people. They didn't deserve any of this shit.

Glad to see that something works right in the justice system.

[shafty]

Great outcome - tho as others have said so well, should never have gotten to this stage. Does anyone have an e-mail address fo a message of Congrats for the Guy?

[sAsLEX]

Glad to see that something works right in the justice system.

Personally I think he is lucky. Most of the time bullshit charges like this are carried through to courts and peoples lives ruined as the cops MUST charge someone if something goes wrong.

[pritch]

Police prosecutors should take a longer look at themselves before they decide to prosecute, it seems to be an automatic response if anyone but a police officer defends themselves, regardless of the situation.

They've also had Police officers before the Courts for this in the past.
"The Courts should decide," is given as the justification.

Machiavelli in his book "The Prince" urges the Prince, (from memory and it was a long time ago) "Be well advised."
By way of explanation he also offers words to the effect,
"Never ask Generals if you should go to war, Generals always answer yes to that. Once you've decided war is inevitable though, by all means ask the generals how to conduct the war."

So our Police chiefs ask lawyers if they should go to Court...

[The Pastor]

Police prosecutors bow to political pressure to make sure that the crminals rights arn't interfered with..



If we'd elected national under brash it might have been a reality.. Key is just too damned centrist and moderate. We need a Chopper Read political party imo.

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