WOF - Brake lines

[MSTRS:Me]

g) has an end fitting that is not attached to the hose
by means of swaging, machine crimping or a
similar process (Note 6).

'End fitting' - depends on whether you consider the banjo an end fitting.
Still not clear, is it?

[imdying]

The banjo isn't attached to the hose though.... the end fitting is. The banjo screws into the end fitting... seems pretty clear to me.

[MSTRS:Me]

These fkn govt/ltsa sponsored grey areas don't do anyone any favours, do they?

[imdying]

Which grey area?

[90s]

A garage told me today that they have been told to interpret that screw-in adaptors banjos etc WOULD count as "end of the hose" and they will be failing bikes on that basis.

Anyone on whether this is happending and how individual garages are handling this?

[imdying]

A garage told me today that they have been told to interpret that screw-in adaptors banjos etc WOULD count as "end of the hose" and they will be failing bikes on that basis.

The reason for this is because they 'Asked the question', which shows to whoever they asked it of, that they're not 100% sure of the difference. Which is totally acceptable, some of them are hard to spot (thus these threads, posted by people who actually have the hoses not on the bike even!), so how are they to know every type! As always, they've been told to err on the side of caution.

If you carry it to the logical conclusion, the bolt too is a screw on fitting attached to the hose... of course every single FWD corolla and FWD 323/Laser has them, so they know they're safe (and they're OEM).

All you need is a WOF shop that knows what they're looking at, I'm picking most bike shops should have the nouse for that.

If you find yourself getting frustrated, consider that you're in the 0.1% (random figure, but you see what I'm getting at) that runs braided lines on a street vehicle... they of course are used to dealing with the general populace, not psuedo petrolheads

[90s]

All you need is a WOF shop that knows what they're looking at, I'm picking most bike shops should have the nouse for that.

If you find yourself getting frustrated, consider that you're in the 0.1% (random figure, but you see what I'm getting at) that runs braided lines on a street vehicle... they of course are used to dealing with the general populace, not psuedo petrolheads

It was a honda dealer that serviced my bike this week that told me this - not a car garage or a WOF-shop.

Hence my concern.

Any other thoughts on whether this might be just them or some new hard line?

[Max Preload]

A garage told me today that they have been told to interpret that screw-in adaptors banjos etc WOULD count as "end of the hose" and they will be failing bikes on that basis.

Go somewhere else - that's wrong. The banjo is not the hose end. The reason that a non-crimped hose end is illegal is that it can be diassembled and put back together, when they're designed to only be used once. A banjo however is a different design that can be removed and reassembled without damage.

[90s]

Go somewhere else - that's wrong. The banjo is not the hose end. The reason that a non-crimped hose end is illegal is that it can be diassembled and put back together, when they're designed to only be used once. A banjo however is a different design that can be removed and reassembled without damage.

Thanks - I may have a chat with them though and see what they say.

[sizzlingbadger]

The hoses shown look like they have aluminum banjo's which I would be more worried about than the the fact they are screw in and are not crimped. Ali banjo's can corrode very quickly, stainless is far better.

[Max Preload]

The hoses shown look like they have aluminum banjo's which I would be more worried about than the the fact they are screw in and are not crimped. Ali banjo's can corrode very quickly, stainless is far better.

That is correct. See here.

[imdying]

Alloy cylinders have been using stainless sleeves, and/or stainless pistons since ages ago. Not that I'm suggesting that HEL have something to sell... oh no..

[sizzlingbadger]

Alloy cylinders have been using stainless sleeves, and/or stainless pistons since ages ago.

indeed but you can't sleeve banjo bolts so it's best just to use stainless as the weight difference is not even worth considering.

[imdying]

Or just use alloy ones.

The stainless lines with alloy ends... the stainless and alloy would never actually be in brake fluid together anyway... the stainless never gets touched by fluid, that's what the teflon liner is for.

[sizzlingbadger]

nothing to do with the fluid, but it's your choice I'm not arguing about it