Would you give up your Thou' for an 800cc MotoGP rep?

[enigma51]

Exactly right, plus what Deviant said.

It really is a great bike to ride

Agree with you there and even though the 1000c have more speed they dont dont tend to get away much once they are standing up mid corner i would say the 750 is easier and slightly faster

[JayRacer37]

It depends on the engine IMO. Most of the Moto GP teams use inline four cylinder engines, but Honda uses a V4, which they already have in the VFR800. .

Hold up dude..most of?? Only Yamaha are using inline four, everyone else is V4 now.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Wouldn't mind a 500cc race-replica instead. Like this one

[Deviant Esq]

Hold up dude..most of?? Only Yamaha are using inline four, everyone else is V4 now.

Not so - check the Moto GP website. Kawasaki and Suzuki are also using an inline four, according to their team websites.

As far as the poll goes, I voted "undecided", because I've not ridden a bike over 500cc anyway and I'm therefore not qualified to comment!

[sugilite:Me]

I agree on both points, I believe they'll stick to the thous at least for now, and a bigger motor must be easier to get more power out of (slower moving pistons requiring less techy metal if nothing else). Do you think perhaps this poll shows that the market would indeed love to have a motogp sized and styled bike though?

Yeah, for sure there is a market for bikes that look more moto gpish, but do clothes makith the man?
There is if course that limited run of V4 gp reps Ducati did

[JayRacer37]

Not so - check the Moto GP website. Kawasaki and Suzuki are also using an inline four, according to their team websites.

As far as the poll goes, I voted "undecided", because I've not ridden a bike over 500cc anyway and I'm therefore not qualified to comment!

My bad, your right - Kawasaki are an inline 4 too. But Suzuki are definitly V4 - have been since XREO1-2 back in 2001-2002.
I think the only people that have changed their engine layouts since 2002 (other than diffrences in Vee angle) are Honda, dropping a cylnder to a V4 this year. Layouts over MotoGP era so far are:
Ducati:V4 (90 degree Vee i think, follows their design criteria) (2003 - )
Honda:V5 (2002 - 2006), V4 (2007 - )
Yamaha: Inline 4 (Changed to 'big bang' and 'long bang' firing order in....2003?)
Kawasaki:Inline 4 (Similar experiments with firing order to Yamaha, but approx. 1.5 years behind)
Suzuki: V4 (75 degree Vee angle in 2002...belive this was changed, not sure when)
Aprillia: Inline Triple (2002-2003 only)
WCM : Inline 4 (2003-200....5?)
KR: V5 (2003-2004(?)), V4 (KTM motor) (2005), V5 (Honda motor) 2006, V4 (Honda) 2007 -
Illmor: V4. (2006 - 2007 -???)

Don't know why I wanted to do that...suppose it filled in 20 mins. Any corrections where I fucked up peoples!! cheers

[sugilite:Me]

Not so - check the Moto GP website. Kawasaki and Suzuki are also using an inline four, according to their team websites.

I'm sure the Suzuki is V4, the Kawa and yami are inline fours for sure.

[Deviant Esq]

Suzuki are definitly V4 - have been since XREO1-2 back in 2001-2002.

Whoops, my bad, getting a bit ahead of myself. I remember now that I tried to find the configuration on the Rizla Suzuki website, but couldn't. I think I meant to write Kawasaki and Yamaha but got crossed up. Heart was in the right place though!

In that case Suzuki couldn't just add displacement to the GSXR750 and call it a Moto GP replica as it'd have the wrong engine configuration. The torque and horsepower curves for a V4 are different to that of an inline four too. Okay okay, I only know from being a know it all rather than actual seat of the pants o'meter experience...

[JayRacer37]

. Okay okay, I only know from being a know it all rather than actual seat of the pants o'meter experience...

Hahahaha for MotoGP bikes thats all I am too buddy

[Chrislost]

Apparently next years Fireblade is a 1000 V4 with R6 style exhaust - looks good in the photos.

Personally - I'd go for an 800 - although the 1000's have a torque advantage

1000V4?
pics?
vids?
honda webiste link to it?
penis extention?

[Nutter34]

There are the same arguments coming out as in all the old pissing contests. We don't NEED anything bigger than a 400 to thrash, or break the law. A 250 will probably suffice!

I now have a ZX10, why, because it's easy to ride. I've had my share of 600's and have a 400 race bike. When it comes to road riding, the thou is smooth and the torque just makes for a pleasant ride.

Yes, a lot of people enjoy more of a thrash and I used to too. For a long time, I swore never to have anything bigger than a 600, purely due to the rider involvement. Things change however and what excites from a ride change.

So, as far as the debate goes, I'd probably stick to the thou, purely for the torque available. It doesn't mean I ride faster or break the law more, just that it's a different experience riding at the same pace...

[sAsLEX]

Apparently next years Fireblade is a 1000 V4 with R6 style exhaust - looks good in the photos.

Personally - I'd go for an 800 - although the 1000's have a torque advantage

This post is a bit useless without the picture or link?

v4s do rock the world though http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photo...dici_start.mp3
"There's the V-4 thing: there's just something about it that inline 4s don't have, and V-twins have too much of."
– Murray Duncan



As a marketing tool I think the 800 would work.

Most newish bikers, like myself, looking for their second or third bike think the step up to the mentality of a modern thou IL4 is a bit much. An 800 on the other hand?

Though this is a moot point since any decent 800 would soon make the same power?

[Skunk]

Yea, though a GP rep would be awesome, I don't recon they would/will do it. firstly, they can't do a true rep using the GP stuff, cause that breaks ALL the prototype only laws for MotoGP.

Yep, you got it Jay, MotoGP is all about non-production bikes. WCM found that out when they used modified Yamaha parts on their first bike (so I'm told).

Any 800cc road bike will have to be totally different to the race bike in every aspect.

[sAsLEX]

Any 800cc road bike will have to be totally different to the race bike in every aspect.

From the current one at least, could be based on the previous years model..... well not until next year but you get my picture

[imdying]

Just to throw the cat amongst the pidgeons... the thing that originally started the discussion between OAB and I was a comment I made along the lines of 'I think the 4 cyl thou (top of range sportbike) class will evolve into an 800 class, with lighter bikes all round'. I didn't actually mean that they'd be motogp reps (the size would probably be the same, the marketing link just makes sense), just that there would evolve into the R8, ZX8R, GSXR800 etc.