Death penalty

[Winston001]

Better one innocent man die than nine criminals walk among us.

[SPman]

Unless that man happens to be you.......

[Winston001]

Unless that man happens to be you.......

True.......but we have to rise above the personal.

[Ocean1]

Hmmmm, losing a few innocents due to wrongful conviction vs saving thousands of innocents from repeat offenders... what a tough choice. If we put the ex prisons money into the justice system, that might go some way towards keeping wrong convictions to an absolute minimum.

I wonder how many convicted serial murderers/rapists are serially innocent.

In such instances it's criminally negligent to allow them another chance.

I like restorative justice, trouble is it doesn't work. Criminals do what they do because they can ignore consequences, they can and invariably do ignore court awarded costs.

I don't believe it's relevant whether any "punishment" has deterrent value, just that everyone gets to see justice done, quickly. Fact is deterrence is useful in training kids up to puberty, if you haven't managed to teach them the basics of responsibility and respect for others by then you're wasting your time.

Think outside the square guys, the western world is very conservative in how we deal with transgressors.

Here's a version I like: Revoke the repeat offender's social contract.
Allow victims to apply for a licence to inflict damage/harm to the convicted offender up to and including the level of harm incurred by the victim. Give the offender the option of remaining safe behind bars, "user pays" bars, he'll work the rest of his life to pay for his safety. Maybe we allow the offender to buy the licence, at a price set by the victim.

[BarBender]

True.......but we have to rise above the personal.

What the?

Against - I'm yet to be convinced how retribution is a deterrent.

[98tls]

I wonder how many convicted serial murderers/rapists are serially innocent.

In such instances it's criminally negligent to allow them another chance.

I like restorative justice, trouble is it doesn't work. Criminals do what they do because they can ignore consequences, they can and invariably do ignore court awarded costs.

I don't believe it's relevant whether any "punishment" has deterrent value, just that everyone gets to see justice done, quickly. Fact is deterrence is useful in training kids up to puberty, if you haven't managed to teach them the basics of responsibility and respect for others by then you're wasting your time.

Think outside the square guys, the western world is very conservative in how we deal with transgressors.

Here's a version I like: Revoke the repeat offender's social contract.
Allow victims to apply for a licence to inflict damage/harm to the convicted offender up to and including the level of harm incurred by the victim. Give the offender the option of remaining safe behind bars, "user pays" bars, he'll work the rest of his life to pay for his safety. Maybe we allow the offender to buy the licence, at a price set by the victim.

Yes........bling given..................

[Lissa]

I just read a book called "Stolen Time" by Sunny Jacobs. Inspiring read, first heard about her on 'breakfast' went and brought her book and read it in a day.

She was imprisioned for murdering some policemen along with her partner... she was put on death row for 5 years ... in all she spent 16 years in jail for a crime she didnt commit. Her partner who was also innocent was killed in a botched Electrocution.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/soniajacobs.htm

I am absolutely against the death penalty. There are people who are killed who are innocent.

[imdying]

I am absolutely against the death penalty. There are people who are killed who are innocent.

I'm against reoffending. All the people who are killed are innocent... and there's a damn sight more of them.

[Lissa]

I'm against reoffending. All the people who are killed are innocent... and there's a damn sight more of them.

I'm against the death penalty. I am also against reoffending. If someone murdered one of my family or friends, I would want them to suffer, and to never see the light of day again.

[98tls]

I just read a book called "Stolen Time" by Sunny Jacobs. Inspiring read, first heard about her on 'breakfast' went and brought her book and read it in a day.

She was imprisioned for murders some policemen along with her partner... she was put on death row for 5 years ... in all she spent 16 years in jail for a crime she didnt commit. Her partner who was also innocent was killed in a botched Electrocution.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/soniajacobs.htm

I am absolutely against the death penalty. There are people who are killed who are innocent.

I totally understand your post lissa.........thing is though lifes a bitch.....cant let the rest of the fuck-ups look forward to commiting more carnage because an innocent person may die..........an endless thread i guess but i will defy anyone to say no to the death penalty after seeing the aftermath of an act of true brutality against a loved one...........

[imdying]

Yep, that's the proposition. It's a bummer that wrongfully convicted people are going to be offed. It's even more of a bummer that innocent people are getting whacked all too often. That poor bastard on his quad bike, his family didn't die with him, but they're all innocent victims too. We don't have to have the DP forever, but it might not hurt spending a hundred years sorting out the gene pool.

[imdying]

i will defy anyone to say no to the death penalty after seeing the aftermath of an act of true brutality against a loved one...........

I don't believe true forgiveness is dead mate I wouldn't want to believe that.

[98tls]

I don't believe true forgiveness is dead mate I wouldn't want to believe that.

Hope it doesnt happen........but if it does you may have to..............

[Colapop]

This thread is too boring...
Everyone one wants everyone dead...

[98tls]

This thread is too boring...
Everyone one wants everyone dead...

everyone except me.........oh and before you's all go could you move your cars to the side of the road.........imagine all those motorcycle shops.....empty of people....i think today i will take the gixxer to nelson.....then change bikes for the trip to westport...........