Death penalty

[kro]

I have said it before and I say it again, DEATH to those who are repeat serious offenders. No excuses, no appeals, no mercy. If you have killed/raped/savagely beaten others 3 times (for example) end of the line buddy- you get off here.

While I like 90% of what you said in the whole post Mack, this part I do not like. This is playing roulette with the lives of the good people in society. I am against the chance of giving obvious psychos anything remotely resembling a second chance, and this is where the present penal system fails us, hello Mr Graeme Burton, how on earth did you ever see the light of day again?.

[Paul in NZ]

The perfect crime is an unsolved crime. Skyryder

No - the perfect crime is an undetected one....

[Skyryder]

No - the perfect crime is an undetected one....

No, PNZ if it's undetected it can not be considered a crime. A crime is where there is evedence that an unlawful act has occured. It is 'evidence' that delineates an unlawful act as against a lawful one.

But I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment. Because there is no evidence does not mean that a crime has not occured. But until evidence is found where that an unlawful act has occured ' no' crime is deemed to have occured. It's a question of semantics as to what constitutes the perfect crime. There is also the school of thought that the perfect crime is one where the perp. of the crime is found not guilty.

But you raise an interesting point. Some perfect crimes are more perfect than others.

[Skyryder]

this poor girl who was found off Hillsboro 2 years ago in a park.. 60 suspects ??? FFS..

and 2 years later they PUT UP POSTERS!

how bout dragging 58 of the suspects into the station and violating a few civil rights?.. there is a 3 year old boy without a mom because of this ..

shamefull

So presumably you don't mind if your civil rights are violated.

Skyryder

[Patrick]

The perfect crime is an unsolved crime. There's plenty of them here in Godzone. Mind you when Popes is the Police Commissioner he'll just fit someone up so has to increase the clearance stats and get a knight hood for his troubles.

Skyryder

I take the reviewer of the gospel book you are spouting on about is a disgruntled ex legal aid failure of a lawyer who lost a parking ticket case to Pope in his early years and won't let it go...

Facts, not opinions, are what we deal with.... Pope included.

[Patrick]

this poor girl who was found off Hillsboro 2 years ago in a park.. 60 suspects ??? FFS..

and 2 years later they PUT UP POSTERS!

how bout dragging 58 of the suspects into the station and violating a few civil rights?.. there is a 3 year old boy without a mom because of this ..

shamefull

I'm sure Mr Pope will just pick one out of the hat and fit him up, ay Skyrider...

[SARGE]

So presumably you don't mind if your civil rights are violated.

Skyryder

ya gotta break few eggs man .. if i am innocent then i have nothing to lose .. I would rather know that if my family member was murdered then the cops are doing EVERYTHING in their power to get those responsible..

[Skyryder]

ya gotta break few eggs man .. if i am innocent then i have nothing to lose .. I would rather know that if my family member was murdered then the cops are doing EVERYTHING in their power to get those responsible..

I agree Sarge but when they act 'outside' side of their powers they act unlawfully and in doing so become no better than those they are trying convict. The end will never justifies the means.

It's the defining rule that sets those that act within the law and those that do not.

Skyryder

[SARGE]

I agree Sarge but when they act 'outside' side of their powers they act unlawfully and in doing so become no better than those they are trying convict. The end will never justifies the means.

It's the defining rule that sets those that act within the law and those that do not.

Skyryder

then again .. i personally think the Gitmo crew is being too soft on the bastards .. wtf do i know?

[Skyryder]

I take the reviewer of the gospel book you are spouting on about is a disgruntled ex legal aid failure of a lawyer who lost a parking ticket case to Pope in his early years and won't let it go...

Facts, not opinions, are what we deal with.... Pope included.

THE HATCH SCRATCHES.

Opening Crown Address, Nicola Hutchley

But that is not all. Further examination of other parts of the boat found that on the inner lining of the forward hatch - that's a hole in the deck that allows ventilation and light and entry- were 176 scratch marks, consistent in the opinion of a scientist, having been put there by the scratching motion of fingernails.

Most of us are aware of this damming piece of evidence against Watson.

What was not reported in any detail is that Watsons girlfriend said that these scratches were made by Watsons niece. Some of these scratches went right to the edge of the hatch cover and could only have been made if the hatch was open.

The scientist may well have been right that they were made by fingernails.

I can only speculate as to why the Pope believed that these scratches were made by either Smart or Hope when even the rudimentary examination showed otherwise.

Read the book and then come to your own conclusion.

Skyryder

[Winston001]

Who is the reviewer? The one I read is by a lawyer. My daughter bought it home from her work. It's also interesting that Pope will not respond to the book. Just read the book then make up your own mind on whether Watson is innocent or guilty.

Skyryder

Chris Gallivan, University of Canterbury Law Faculty.

There is no need for Pope to respond - he will know the case far more intimately than the author of the book.

I do agree that reading it is best but note the review implied no conclusion could be reached because of the author's bias. That doesn't avoid recognising that Hunter makes good points and raises troubling questions.

The problem is I suggest, almost any criminal case could be minutely examined later, and found to have flaws. Neither judges, juries, prosecutors, or defenders are perfect.

I guess it is a healthy thing that people take an interest.

[SARGE]

a very wise man once told me ..


" believe none of what you hear, 1/2 of what you see and question everything you know to be true.."

[Storm]

Despite emotions telling me otherwise I'd say no. What I would support is finding a small isolated island, ring it with security, and leave the worst there to survive from themselves, completely cut off from civilisation.

I'm with that man 120 %

[Winston001]

THE HATCH SCRATCHES.

.....What was not reported in any detail is that Watsons girlfriend said that these scratches were made by Watsons niece. Some of these scratches went right to the edge of the hatch cover and could only have been made if the hatch was open.

The scientist may well have been right that they were made by fingernails.

I can only speculate as to why the Pope believed that these scratches were made by either Smart or Hope when even the rudimentary examination showed otherwise.

Skyryder

We are a bit OT here but correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't Watson represented at trial? He didn't act as his own lawyer? If the scratch marks were so obviously made when the hatch was open, why wasn't this raised in defence? Why didn't Watson point this out to his own lawyer?

Possibly because there is an explanation which doesn't fit with conspiracy theories.......... But hey - I'm guessing too.

[Ocean1]

Despite emotions telling me otherwise I'd say no. What I would support is finding a small isolated island, ring it with security, and leave the worst there to survive from themselves, completely cut off from civilisation.

I could support that too.

Let's make it a big island, 'cause there's gona be a bunch of 'em.

Hot too, a sorta half-way-house to Hell.

With fuck all stuff in it, so the've got bugger all to play with.

And lets bung all the weird animals in there too, the poisonous ones and the sharp ones and the plain downright ugly ones.

And we'll have a few human examples there of how bad life can be if you don't like the way we do things in the civilised world.

And we shall call it some assinine name that shows them we really don't give a shit where they are as long as it's not here...

Something like... "Australia"

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