Party pills BANNED!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Please tell me more...

Sure. If you take these substances off the shelf....you just know kids are still going to want to 'experiment'. Who will they have to deal with when these substances are banned? What will they have to do to get them...and what else will they be given? I don't have children, but if I did, I'd far rather they buy these things off the shelf, than god knows what from people I'd REALLY not want them to associate with. It will happen. The criminal fraternity will be rubbing their hands together with this news.

[N4CR]

in general alcohol causes more problems and more deaths than drugs in total numbers due to the large amount of people who consume it. in terms of per user (effects wise) it wouldn't be as bad as drugs however. we can't ban alcohol though as it's a great source of income. just like smoking which is even worse and has no positive effects for the user - pretty much all of the good ones can be obtained in other ways, apart from blowing smoke outta ya mouth.

i personally don't think party pills are that bad, i've used them a few times before while working in the hospitality industry, doing 12-14 hour shifts over night means you need them to keep going, moving crates of beer etc (or a ridiculous amount of red bull). they **** you over pretty bad for the next day doing that though. i don't use them recreationally.
in normal usage depending on what else you do you should be not too bad the next day, no worse than moderate alc consumption. first few times you try are the worst however.

i don't think they should ban these as everyone who uses them recreationally will just jump to e etc instead. horse tranq anyone? at least these have quality control.

good one govt. smart decision!

[oldrider]

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[Hitcher]

Sure. If you take these substances off the shelf....you just know kids are still going to want to 'experiment'. Who will they have to deal with when these substances are banned? What will they have to do to get them...and what else will they be given? I don't have children, but if I did, I'd far rather they buy these things off the shelf, than god knows what from people I'd REALLY not want them to associate with. It will happen. The criminal fraternity will be rubbing their hands together with this news.

But "off the shelf" would require compliance with a bunch of standards and manufacture to rigourous standards using approved and regulated ingredients. Presumably Johnny from Johnsonville could still manufacture and distribute equivalent products made from christ-knows-what for a fraction of the cost of the "off-the-shelf" items. Johnny certainly wouldn't be paying any taxes! I suspect that the "criminal fraternity" wins either way.

And another issue is should we be encouraging kids to consume unproven and unregulated mind-altering substances? Sure, alcohol in excess has its problems, but at least society and medical practitioners know how to "manage" this. What's wrong with just sticking to the stuff we understand, rather than looking for increasingly exotic chemical pleasures?

[Swoop]

I vaguely remembered that they stopped using it as a drench for some reason. A quick google later and

"BZP was rejected as a cattle drench because it was considered too tough on the cattle"

do they not know, or simply not care?

They were just really pissed off with all the cows partying it up, in the back paddock, all hours of the day and night!

Quality control?? pahhh!
Licenced manufacturers?? pahh!!
Quality ingredients?? pahh!!

Sounds vaguely like a few of the takeaway outlets around town........
*meow*

[Crasherfromwayback]

But "off the shelf" would require compliance with a bunch of standards and manufacture to rigourous standards using approved and regulated ingredients. Presumably Johnny from Johnsonville could still manufacture and distribute equivalent products made from christ-knows-what for a fraction of the cost of the "off-the-shelf" items. Johnny certainly wouldn't be paying any taxes! I suspect that the "criminal fraternity" wins either way.

And another issue is should we be encouraging kids to consume unproven and unregulated mind-altering substances? Sure, alcohol in excess has its problems, but at least society and medical practitioners know how to "manage" this. What's wrong with just sticking to the stuff we understand, rather than looking for increasingly exotic chemical pleasures?

I know what you're saying Hitcher...but do we have such problems with Johnny from Johnsonville making his alcohol and selling it? No.

And I don't think that it means we're encouraging kids to experiment.....they're going to anyway (as kids do)...and making it taboo I think may even make it more atrractive.

[Deano]

Why the fuck would any one want to take BZP (cattle drench )

BZP is simply one component of cattle drench. But it's more dramatic the way you say it.

And to answer your question with a question - Why the fark would any one want to drink rocket fuel ? (alcohol)

If it's so easy to ban party pills, why are cigarettes still legal ?

[Sniper]

Good, about time these things were banned

[canarlee]

pretty simple to me really, we live in a free world(?), educate people and then let them make their own mind up.


thats just how i see it, as otherwise we should all be going back to walking, and no motor vehicles at all, no alchohol,smoking, no eating meat (humans teeth are made for eating vegetation not meat anyway, i mean a dogs teeth are generally pointed, designed for tearing meat, our teeth are not)ect ect, cant hurt ourselves or others that way can we?

not very well put i know, but i think you get what i mean
i dunno?

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

BZP is simply one component of cattle drench. But it's more dramatic the way you say it.

And to answer your question with a question - Why the fark would any one want to drink rocket fuel ? (alcohol)

If it's so easy to ban party pills, why are cigarettes still legal ?

I personally don't care what people do and or take to tell the honest truth... free will and choice and all that...

[Chrislost]

thems nasty things!
make you thirsty and running arund drinking water(or beer)
bad if u drink beer because then you get drunk
and then when you should be going to sleep and sleeping it off you cant sleep
so your spinning around and around.
and then you get to sleep at about lunchtime and wake up a hour later.
and then about 3 days later you start eating again.

[bungbung]

"Dry old conversation Florence"

The new Steinlager 'Pure' isn't as good as the regular kind, but any port in a storm.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The new Steinlager 'Pure' isn't as good as the regular kind, but any port in a storm.

Correct. Nothing can beat the true Steinlager.

[inlinefour]

Aarg!
I use them and I like them.
Totally legal in shops now, selling BZP will be punishable by EIGHT YEARS IN JAIL when it becomes illegal. It'll be a class C1 drug.

A glass of Nanny-State, anyone?

I'm all for them becoming illegal based on my 4+ years of working in an inpatient psychiatric ward as a registered nurse. Have seen some ugly shit as a result of these pills. I undersrtand that you like them, however there are plenty out there who like other drugs that also cause havoc. Why should these party pills be treated any differently?

[Chrislost]

Yet you are prepared to ingest materials that have no list of ingredients, schedule of approved ingredients or quality control systems used in their manufacture? Just because something is sold "off the shelf" is no guarantee. Just look at the recent anti-freeze toothpaste saga. Caveat emptor.

yeah but that shit was made in china.
everyone knows that stuff form theres crap!