Never happen here .. this is NZ

[SARGE]

Iron sights are fine to 300 yards (in my case, more in others) You need to see my favourite transport case for my big rifle....

i never liked the 1000 yard shots personally .. im more of an up close and personal kinda relationship builder

iron sights always did me fine for the ranges i worked at

[babyblade250rr]

Would that the 'proper' believers of Islam would rise up and help wipe out the fanatical pigs-twats that are giving the 'proper' ones a bad name.

Honestly i hope they would especially if they are want to show they are genuine i think there maybe be some muslim (American) troops fighting the war along side

[jimbo600]

i never liked the 1000 yard shots personally .. im more of an up close and personal kinda relationship builder

iron sights always did me fine for the ranges i worked at

Jeez all this talk about iron sights and yards. Fuck that, get with the lasers and HE.

Put some area denial stuff in there too to prevent the fuckers returning.

[Hitcher]

So is this thread off topic? It's hard to tell...

[Patrick]

Iron sights are fine to 300 yards (in my case, more in others) You need to see my favourite transport case for my big rifle....

Your Levi jeans???

[Sniper]

Your Levi jeans???

Roffle, not quite.

[SARGE]

Jeez all this talk about iron sights and yards. Fuck that, get with the lasers and HE.

Put some area denial stuff in there too to prevent the fuckers returning.

nah... that stuff is used to make up for lack of training and marksmanship..


and no Hitcher .. this isnt off topic at all..

when the shit hits the fan here .. best to know who can shoot and who needs to be left in the rear with the gear ..

[oldrider]

Off Topic (sort of) but amazing how the persons responsible for the depletion of out armed services are so quick to front their gargoyle type faces to the media when a member of said armed services is getting the Victoria Cross.

Just thought I'd throw that in...

Still off topic:

And I thought nobody else had noticed, yes she has always been one for a Photo opportunity! Just thought, I agree with you!

[Hitcher]

when the shit hits the fan here .. best to know who can shoot and who needs to be left in the rear with the gear ..

Or who gets shot up the rear?

[Patrick]

Or who gets shot up the rear?

Kepp the yank up front... you know what they say about "friendly fire?"

Up there, you can keep your eye on him... Sounds like that is where he would prefer to be anyways.

[SARGE]

Or who gets shot up the rear?

dont beg..your virginity aint worth that much

[SARGE]

Kepp the yank up front... you know what they say about "friendly fire?"

Up there, you can keep your eye on him... Sounds like that is where he would prefer to be anyways.

wouldnt be the first ive ive been on point .. hopefully wont be the last

[Timber020]

Only if you are fighting shadows. That's the problem with the present war on "terror" as I outlined earlier. Once the correct target (militant Islam as opposed to mythical "islamists") is identified, there is a chance of success..[/SIZE][/B]

Terrorism is often all about living in shadows, Osama Bin Ladin has been the most hunted creature on this earth for how long, how much reward is there for him now? How many people are searching for him? Terrorists can only thrive and survive in a society that identifys more with the terrorists cause than those the terrorists target. Its like having a local cop that people dont like or trust, your less likely to go out of your way to give him info to catch someone you might identify with. This lesson should have been learned in the war of independance, germanys invasion of europe (where partisan groups could be found everywhere) and more recently in vietnam where without the heavy handedness of the ARVN and US forces the VC wouldnt have had a place to hide or a motivation for their numbers to swell to the dangerous levels that they ended up being.

If your anti-terrorism actions,intending to make civilians safe, alienate your "allies", than a question must be asked, "do I really need enemies, or the friends will do for now"? Diplomacy is certainly not the tool for fighting terrorism. If fighting terrorism with weapons is akin to fighting fire with fire, diplomacy, i.e. negotiating with terrorists is like fighting fire with fuel..[/SIZE][/B]

Anyone or any nation who drops friends because they dont tow the line with everything they do, is led by short term gain fools. And in the long term will only be surrounded by mercenary friends, or those not strong enough to really stand by them when they most need them.

You can't fight by trying. Full stop. Yoda said it best: "Do, or do not. There is no try." That's in part the American problem. They are trying to do the right thing instead of actually doing it. No one fights World War with 50000 troops. It takes millions. The army the size of allied army of WWII could have won their war (on condition that they fight the correct enemy) in a matter of weeks. .[/SIZE][/B]

Actually there is a plenty of serious high rollers on the list.

That's your personal opinion. Their opinions may differ. We all entitled to one, aren't we? The problem however is not in their massive military. The problem is in their massive PC that prevents their military from doing their job. .[/SIZE][/B]

PC meaning not giving the military open slather to treat the world like the germans treated europe, or the japanese treated asia? Unrestricted military action is just a chance for the generals to play with there biggest toys. MacArthur wanted to use the atom bomb in the Korean war against north Korea, russian and china, Westmoreland thought about using nukes in the seige of Khe Sahn. I dont mean that they would use these kind of weopons but it was the inability to control generals that gave us the slaughter and mess of WW1.
Taking the gloves would just turn the american army into something between the Gestapo and SS.

Nothing emboldens terrorists more than percieved weakness. US enables terror attacks on itself by strictly following its extremely restrictive rules of engagement, allowing terroists escape unscathed. Have you ever heard about terrorism in China? In Egypt? In Russia? That's because those countries have simple anti-terrorism ROE: "Kill them all and let Allah sort them out". Uigures (sp?), Chechens, and members of Moslem Brotherhood learned that messing with their host countries is just not worth it..[/SIZE][/B]

Russia and Egypt are all victims of terrorism, more so than the US ever has been. Chechnians have not "learned the lesson" yet, they are still very active, there two famous raids (theatre and school) were done well after the russians had "taken the gloves off." China doesnt need terrorism, the corruption there terrorises the people enough.

Having said all that, I have to admit that the outlook is not good. President Bush has demonstrated to the world that trying anything that may potentially take more than 4 - 6 years to achieve is a political suicide. This is the one most important thing that will motivate terrorists all over the world for the generations to come - the fact that they can win by attrition. All it takes is to survive one US presidential term.

Times on the bad guys side, alquada was a dwindling lost group prior to 911, now its infected half the globe.

[SARGE]

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[Sanx]

how to bring safe old NZ to its knees in 24 hours ...

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this was thought out as i typed it .. how destructive could it be if a determined someone had a year to think about it?

SARGE, remind me not to piss you off.

And, unfortunately, it is that easy. And it being that easy makes a complete mockery of the sort of regulations the TSA and other like putting on international flights. They're patching up the system after the events. If you wanted to cause utter panic, you don't attack an airport or an aircraft, you set off several relatively small bombs in supermarkets. Or at rugby games.