Here's one for all you back room lawyers

[spudchucka]

- there are other ways to fu^H^Htrip them up if you need to.

You mean like that going international thing you mentioned once?

Re the fine for not producing licence - sounds bogus to me... and it is a $55 fine only, no demerits.

[Nasty]

A chap I know foolishly rode his pushbike through a Stop sign, right in front of a police patrol. Quite rightly, he was stopped and ticketed for that. However, in addition, he was given a further ticket ($150/20 demerit points) for failing to produce his driver's license.

He says, riding a pushbike, why should you. The cop's view was, as he was a road user, and had a valid driver's license, then he must carry it whenever on a public road, whether driving a vehicle that the license applies to or not.

Sounds dodgy to me, I'd be in court like a flash.

Any thoughts...?

The cop being a prick ... but there is a problem here .. you have to look if there is a precedent set. I am not sure how to do that.

[marty]

I was wondring how long it would take for someone to pick that up.

was obvious the moment i read it, but this IS Kiwibiker after all.....and I wanted to read pc's reply

[MarkH]

Dispute the ticket and lodge a complaint with the Police Whitewash Authority.

(An obvious rejoinder is "I don't have one" )

Once you have given your name the fuzz can check up to see if you have a license, I don't think claiming to not have one is a brilliant idea.

But I agree with no need to carry one when riding a push bike - you ain't operating a motor vehicle on the road therefore you don't need your license on you. I think he should definitely dispute the ticket.

[CookMySock]

Once you have given your name the fuzz can check up to see if you have a license, I don't think claiming to not have one is a brilliant idea.

So you lied? Boo fucken hoo. Just ride away, you don't have to stand on the roadside like some subservient little pleb unless you under arrest, and if they DO threaten to arrest you for some obviously trumped up bullshit, just at them and walk off. The pigs aren't gods.

Steve

[Tank]

So you lied? Boo fucken hoo. Just ride away, you don't have to stand on the roadside like some subservient little pleb unless you under arrest, and if they DO threaten to arrest you for some obviously trumped up bullshit, just at them and walk off. The pigs aren't gods.

Steve

Its funny - I treat the police with respect and NEVER have I had the kind of problems others on here have.

I think that the root of the issue is that 'behavior breeds behavior'. So being a bit of a ass, lying, walking off because you arnt under arrest, and calling them pigs gets you a whole lot of hassle.

Being polite and nice (as you seem to expect them to do to you regardless) gets the same back.

Not rocket science - and it seems to work.

[CookMySock]

Its funny - I treat the police with respect and NEVER have I had the kind of problems others on here have.

As do I. If you understood MY situation you would see where I am coming from, and how I gained all these negative experiences, but you don't, so you won't, and I'm not going to sumarise them all for you. Suffice to say, it's my opinion and my experience, and people can take what they want from it, as it would be from yourself.

I think that the root of the issue is that 'behavior breeds behavior'. So being a bit of a ass, lying, walking off because you arnt under arrest, and calling them pigs gets you a whole lot of hassle.

Name-calling the cops is just for entertainment. I don't mistreat hell out of the NZ Police whenever I see them - it's just a game on the Internet. I have not had a good run with the Police when I NEEDED THEM for support, yet they are quite happy to trip me up for any tiny administrative error, so now I do not care for their feelings, and that's stiff titty /HTFU for them, just as it was for me. If they want me to stand and discuss some crap with them, I will not. Tough. You must understand, Tank, that these people WILL trip you up with ANYTHING they can pin on you, depending on whether they are having a fun day or not. Sooner or later this will happen to you, and then you will see.

Being polite and nice (as you seem to expect them to do to you regardless) gets the same back.

I agree. But this is part of my personality that I use as a tool, not part of my ethos that I offer as respect to my friends and family, and to you. If you afford this level of respect to the Police by default, do not be shocked to discover they use it as a tool against you.

You will see in time.

Steve

[Indoo]

So you lied? Boo fucken hoo. Just ride away, you don't have to stand on the roadside like some subservient little pleb unless you under arrest, and if they DO threaten to arrest you for some obviously trumped up bullshit, just at them and walk off. The pigs aren't gods.

Steve

That bit of advice is so idiotic, childish and ignorant it almost deserves a reward! All that will do rather than making yourself feel big and the cop angry and powerless to do anything about it (presumably what Dangerous dreams of one day doing) is wind up giving him just the excuse he needs to arrest and wreck the day of the smart arse giving him grief.

[CookMySock]

All that will do rather than making yourself feel big and the cop angry and powerless to do anything about it [...] is wind up giving him just the excuse he needs to arrest and wreck the day of the smart arse giving him grief.

In your opinion. I am already big, and he is already angry and powerless (sounds like you are too), and that is his problem, not mine.

Steve

[Usarka]

In your opinion. I am already big, and he is already angry and powerless (sounds like you are too), and that is his problem, not mine.

Steve

No he has the power to check your details on the radio, then chase you in his 200+kph holden and bust you for providing false details.

Or will you ninja kick him in the head and steal his car?

[Indoo]

In your opinion. I am already big, and he is already angry and powerless (sounds like you are too), and that is his problem, not mine.

Steve

The fact that you would be the one in the handcuffs and getting a conviction out of it all because of your ego would make it more your problem.

[scumdog]

The fact that you would be the one in the handcuffs and getting a conviction out of it all because of your ego would make it more your problem.

One of the more sensible posts on this thread I daresay...

[Tank]

Spot a dangerous theme here.

Remember on ALL of these occasions its the cops attitude.

Welcome to the real world. EVERY time I have been victimised by some scum lowlife and went to the pigs about it, they were like "(pregnant pause) well, what did you do to deserve that? long silence ensues..."

"Fucking useless cunts" only begins to describe how helpless we have felt at times.

They called me up yesterday while I was out with my daughters, and told them to get lost and hung up on them. Supposedly I "had to" come down to the police station and sort some shit out. I couldn't give a cup of crap. next.

DB

Right with you there bro, the pigs have never done anything fucking useful for me, there were some times when I could have really really done with a hand, yet they are at every fucking corner ready to catch me on the slightest administrative slipup. Ooh your RUC is 1,100 km over !! Thats 400bux kthx.


DB

haha, yeah right "$150 fine lol - bring it, bitch.." see you in court. GFY! /me rides off.

pigs have no right to stop you simply for an angry dressing down on the roadside.

Sharpen up, pigs. Your ability to actually assist normal law-abiding citizens is fucking piss-poor.

DB

The thing to rely on is, the pigs don't like egg on their face in front of the judge - it's not a professional look for them when they need all the credibility they can get (in court anyway - credibility in public irrelevant.) When the judge is shown yet another line of collossal blunders all for an $80 ticket, it doesnt look good for them at all.

So exploit any mistake they make with as much bullshit and strong wording as possible, and if you are lucky they will say "ahhh fuckit" and throw it in the rubbish bin. It helps to mention a few large organisations, such as the NZRTA lawyers etc - that makes then swallow hard.

I haven't been ticketed for anything for years and years, and I don't aim to be, but I know a bit about how to fuck people up so they go elsewhere.

While I dislike the pigs intensely (rant deleted) I am glad they are there getting the pissheads and other morons off the road so they don't kill your and my teenage daughters.

nuff sed

DB

I sense some bitterness in the force.

Again - I'm polite and never had a problem. I'm guessing I never will. DB - sometimes you just have to acknowledge that a grumpy approach simply dosnt help in this kind of situation. By being a pain or (as you put it) fucking people up - generally makes it a more drawn out and unpleasant situation.

[jtepaa]

Well 1st off he went through a stop sign. Not a good move. However it is being questioned at this time wether or not a helmet should be worn. So for a Police officer to have the audacity to excercise his executive power in a way that contradicts legislation is beyond proportion and can easily be nullified. You would have been charged if you were riding on the footpath which is stupid. (Did he expect you to fly or something). That and the other thing he could argue is that there is no specific license for riding a bike meaning a 5 year old could get a ticket for riding his bike on the road without a license.

[Renegade]

what was this thread about again??