Improvements to Winter Series, well done VMCC!

[White trash]

Got nothing to do with pettiness, why are there no 600s racing in the Superbike class at NAtionals or street meetings?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPERBIKES

its a good thing for superbikes agreed.
but is it really going to draw a full grid of superbikes???
L G an vmcc have made a big move an invested alot which is good for the sport but is a extra race or 2 gona make the diff? i find it hard to beleve.
is it gona get people to buy a thou an race all year?
good on L G an vmcc gess well see how well this class is gona be.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I doubt it will fill a grid with Superbikes, however it's got to be a step in the right direction at getting a few more 1000cc bikes to the meetings.

3 races a day in stead of two, and the promise of a big fat prize at the end of it.

[Shaun]

its a good thing for superbikes agreed.
but is it really going to draw a full grid of superbikes???
L G an vmcc have made a big move an invested alot which is good for the sport but is a extra race or 2 gona make the diff? i find it hard to beleve.
is it gona get people to buy a thou an race all year?
good on L G an vmcc gess well see how well this class is gona be.

You're right, I doubt it will fill a grid with Superbikes, however it's got to be a step in the right direction at getting a few more 1000cc bikes to the meetings.

3 races a day in stead of two, and the promise of a big fat prize at the end of it.[/QUOTE]


All that this new race plan is going to do, is allow some SLOWISH rider on a 1000cc bike, to get a better finish result, with out the 600zzz being there

So how is this actually doing any good for our sport of racing, apart from just proving that you NEED MONEY to make things happen

[flame]

Got nothing to do with pettiness, why are there no 600s racing in the Superbike class at NAtionals or street meetings?

BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUPERBIKES

NO! because its EXPENSIVE to enter two classes at National level or on the Streets, unlike club level!

All that this new race plan is going to do, is allow some SLOWISH rider on a 1000cc bike, to get a better finish result, with out the 600zzz being there

My point exactly, I have access to an F1 bike, so I could enter, but thats not getting the 'premier' riders out there (so I wouldn't bother). Yet top national riders which deserve to race in the 'elite' class are denied because of cc's?

Truely I admire LG and VMCC for taking a step forward, but surely its our National stars that should be given the chance to qualify for an 'elite' class. One extra class at club level surely won't inspire people to buy a thou

Surely it would be a more spectacular class to allow the Top 30 fastest times of the day, like I said before. Maximise the grid, and and make it a race for 'rider's'.......not bikes! surely the thou's wouldn't miss out! or would they??

[White trash]

NO! because its EXPENSIVE to enter two classes at National level or on the Streets, unlike club level!

Wrong sorry luv. You are not permitted to enter a 600cc in the Superbike class at National level. Take a peak at the rules. Also, most street rac events, do not permit the cross entry of a single bike between F2 and F1.

Surely it would be a more spectacular class to allow the Top 30 fastest times of the day, like I said before. Maximise the grid, and and make it a race for 'rider's'.......not bikes! surely the thou's wouldn't miss out! or would they??

Good idea that actually. a Top 30 race would be spectacular, have you put that suggestion forward to VMCC for consideration? It'd get my vote for backing.

In regards to the issue of a prize being offered for a "Superbike" only class, it was one persons idea to make the 1000cc classs more attractive, he ssubmitted an idea on how best he thought it could be done, the VMCC race committee saw fit to make it happen.

[GSVR]

My point exactly, I have access to an F1 bike, so I could enter, but thats not getting the 'premier' riders out there (so I wouldn't bother). Yet top national riders which deserve to race in the 'elite' class are denied because of cc's?

You have access to an F1 bike but you'd much rather be riding BEARS right?

From this spectators point of veiw I would rather have seen F1 and F2 combined. On Manfeild if you can't blow away a 600 on a litre bike you possibly should consider learning to ride better on a 600 first. They are alot cheaper to run as well.

And the extra race could have been an all Bears afair. I reacon people would be surprised at the amount of really good bears bikes around that aren't being raced.

Open Bears for the Nationals too.

[Shaun]

You have access to an F1 bike but you'd much rather be riding BEARS right?

From this spectators point of veiw I would rather have seen F1 and F2 combined. On Manfeild if you can't blow away a 600 on a litre bike you possibly should consider learning to ride better on a 600 first. They are alot cheaper to run as well.

And the extra race could have been an all Bears afair. I reacon people would be surprised at the amount of really good bears bikes around that aren't being raced.

Open Bears for the Nationals too.

+1 to this post

[GIXser]

I cant believe the feedback people, Shaun its not about the money !!, The LG team are merely promoting the superbike class, nothing else !!

There is no reason why someone cant approach vmcc and set up a 600 class.. oh hang on.. thats right there is a 600 class already !!!

The LG team is quitely working in the background to get some Tv coverage for vmcc, is that not good for the sport either ??

The more we can promote the sport with a premier class, the more attention it will get, and yes people get over it ... it is a premier class..!!

I had an idea (and ill give it some more thought) i was going to invite a winner of a 600 class to ride one of the LG superbikes in the race (all expenses paid... but if too many people are winging about it i wont bother.. all LG are trying to do folks... is promote the sport .
VMCC saw some benefit in this.. please feel free to come up with some better ideas!!! other than that please stop ya pessimism !!

[Shaun]

I cant believe the feedback people, Shaun its not about the money !!, The LG team are merely promoting the superbike class, nothing else !!

There is no reason why someone cant approach vmcc and set up a 600 class.. oh hang on.. thats right there is a 600 class already !!!

The LG team is quitely working in the background to get some Tv coverage for vmcc, is that not good for the sport either ??

The more we can promote the sport with a premier class, the more attention it will get, and yes people get over it ... it is a premier class..!!

I had an idea (and ill give it some more thought) i was going to invite a winner of a 600 class to ride one of the LG superbikes in the race (all expenses paid... but if too many people are winging about it i wont bother.. all LG are trying to do folks... is promote the sport .
VMCC saw some benefit in this.. please feel free to come up with some better ideas!!!

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[Shaun P]

Well your last Paragraph just blew any real street cred you had going for LG dude, best start again eh


"Quote" Bollocks, all LG and you and your brother are doing, is promote the name LG, it will NOT help the Vic Club in any way, just give your sponsors more coverage of there name, but good on ya

PS, the riders do have the write to voice there opinions on this Eddie, and replying in the way you just have, does not help at all dude, and I know you are a bigger man than that

Maybe, but inst that the whole idea...

Sorry to say it but at least their words arnt just talk

[Clivoris]

Great to see this discussion occurring. The intention of this class was clearly set out above. I do struggle to understand why, when one group of people get something, there is another group who react as if something has been taken away from them. Adding this race/class will not take anything away from anyone. We cannot please everyone and we wanted something different, not an extra F2/F1 combined race, which is what would make up the majority of the top 30.
We get a lot of suggestions from people about introducing classes that their bikes will be competitive in. They have some validity but what it often seems to boil down to is "I don't want to race if I can't be at the front". All I can say is, if it's that important to you, get a competitive bike that fits into an existing class, don't try to change the weather because you don't like raincoats. If you don't want to, fine. There are plenty of people out there racing with no show of winning, but having a bloody ball growing their skills and hanging-off with like-minded mentalists. It isn't all about being at the front on a competitive bike, and there is a class for every bike. So what if you can't cross-enter on it. Frankly that's a weak excuse. At Delboy's funeral, someone who posts on here modififed a quote by Hemingway; Motorcycle racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games for children. Motorcycle racing is not a game for children.
I am a huge fan of bears racing and would love to get a bears class going at VMCC. Who wants to decide which class gets kicked out to accomodate it? To those who think we should have a bears meeting, come and get involved with the VMCC committee. Take RESPONSIBILITY for organising it. How many of these awesome bears racing v-twins turned up for the Open Twin class at the Manfield round of the Nationals? Talk is cheap people.
Honestly, if someone wants to run a North Island Sound of Thunder I am willing to support the discussion with VMCC, but you would need to make it happen. The current committee are doing as much as we can.
Thanks for the supportive comments.

[Skunk]

If you want something to happen you must grab the bull by the horns and do it. Eddie and co stepped up with a plan and approached VMCC with it. VMCC saw merit (and had heard of some mutterings in the background about lack of track time for Superbikes - though no-one directly approached them) and added it in.
Dan and Trevor have come up with a set of rules that break '250 Streetstocks' out onto their own. No longer are they 'street stock'.

Don't whinge - do something.

[Tony.OK]

Crickey......................funny how a good idea can upset so many when if run well it doesn't have much, if any effect on them at all.

I mean no one is having their class cut, cross entry for classes is the same as it was last year, there were no BEARS classes last year and I don't recall any moaning, the F2 riders got their share at F1...........alot were too buggered to do all 4 races anyway.

How is a BEARS race any more user friendly than a specific SBK race, can a Jappa owner enter?..................No?................maybe we should have a Jap only class?.......................isn't that the same thing?


There will always be someone who feels hard done by, if its such a raw deal, why not join in?

[flame]

You have access to an F1 bike but you'd much rather be riding BEARS right?

They are BOTH BEARs , but you are right, I much rather be riding BEARs.

[flame]

And the extra race could have been an all Bears afair. I reacon people would be surprised at the amount of really good bears bikes around that aren't being raced.

Open Bears for the Nationals too.

Now that would put a smile on all the Triumph, Ducati, Aprilia and KTM guys n gals faces there is a LOT of them around.
I HAVE spoken to VMCC about this in the recent past, and it was not taken overly positively (a tight schedule was mentioned!!) . And as for the open twins support class at the Nats??? I was unaware of it until the week before. Yep my own fault for not checking, but I had written of doing the Nats because of costs (Paeroa and Sound of thunder in the same month) and therefore didn't check the program earlier.

Anyhoo....looks like we are not supposed to be discussing the new class issues on here, voicing opinions often gets taken as a 'whinge' when your actually only trying to throw around a few ideas

[ktm]

How to turn a good positive thread in to another wank fest.

If you actually grew a pair and did decide to take your super puke racing you would be bound to see where the rest of us are coming from.
Now go and play around on NZ dating or some thing.

That's what I love about this forum. Some people just can't handle debate, or any opinions other than their own, and so have to get personal when they run out of logic. It's an easy game, and one which I must say I can play too.
So young driftn,(I imagine you are young from the tone of your comments) FYI and anyone else who's interested, the Super Duke is my road bike , but I raced it last year, in the Winter Series and had a great time. I will race again when I wish to, perhaps in this years series. Come and say hello if you like.
As for growing a pair, mine are working fine and I have kids to prove it.
Now go and repeat your abusive comments to all the other people who are disagreeing with your view of things, say starting with Shaun, if YOU have the balls. By the way, what's your relationship to team LG? Family ties perhaps? Bye bye