To Robert Taylor and other MNZ bashers

[FleshDevice]

Sounds to me like all involved in this and the other threads are all on the same page, ie want whats best for Motorcycle racing in New Zealand, but typically Ego's as well as private agendas get in the way of it so the inevitable shit fight emerges within the masses.

In my view such things should be lead from the top based on research into the problems, cant see it happening though.

You all Got Some Issues . Alignment Accoss the Ditch Would Help making the Progession of this sport alot more exciting.

[cowpoos]

You all Got Some Issues . Alignment Accoss the Ditch Would Help making the Progession of this sport alot more exciting.

it would....but align our classes with which ones of theirs??

[tl1000]

Mark
Get your facts right, actually holding up a pit board and suggesting the TV coverage be put on youtube, i THINK YOUR BROTHER HAS BEEN TEELING YOU PORKIES AGAIN,
nothing TO DO WITH AN ASSAULT, AND IF YOU CAN BELIVE THE PRESIDENT THEY COULDNT "ATTACK Jim Tuckerman as not a member, pretty sure NC wasnt a member either,
Suzuki Muma has her finger on the pulse and shows more common cents than all the MNZ board and CEO boiled up together.

[smoky]

Yep and your the Joke

Man you really didn't like my humor did you!
thanks for the red rep!

Nice use of the english language;
"What is that about not maling it personal you can talk you hypocritical arsewipe look what you said in this post looks pretty personal to me you cock sucker" (Scouse)

You've obviously got some anger issues to work thru, poor boy - you're the kind of person that puts people off having anything to do with organisations like MNZ, there's always someone who gets bent out of shape over the smallest insignificant issue - then gets verbally abusive and personal.
I use to support clubs, been a member in the past, even joining in fund raising and helping to organise events.
But attitudes like yours - burn it for people like me

I respect people like Frosty and Robert T, I may not agree with them, but at lest they act with a passion for the sport.
As Quassi has pointed out (in the best post so far)
" typically Ego's as well as private agendas get in the way "

[smoky]

..... thick fat fuck like yourself,
.....Got that now mr Downs syndrome?

Cool ... more abuse from you in my in-box, and another red rep. You guys all seem a bit uptight about all this

[White trash]

Cool ... more abuse from you in my in-box, and another red rep. You guys all seem a bit uptight about all this

It's KB mate, you're not allowed an oppinon of your own without someone getting pissed off and resorting to name calling.

Get used to it.

[smoky]

It's KB mate, you're not allowed an oppinon of your own without someone getting pissed off and resorting to name calling.

Get used to it.

been around long enough to realise that; but I'm highlighting it to make a point; A point I think people interested in the topic of this thread should take note of

When people stop discussing things from a 'what's best for the sport' atitude, and take a personal line of trying to intimidate, abuse, and disrespect others - then nothing being discussed in this thread will ever be any better.

Surely we all have more in common to build on, and solve problems, rather than being immature and resorting to abusing each other?

[simonnn]

I think both Mark and Robert are fine fellows.
I am sure they would both bat for the same team if it wasnt for the fact that Marks gene pool was close to the Isles of Lesbos and Robert suffers from a Lithium defeciancy.

Paint the Pig Pink I say.

[scracha]

I think both Mark and Robert are fine fellows.
I am sure they would both bat for the same team if it wasnt for the fact that Marks gene pool was close to the Isles of Lesbos and Robert suffers from a Lithium defeciancy.

Paint the Pig Pink I say.

Was that really necessary?

[idleidolidyll]

Mark, this reply is from Mike Breen. I've known you guys for a long time now.
The first thing I have to offer is that I too have criticised MNZ in the recent past and that was due to the crazy exclusion of motards from F3. Paul was not my target but he wasn't happy that I aired the issue here.
Unlike Mr Taylor, I have no financial stake in motorcycle racing in NZ and therefore believe my comments were impartial. I believe an open forum like this is actually far better than the secret squirrel crap from the past and as all of us are aware; many of the old regimes decisions seemed pretty arbitrary and taken to support their sponsors, specific importers, rather than riders.
I was elected rider rep at Wanganui one year and stood up to the race nazis for which I was mongrelled and was threatened with expulsion on the day.
That said, I understand that MNZ is an elected body. However, like some governments, it seems to believe that once elected, it can do whatever the committee members wish with little real buy in from the majority or riders.

If MNZ is primarily there to support importers and dealers then perhaps we need a seperate riders association. If they are there to support riders, we need transparency.

In my opinion, Mr Taylor is looking after his business first.

I know that Paul advised a friend of mine that he would be allowed to race an "R" spec Ducati in the premiere class but was later told that no R spec bikes woulkd be allowed. I believe the committee made that decision not Paul.The 'logic' was that R bikes are too expensive and too exclusive. I believe that is ridiculous when a Yamaha or Suzuki will have $30,000+ spent on mods after purchase to be a winner and that people like Mr Taylor are the main beneficiaries of that policy. Effectively, Japanese proddy bikes are being turned into R spec bikes and the end cost is much the same.

As above, I believe Pauls' heart is in the right place but he is subject to overuling by the committee. Again, transparency may be an answer and the entire committee and management of MNZ should be open to scrutiny at all times. For major decisions, I believe licence holders should have individual votes (referenda) and those who are thinking of racing should be allowed some measure of voice.

Yes, racing suspension is obviously a major contributor to Mr Taylors income and he would benefit greatly from turning more and more std Japanese bikes into R spec suspended machines. Bring back production as non modified and allow an open class as in the poast where Brittens, Moriwakis, Yoshimuras, McIntoch's and R Ducatis etc plus highly modified road bikes can compete as in the heady days of the 70's and 80's.

As per my first example, Paul seems to have been overridden by the committee and this makes claims that Paul can act dictatorially dubious in the least and ridiculous in fact.

I concur totally: regardless of what decisions Paul is able or unable to make under the auspices of the democratic process within MNZ; his heart is in exactly the right place and he will always do whatever he thinks is best for motorcycle racing in NZ. Paul, apart from a salary smaller no doubt than his previous management job, does not profit from any specific decision made by MNZ the way Mr Taylor does.This is the crux of the issue: Is MNZ there to support racing or is it an organisation tasked with increasing the profit margins of importers, retails and tuners?
Back in the days before sponsorship really came to NZ; the sport was much bigger than today with respect to entry numbers and crowd support. If a shift toward industry support over the wishes and desires of the riders themselves has reduced entries and crowds, then it is ultimately self defeating regardless of the short term gain for some businesses.

Boring racing in NZ is watching the same well funded teams win again and again while excellent riders on less expensive machinery say "bugger it". Boring racing are classes with 5 or 6 entries riding around Puke: Yawn

Mr Taylor has called me a socialist and attacked me many times on that basis. Using political terminology, if I am a socialist, Mr Taylor is a fascist and I wonder if he is as proud of that epithet as I am of "socialist"?

The last time I made such a comment, a complaint was made even though it (the orignal comment) was made on the basis of the political views offered and dictionary definitions of the views offered. I expect it will be the same (this time).

Mark, I have great respect for both you and Paul and know you have both given much to the sport. I support both of you and believe you do the best for riders and the sport regardless of the effect on income to businesses.

Just as I write this, a mutual friend tells me that 70,000 UK quid was spent on a bike to get 2 miles per hour more in average speed around the Isle of Mann (GSXR1000). This is crazy and we don't need it in NZ.

[Robert Taylor]

That tired old chestnut, vested interests! WHAT IS WRONG WITH MAKING MONEY ( albeit small amounts ) ???????????? The reality is that if the classes were closer to production we'd end up making more money. But thered also be a lot more grief, FACT.
I did a quick survey of Superbike / 600 cc class bikes at VMCC round 2, about 34 bikes total. About 90% had aftermarket suspension fitted. There doesnt seem to be so much of a problem with machine specification affordability OR the numbers. Its just getting guys to do the Nationals when there is so much travel and accomodation costs involved, plus downtime. Those are the realities, not so much machine specification, although there is room for movement.
If there was a production based formula the same distributor teams would be winning, with bigger margins. The current rules are in fact a leveller, but Im not going to repeat why at length, again. And as you mentioned politics its akin to socialism, its not a leveller at all.
So often rule changes are made by people who are technically illiterate, and pig-headed to boot.

[Robert Taylor]

Oh and by the way at VMCC round 2 I helped a lot pf people set up their bikes at NO CHARGE. My righthand man Dennis came along to help and gets a day in lieu for it, fuel, accomodation and meal costs are incurred. That comes out of our bottomline of sales margins. Hardly a signature of cold hard capitalism is it???? I am indeed conservative politically, but with compassion. Proud of that and proud to speak up even if its unpalatable to some.

[Cleve]

Oh and by the way at VMCC round 2 I helped a lot pf people set up their bikes at NO CHARGE. My righthand man Dennis came along to help and gets a day in lieu for it, fuel, accomodation and meal costs are incurred. That comes out of our bottomline of sales margins. Hardly a signature of cold hard capitalism is it???? I am indeed conservative politically, but with compassion. Proud of that and proud to speak up even if its unpalatable to some.

Actually Robert I think such an idoitic post doesn't require any comment or defence from you.

[Paul in NZ]

I think Max Mosely will be free soon, he could sort this shit out no worries... Well maybe not but he would sure organise some wicked after event parties...

[GSVR]

I think Max Mosely will be free soon, he could sort this shit out no worries... Well maybe not but he would sure organise some wicked after event parties...

I had short lived hopes that Slowpoke had won the 35 million and was going to donate some of it to motorcycle racing but then found out it was a goup of ladies.