Hypothetical situation

**Mom** · 8th May 2009, 18:56

In the hypothetical situation that has been raised, and assuming that nobody was killed/maimed/injured etc I think if it has reached the stage where someone is having to spend money actively defending a charge that will cost them money, and loss of license time (affecting insurances etc), the person that actually did the crime should front up.

Absolutely and completely front up and own the charge.

Good luck to your hypothetical friend oh strange one

**Kiwi Graham:Me** · 8th May 2009, 19:45

Voted man. Why because I think The guilt of letting a mate take the rap for my wrong doings would make for sleepless nights and a risk of ruining a frienship. However if it were a simple no consiquence type thing and your mate was happy to go with it then sweet!

**Mrs Busa Pete** · 9th May 2009, 08:53

**smoky** · 9th May 2009, 09:24

Originally Posted by lankyman

in that case you should let it got to court, and unless he (the cop)can prove which one of you it was there is fuck all he can do

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Sorry, which country do you live in?
In NZ the cop will be believed and you will effectively need to prove your innocence.

Thats my experience - More and more people are realising our justice system is far to biased to police testimony, and police are way to ready to miss represent things, twist the truth and down right lie - while being totally supported and backed up by media and the public who generally swallow what ever their feed, and prejudge based on nothing more than a media whim and the fact the police were involved 'where there's smoke there's fire' mentality

NZ justice system is becoming more and more a joke - and road infringements/charges are the worst example of it

It's no wonder you end up with police being shot over a simple drug raid - doesn't matter if he was innocent or not, he knew he was stuffed the moment police turned up at his house
No justice! I'll go out in a blaze of thunder instead

Sorry rant over......... as you were

**justsomeguy** · 9th May 2009, 11:09

On a ride up north arranged by DMNTD, Erik and I were trudging along SH1.

Passed a Camera Van and thought we were clear for a bit so opened it up. Around the next corner was a squad car waiting for us.

Officer: I can give either both of you tickets or one of you - cos you both were speeding.

I didn't have enough points on my license left and I was in front.

Erik took the ticket - I paid it.

Karma catches up though - cos 2 hours later I got another ticket..

**crash harry** · 9th May 2009, 11:12

Couldn't leave someone else to take the rap for my shit.

**MarkH** · 10th May 2009, 22:21

Most of the time most people will do the right thing. But if the penalty includes demerit points and your mate has 0 while you have 95 - would you automatically confess your guilt to the police to get your innocent mate off? You could talk to your mate and if he is willing to take the demerit point hit then you could pay him the cost of the fine. Or better yet you could suggest that he writes in and explains that it wasn't him - if they let him off then all is good, if they say "no dice, pay up" then you give him the cost of the fine.

But just a shrug and a "tough shit" would not go down well and is not the sort of thing you would expect from a mate.

**DEATH_INC.** · 12th May 2009, 18:14

What about this (hypothetically) , not really mates, but both kber's, dangerous driving charges, loss of licence/risk of job loss etc, lawyers fees ( $$$$$$), days off work etc etc....
in the laws eyes you are guilty until proven innocent....

**Two Smoker** · 12th May 2009, 18:19

Originally Posted by DEATH_INC.

in the laws eyes you are guilty until proven innocent....

This is bullshit, and has happened to me before too...

**Patch** · 12th May 2009, 18:43

Originally Posted by The Stranger

prove your innocence.

even then you are fucked sideways

**MSTRS:Me** · 13th May 2009, 09:21

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

PING - $...Ping - $

How's that attention span coming along?

**Chrislost** · 13th May 2009, 09:35

Originally Posted by DangerousBastard

No, the person who is wrongly accused needs to stop being weak, and stand up to the fuzz and tell them prove it or fuck off.

Steve

If they pinged the wrong guy then all their proof will be up shits creek. Assuming that they dont make up "facts" anymore...

Originally Posted by imdying

I'll admit that I assume it was a burn out or similar, not this particular level of traffic offence.

Careful, burnouts are wayyy more seroius than running some tool that cant look two ways down.

**smoky** · 13th May 2009, 18:16

Originally Posted by Chrislost

.... Assuming that they dont make up "facts" anymore.

Ha - I was hoping so in a recent court case; but lies came easily to the Police officer who said what he had to to win rather than tell the truth, very disappointed in our Police, including a senior prosecutions officer who said he'd waited a long time to nail 'that prick' (being me)

**Maha** · 14th May 2009, 13:19

Hypothetically, if a third party knows who the hypothetical person/s are in this hypothetical situation, would it be fair name them or wait till the Judge has slammed his little hammer then name them?

Or, in the words of the Beatles....Let it Be.?
Maybe Doris Day said it better...Que Sera Sera?

Either way, if this situation ever found its way into my space? by jingos!!!

**smoky** · 14th May 2009, 13:37

Originally Posted by Maha

Hypothetically, if a third party knows who the hypothetical person/s are in this hypothetical situation, would it be fair name them or wait till the Judge has slammed his little hammer

Well hypothetically speaking; since it's a hypothetical situation, and you're asking a hypothetical question to a hypothetical supposition - then hypothetically - no it wont matter because it will all be hypothetical won't it?
Thinking purely hypothetically, of course - your comments would be a hypothetical scenario - if I'm hypothetically correct