Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[codgyoleracer]

A disappointing response Glen after your unsubstantiated statement about agendas, not up to your usual standard of excellent well thought out posts.
Suffice to say my primary motives ( agendas!!) are totally from a technical perspective, anyone that knows me well enough will 100% agree. Technical issues are interesting and I cite the SV650 air intake debacle where many people ( including myself ) went into bat for you and Terry.
If I make a little money from my line of business its fine, I believe making fair and reasonable money is okay and is certainly not a crime in the eyes of most people. Im certainly not driving an Aussie V8 nor have a lavish lifestyle from the proceeds!
There are some great ideas on this thread and it really highlights where a major portion of the costs come from, travel, fuel, accomodation, meals, etc. That impacts on all sports and some of the ideas have real merit

Ok Robert i will keep it simple for you.
To suggest that it is " dangerous" to race on standard suspension (albeit with spring mods) in a proddy style class (i.e superstock 600) is an extremly evocative way to make your point. Your professional position dictates that you should choose your words carefully as it could be easily be misconstrued that you have other agendas in mind.
As far as the second half of your post above - I have absolutley no idea what you are on about.

I can assure you though that it is my own absolute agenda to assist anyone (including mnz & any other entity or competitor for that matter) with my support if they have sound ideas on getting more competitors and more spectators into the national scene of nz road racing, particularily if it means getting new blood into the sport.
Glen Williams

[Robert Taylor]

That's a glorified club round not a National Championship no matter how much coverage it gets

One of the reasons I left karting was the way their National championships are decided

I think it should be a minimum 4 rounds, 2 in the North and 2 in the South, Ruapuna as the GP is run there, and alternating between Teretonga and Levels

They also need to be run further apart, NI in November, SI in February/March or something similar, it means the financial outlay won't all be in one big hit over 2 months and it's easier to get time off work

Even one National meeting every 3 months so they're well spread out, is there any real reason they have to be run so close together?



A more valid comparison to our National series would be with the NZV8 series which is well covered and promoted and gets better crowds than the bikes (or at least it did last time I went) if they can do it why can't we?

That makes sense. When did you do karting and in what classes? The political BS and protests in that sport are mind boggling.

[Robert Taylor]

Ok Robert i will keep it simple for you.
To suggest that it is " dangerous" to race on standard suspension (albeit with spring mods) in a proddy style class (i.e superstock 600) is an extremly evocative way to make your point. Your professional position dictates that you should choose your words carefully as it could be easily be misconstrued that you have other agendas in mind.
As far as the second half of your post above - I have absolutley no idea what you are on about.

I can assure you though that it is my own absolute agenda to assist anyone (including mnz & any other entity or competitor for that matter) with my support if they have sound ideas on getting more competitors and more spectators into the national scene of nz road racing, particularily if it means getting new blood into the sport.
Glen Williams

That was all I asked and I am sure there are people at the top of MNZ that are maintaining I have an agenda. But as I have pointed out many times we see tyre issues from ordinary everyday trackday riders. What applied in the 70s are less workable solutions here on the eve of the second decade in the 21st century.
I was making a point that being a suspension supplier / tuner is certainly not a passport to a lavish lifestyle. When I figure the hours put in against return you wonder why you do it.
Just like Christine Rankin I have no problem in being evocative / up front. We all want more competitors and spectators, no argument about that. There are many good ideas floating around and also some downright idiotic ones from people that have no idea of the technicalities involved. Lets place special emphasis on SOUND IDEAS.

[budda]

I was making a point that being a suspension supplier / tuner is certainly not a passport to a lavish lifestyle. When I figure the hours put in against return you wonder why you do it.
Just like Christine Rankin I have no problem in being evocative / up front. We all want more competitors and spectators, no argument about that. There are many good ideas floating around and also some downright idiotic ones from people that have no idea of the technicalities involved. Lets place special emphasis on SOUND IDEAS.

Jeesus Doc, now I'm making a picture of you in a blonde wig, short skirt and great big danglers ( EARRINGS !!!!! ) Thanks for that .......

[DEATH_INC.]

I kinda like Quasi's idea, but what about combining it with tony's, and run a north island champs on the four circuits (puke hampton taupo minefield) and a si champs on their tracks (sorry guys, dunno 'em but there are 3-4 right?) then the top 15 from each class in each island qualify to face off for the nats over 1 or 2 rounds? That should be fun.
Edit: BTW the stockcar/sprintcar/modified etc etc (all the dirttrack stuff) nats are run over one weekend(each one, not all together), and they are pretty big crowdwise.

[Kickaha]

That makes sense. When did you do karting and in what classes?

From somewhere around 97-98 thrugh to 2001-02 racing both short circuit and long circuit in 125 National and 250 Superkart

The political BS and protests in that sport are mind boggling.

I gave up short circuit racing because of the above and only did long circuit for the last couple of years because there was less of it although the gearbox classes seemed to attract less of it

I kinda like Quasi's idea, but what about combining it with tony's, and run a north island champs on the four circuits (puke hampton taupo minefield) and a si champs on their tracks (sorry guys, dunno 'em but there are 3-4 right?) then the top 15 from each class in each island qualify to face off for the nats over 1 or 2 rounds? That should be fun.
Edit: BTW the stockcar/sprintcar/modified etc etc (all the dirttrack stuff) nats are run over one weekend(each one, not all together), and they are pretty big crowdwise.

There's 3 SI tracks and you might be lucky to have a top 15 from each class as some classes wouldn't put those kind of numbers up for what will really be just club rounds

I can see the advanatge regarding numbers and Tv coverage for a a one off event as it will always be easier to promote but personally I think it'll be a pretty sad day when a one day meeting decides our National championship

Talking about well promoted one day meetings reminds me of the John Britten memorial. it had of what we're looking for but it only ran once

[Quasievil]

I can see the advanatge regarding numbers and Tv coverage for a a one off event as it will always be easier to promote but personally I think it'll be a pretty sad day when a one day meeting decides our National championship

Talking about well promoted one day meetings reminds me of the John Britten memorial. it had of what we're looking for but it only ran once

No Run the event over a long weekend two or three days mate.
And the most successful events are one day ones, example Paeroa, Wanganui (both of which have twenty times more spectators) or the Hamilton 400 etc

Unfortunetly its also a sad day when the Auckland round was almost cancelled due to lack of attendances, it ran and I was there and the crowd ? what crowd? the sad day is here, its time to do it differently

[Kickaha]

No Run the event over a long weekend two or three days mate.
And the most successful events are one day ones, example Paeroa, Wanganui (both of which have twenty times more spectators) or the Hamilton 400 etc

Sorry I should have said one weekend,

Unfortunetly its also a sad day when the Auckland round was almost cancelled due to lack of attendances, it ran and I was there and the crowd ? what crowd? the sad day is here, its time to do it differently

Yet Christchurch didn't have that problem

[scracha]

Ask yourselves this, how come SOT and the Taupo Roadrace Spectacular are more popular than any nationals round?

[Shaun]

Ask yourselves this, how come SOT and the Taupo Roadrace Spectacular are more popular than any nationals round?

I have my theory as to why this is so, but please give us yours

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Unfortunetly its also a sad day when the Auckland round was almost cancelled due to lack of attendances, it ran and I was there and the crowd ? what crowd? the sad day is here, its time to do it differently

agreed. current regime is not working.

[Quasievil]

Yet Christchurch didn't have that problem

Really ? on what basis
where there large crowds and advertising dollars spent, what was the prize money for the riders, did TV do more coverage of CHCH over the other rounds?

not being a smart arse my friend but its a National event that has failed you the riders and us the spectators from the perspectives raised earlier as being issues.

[Rcktfsh]

Sorry I should have said one weekend,



Yet Christchurch didn't have that problem

valid point, auckland round was probably worst for crowds, ruapuna and manfield in particular had reasonable spectator numbers. going on that why would you even think about running a single meeting national champs (which i'm against) in auckland be it hd or pukee?

[Quasievil]

valid point, auckland round was probably worst for crowds, ruapuna and manfield in particular had reasonable spectator numbers. going on that why would you even think about running a single meeting national champs (which i'm against) in auckland be it hd or pukee?

Youre right leave it the same its a winner !!

[Shaun S]

valid point, auckland round was probably worst for crowds, ruapuna and manfield in particular had reasonable spectator numbers. going on that why would you even think about running a single meeting national champs (which i'm against) in auckland be it hd or pukee?

Not as simple as you are making it out to be mate, but I think we all know that.

There are several contributing factors that hurt Puke this year.

We need to look at the big picture and come up with a plan. Talking about it here is just the bouncing of ideas stage; however without execution it is worthless. I am not convinced that this forum has enough substance to take it any further than the bouncing ideas stage, sad but true. Without backing ffrom MNZ etc, we are all just full of wind.