What policy would DEFINITELY get your vote?

[Winston001]

Seriously team, do we really need any more law and order policies???

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD - higher even than Australia which isn't exactly a bastion of tolerance. Tougher prisons, hard labour, none of that works. It simply makes criminals harder and more bitter.

What would work is a set of laws allowing the State to intervene in families - but that is pretty draconian. A friend of mine talks about illiterate 13yr old kids of Mongrel Mob parents who are already in the criminal mould.

Somehow as a society we have to identify problem children at a young age - and either remove them to a safe nurturing family or fix their own family. That requires a whole legion of foster parents, committed teachers, social workers, and trained police officers. Not to mention the removal of civil rights of parents.

It would take years to build up the resources but it could be done.

Ready to go there?

[MSTRS:Me]

Easier to sterilise 'em....

[bogan]

first step, remove all the bludgers right to vote, dole, prisoners, benifitees maybe, leave students on there, and retired people not receiving money from state. Thatll mean all the politicing has to be directed at people who actually contriubute to society.
Then we can start implementing some good policies outline in other posts, as the main group of naysayers wont get a say anymore.

[Genestho]

Winston001, I know the stats on imprisonment, theres a whole nother debate on that one, using common sense.

Ready to go there?

YES! Educate, nurture and protect our kids and we have a better bred generation coming!

Are you watching with interest the appointment of Christine Rankin to the Families Commission?
Any co-relation between Kim Workmans Rethinking Crime and Punishment and soft sentence options, and his arse on the board of the Families Commission? What about the tanty and resignation reaction from Druis Barret

Micheal Laws on this little pearler:
" Already she (Christine Rankin) has claimed her first scalp: Druis Barrett, a Maori policy adviser who objected to Rankin uttering the truth about child abuse. That it is particularly endemic in the Maori community, and that it has more to do with drink and drugs than cultural subjugation.

This was too much for Barrett. She was looking for excuses, and the Families Commission was a nice, safe enclave from which to deny any cultural responsibility.

That said, the pinko connection will still be in the ascendancy. How could it not be with Labour appointees such as Gregory Fortuin and liberals like Kim Workman still around the Families Commission board table? They were put in by Labour along with its chairperson Dr Jo Dryden to ensure ongoing political correctness from that quarter.

Of course, the larger question is why we have a Families Commission at all. Like the Office of the Children's Commission, it has in my view achieved absolutely nothing since its inception except to act as a make-work scheme for minor public servants and friends of the government. It has neither saved nor enriched any family bar those in its employ. And it costs $8 million a year just to keep the greedy little bugger fed."

People may love to hate Christine, but heck she doesn't muck around.

[Swoop]

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD -

Correct. It is such a nice environment.
It should be a form of punishment for doing wrong, but that fact is missed in PC-NZ.

People may love to hate Christine, but heck she doesn't muck around.

I love her! More balls than entire gubbinment department and also, possibly, an entire all black thugby team.
Go Christine!!!

[James Deuce]

As much as most of you reactionaries hate it, there are people who simply cannot do for themselves. It's one of the main reasons why we have a "society". It's just a shame that the Western world inheirited its sensibilities from the Roman Empire, rather than the Celts who, it must be said, are rather better at being human.

I don't care what Michael Laws says about Kim Workman. I don't see Michael Laws out there making anyone else's life better. Kim has done it both directly and indirectly. I taught one of his kids drums for a while and both of his adopted boys are lovely kids, and Kim would do anything for them. Mr Workman is humble and Cares and is prepared to try and help the most unrepentant filthy scumbag criminal, with no expectation of reward or success.

He's a better man than me.

[Indiana_Jones]

Become a state of Australia? lol

-Indy

[Dave Lobster]

NZ already has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the OECD

Didn't someone say that 70% of prisoners are maoris?

I'd say we also have the highest rate of maoris in the OECD too.

[Winston001]

Correct. It is such a nice environment.
It should be a form of punishment for doing wrong, but that fact is missed in PC-NZ.

The sad fact is that for some criminals - not all, but some - prison represents stability they have never known in their own lives. Its actually better than being on the outside.

I love her! More balls than entire gubbinment department and also, possibly, an entire all black thugby team.
Go Christine!!!

I think there is another thread on Christine Rankin. I don't hold any views for or against her.

[SPman]

A politician who would put threads like this out into the interdweeb, expose all the rabid reactionaries, round them up and drop them all off on the Auckland Islands, where they could whitter on about "hang em high", "lock em up and throw away the keys" "fuckin useless lazy dope smokin dole bludging lazy pricks", scream about flat tax or no tax (for them), rant about "the fuckin useless maaris, asians, wops, dagos whatever", for the 2 weeks it would take to starve them all to death!

Then, we'd start on the politicians............

[Ixion]

Nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, exchange and communication. Without compensation.

[Robert Taylor]

Stop paying lazy people to not work. And stop importing them.

EXACTLY. Also:

1) Reinstate an Air Strike Force, order Raptors for the job.

2) Make available in prisons do it yourself suicide kits

3) Outlaw the Labour, Green and all other left wing parties.

4) Compulsory military training for ALL school leavers

5) Boy racers also to attend boot camps to firmly knock the cockiness out of them.

6) Property owners over 40 years of age with a proven track record in business only eligible for the vote.

7) Introduce poll tax, a more fair and equitable system for councils

8) Bring back import licensiong and ban the importation of all low quality products.

9) Burn Helen Clark at the stake in a publicly televised ceremony for all the damage she ( it? ) has done.

Am I joking or am I serious?

[James Deuce]

No 7. Only if you remove the current rates system first.

NZ is really good at piling tax after tax after tax on a numerically declining demographic.

The rest of it is pretty good, except you left out sterilising patched gang members.

[Winston001]

Nationalisation of the means of production, distribution, exchange and communication. Without compensation.

Oh well yeah, that's all a given, no argument there me ol' fellow traveller. Thats the easy stuff. The really tough decision is who gets to be Dear Leader.....

[SPman]

Oh well yeah, that's all a given, no argument there me ol' fellow traveller. Thats the easy stuff. The really tough decision is who gets to be Dear Leader.....

The one with the biggest ice pick?