Work for the dole Yes/no?

[FROSTY:Me]

Actually thinking about this last night. Who exactly are the morons in this situation? The guys that see a pay packet every week for doing nothing or us as a society for allowing them to become third and fourth generation of unemployed?
We all know its a bullshit smokescreen the gubbinment pulled yet we let it happen.

[scumdog]

As I've said in the past: In a lot of states of the US if you are out of work you get a place to stay ( but not in all states) and food vouchers - non redeemable for booze - and you also have your drivers licence plucked until you DO get a job

I could hear the screams if they tried that here though...bloody softy governments that we have would never do that.

[FROSTY:Me]

scummy -I've argued that this is EXACTLY how the dole needs to work here. Plain n simple voucher system.
Rent/morgage and power paid and the balance in food vouchers.
Arguably though the whole system needs to restructure so that for a certain period theres actual money in accounts.
This gives the actually motivated the ability to get to job interviews.

Then again the cynic in me goes yea right. Rent n power paid and lets create a nice little blackmarket in food vouchers.

[sunhuntin]

i spotted the perfect dole job today.

one of my daily haunts has a shallow stream [more of a polluted creek] within the property. the owner does sweet fuck all as far as keeping it cleared of weeds [to the point it flooded the business a few years ago] surely they could stick a bludger or two in the creek to both keep the weeds down and also clear the piles of rubbish thats left in it?

im sure there are many such waterways around the country that could use similar treatment.

[davereid]

Plain n simple voucher system.
Rent/morgage and power paid and the balance in food vouchers.
Arguably though the whole system needs to restructure so that for a certain period theres actual money in accounts.
This gives the actually motivated the ability to get to job interviews.
Then again the cynic in me goes yea right. Rent n power paid and lets create a nice little blackmarket in food vouchers.

Easy.

WINZ EFTPOS card. (Bludgercard?)

WINZ approved list of what, and how much it will buy, electronically controlled.

Your first few weeks, you can get the lot out in cash. But the longer you are on the system, the cash component drops over time, although your benefit does not.

Limited tradeables likes smokes and beer available each week on Bludgercard.

But a more generous ability to purchase veges and baby food.

Bludgercard wont buy petrol or diesel, and it can't be used for car rego, repairs or WOF. But its good for free or cheap public transport.

Bludgercard cant be used at the pub, or video store, thats what your cash allowance is for but you can use it at the library.

Rent and power paid from your card automatically. Deducted weekly before you get your top-up.

[gatch]

Of course it depends on the circumstances in which the individual is recieving welfare, but I don't think in a majority of cases that it would be unfair to introduce compulsory education or part time work for the state..

My sister is studying part time at massey, in between work part time and being a single mum. Then there is dick heads like some I know back in Levin, going to the doctor to get prescriptions for pain killers and certificates not to work that they don't need. Fcuk wits.

[ManDownUnder]

Yes - and it needs to be the work no-one else wants.

Give 'em all training on how to use herbicides, a backpack sprayer and point them at the gorse covered hillsides.

Follow that with spraying off the wild pine tress wherever the fuck they are, closely followed by rabbit baiting in the South Island, followed by... etc

They want money from the NZ economy, they need to contribute right back into it.

EOS.

[James Deuce]

No one kills gorse anymore MDU, it's the perfect plant to regenerate forest. The Rimutakas used to be covered in gorse and broom. They stopped killing it and the native bush came back. It has a simple root structure, a big space between the ground and the botom of the foliage, perfect for seedlings to grow in, and the thorns stops introduced pests like deer from getting to them at their most vulnerable. Best of all there's enough space for the seedlings to grow between the branches and without sunlight, the gorse just dies.

I'd prefer to train them how to use a broom and have them sweep the road for a week after road "repairs" have been carried out.

[FROSTY:Me]

No one kills gorse anymore MDU, it's the perfect plant to regenerate forest. The Rimutakas used to be covered in gorse and broom. They stopped killing it and the native bush came back. It has a simple root structure, a big space between the ground and the botom of the foliage, perfect for seedlings to grow in, and the thorns stops introduced pests like deer from getting to them at their most vulnerable. Best of all there's enough space for the seedlings to grow between the branches and without sunlight, the gorse just dies.

Aintcha just a font of information ol bean.
Wonder how well that theory works in introduced trees

[Naki Rat]

Aintcha just a font of information ol bean.
Wonder how well that theory works in introduced trees

Just fine. Gorse is a perfect nursery crop as JD said. Go look at established pine plantations where the trees have shaded out the earlier sea of gorse. Problem is it regrows when the pines are harvested.

Also gorse is a legume so raises nitrogen levels in the soil by way of its roots fixing atmospheric nitrogen.

[FROSTY:Me]

OHH BUGGER. Im praying my dad doesn't read this. Our Mangawhai track could be orrible if he does

[Slyer]

Easy.

WINZ EFTPOS card. (Bludgercard?)

WINZ approved list of what, and how much it will buy, electronically controlled.

Your first few weeks, you can get the lot out in cash. But the longer you are on the system, the cash component drops over time, although your benefit does not.

Limited tradeables likes smokes and beer available each week on Bludgercard.

But a more generous ability to purchase veges and baby food.

Bludgercard wont buy petrol or diesel, and it can't be used for car rego, repairs or WOF. But its good for free or cheap public transport.

Bludgercard cant be used at the pub, or video store, thats what your cash allowance is for but you can use it at the library.

Rent and power paid from your card automatically. Deducted weekly before you get your top-up.

Perfect! I like.

[Winston001]

Can anyone point to a country where work-for-the-dole is successful? We do not have this problem on our own. It must be possible to find some solution.

The underlying principle of social welfare is to provide a safety net for people in need. It is supposed to be temporary help and only wealthy nations can afford it. As Lucy says, have a look at India - indeed any third world country. You either work, beg, or starve. Simple but harsh and I don't suggest we do that.

Work for dole schemes require work which isn't already being done. Also supervisors. Transport to the job. Food, tea/coffee, toilets. Tools. Protective boots and clothing. There's a whole organisation required and its not as simple as we'd like to think.

[imdying]

As Lissa has pointed out, it will create a whole bunch of grumblement expense to run. Depts, policy wonks, consultants, parliamentary secretaries, and so on, and so on. All tax payer funded.

Agreed, the losers that the OP is targeting (my assumption) are professional losers, can you imagine the logistical nightmare surrounding organising that mob?

[FROSTY:Me]

Winstone Im sorry ol son it actually is that easy. You se the infastructure is already in place in that The periodic detention (PD) system is established nation wide. PD crews only work on a saturday with a very small contingent working on one weekday.
So the equipment is there. Staffing is in place for that day so the recruiting system for PD staff could be expanded to a 6 day a wekk job