Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[Drew]

Paul Pavletich is not MNZ, he is in an administrative position that is only a part of MNZ!!!!! Not everyone within the MNZ umbrella shares his views of depriving people of choice.

I thought he'd stepped down, effective the recent AGM.

I'm confused

[codgyoleracer]

Yeah , went along to the road race workshop / AGM, there was strong support for moving toward production based spec machines it seems about a 70/30 show of hands.
Glen

[GSVR]

Paul Pavletich is not MNZ, he is in an administrative position that is only a part of MNZ!!!!! Not everyone within the MNZ umbrella shares his views of depriving people of choice.

He's in a position where you can't please everyone! Just like in F1 where theres a dispute at the moment over how much top teams spend.

I think what PP is promoting is pretty much inline with what every other motorsport organisation is doing worldwide. He's acting in the best interests of the sport. Of course there will be opposition but the motivation for this opposition is questionable.

As for depriving people of choice it probably opens up more choices than it deprives! So you missed the word "some" before peoples.

[Robert Taylor]

Yeah , went along to the road race workshop / AGM, there was strong support for moving toward production based spec machines it seems about a 70/30 show of hands.
Glen

I was going to attend but was unable to do so due to family illness. It sounds as if there was a lack of detailed information in some areas and I find it a STUNNING HYPOCRISY that one person invited ( installed? ) to attend and push the stock agenda spent most of his career overseas on works level suspension. And his only memories of RACING on stock suspension are at a time when the machines didnt challenge their suspension anywhere near as much.
There is room to fine tune the rules for lower costs, certainly. But recessions dont last forever and its going to be easy to over-react.
And while everyone is entitled to a voice the decisions need to be predominantly made by people with the most experience and accumulated knowledge. And not hijacked by those with rather less experience.

If there are people that want to race on stock / modified stock suspension let them do so! But dont deprive others of reasonable choices.
If it goes this way its almost a certainty that at least one of the major distributors will pull out and do their own thing, then the Nationals truly will be a club series and rather ''hollow''.

[Shaun]

I thought he'd stepped down, effective the recent AGM.


I'm confused

No, just on drugs again Trevor heaphy ran away

[Billy]

I thought he'd stepped down, effective the recent AGM.


I'm confused

Nope,You probably mean Paul Stewart(roadrace comissioner)

[Deano]

I haven't followed the whole thread, but couldn't an option be to run an SBK class (as the rules stand now), in addition to Superstock 1000cc class on the track at the same time ? Like F3 and Pro Twins ?

Best of both worlds ?

[Tony.OK]

I haven't followed the whole thread, but couldn't an option be to run an SBK class (as the rules stand now), in addition to Superstock 1000cc class on the track at the same time ? Like F3 and Pro Twins ?

Best of both worlds ?

Thats the plan for this year mate...........and then for next year the SBK rules will change but still be a higher class than S/stock, but all running together.

[Deano]

Thats the plan for this year mate...........and then for next year the SBK rules will change but still be a higher class than S/stock, but all running together.

Sorry I should have read more - while I'm on a roll, another dumb question then.

Why change the rules for SBK next year if there is going to be a Superstock Class ?

Will the bikes with cams need to be detuned ?

[Tony.OK]

Sorry I should have read more - while I'm on a roll, another dumb question then.

Why change the rules for SBK next year if there is going to be a Superstock Class ?

Will the bikes with cams need to be detuned ?

Theres still a SBk and Stock class next year at the moment, still enough rules to allow a faster bike to be made mate.
It was going to be changed this year, but alot of people have just brought SBK spec'd machines and it would've been a bit unfair to say they're not eligable so they are fazing them out over this/next year.

Yeah detune is bang on bro.................have a look on mnz for the proposed changes.......you'll see them there somewhere.

[Robert Taylor]

Theres still a SBk and Stock class next year at the moment, still enough rules to allow a faster bike to be made mate.
It was going to be changed this year, but alot of people have just brought SBK spec'd machines and it would've been a bit unfair to say they're not eligable so they are fazing them out over this/next year.

Yeah detune is bang on bro.................have a look on mnz for the proposed changes.......you'll see them there somewhere.

Phasing them out is not set in concrete!

[codgyoleracer]

The privateer class idea is still pretty sound, where machines are actually pretty much a similar spec , but the riders run different colour boards & collect privateer points & supersport/sbk points. Sort of like a privateers cup (a race within a race)
Glen

[roogazza]

Maybe it's not such a bad idea changing rules at this time.
There's only a couple (well 5 at most) in a bunch of 9 that have bought bikes.
The top 4 are dealer backed, are they not ? In the long run superstock makes sense. Gaz.

[CHOPPA]

Maybe it's not such a bad idea changing rules at this time.
There's only a couple (well 5 at most) in a bunch of 9 that have bought bikes.
The top 4 are dealer backed, are they not ? In the long run superstock makes sense. Gaz.

Id have to agree! To set a bike up to those specs would be no more then 30k for new bits and far cheaper for s/h, I actually set a bike up to that spec in oz for only 10k and its quite competitive for the class.

[Shaun]

Maybe it's not such a bad idea changing rules at this time.
There's only a couple (well 5 at most) in a bunch of 9 that have bought bikes.
The top 4 are dealer backed, are they not ? In the long run superstock makes sense. Gaz.

Changing the rules at this stage for the NEXT champs is NOT possible nor positive BUT, including the new class rules is a good idea I feel, but I am starting to think that the TRY (3 round) series, is about to take over as the main best race series in NZ?

F1 and F2 fules of the old days, woo hoo, get ya bikes and grinders and drills out crew WE are KIWI's Who CAN do it!