Should the bucket capacity go up to 250cc?

**DELLORTO** · 4th June 2009, 20:38

Originally Posted by Kendog

It's his birthday, on his birthday he can say what he likes. Especially in a thread called
should buckets have a capacity of 250cc??

Where you then say
i dont mean to run with buckets......

i never said "i dont mean to run with buckets" i said it would be cool to have 85cc motards anyway i didnt realise that you guys feel so strongly about this sort of thing s olets just.I apologise for making this thread.

**Skunk** · 4th June 2009, 20:39

Originally Posted by Kickaha

Yeah Skunk you're nothing but a trouble maker

Yeah, I've never been told that before... cheers!

Originally Posted by DELLORTO

hae all im trying to do is make a conversation and listen to peoples ideas......

and then people like you come along and blow your head-gasket.....you just make this realy frustrating.....please dont comment on my threads in the future
-max

Don't come up with silly ones then. Simple.
Hey I've got an idea. Should Superbikes be limited to one wheel?

**Trudes** · 4th June 2009, 20:51

PML this thread just keeps getting betterer and betterer!!!

**Str8 Jacket** · 4th June 2009, 20:59

Originally Posted by Trudes

PML this thread just keeps getting betterer and betterer!!!

Ya ha!! Men with PMS! Did someone say B A N A N A ' S ?

**Skunk** · 4th June 2009, 21:09

Keep ya PMS to yourself...

**Kendog** · 4th June 2009, 21:16

Originally Posted by DELLORTO

i never said "i dont mean to run with buckets" i said it would be cool to have 85cc motards

I won't point out the obvious about what you said and did not say.

Originally Posted by DELLORTO

I apologise for making this thread.

I will point out that is your most sensible post in this thread.

**Kickaha** · 4th June 2009, 21:35

Originally Posted by dangerous

PS: its such a crock a shit eg: I get beat by XR250 engines in Posties on my 350 stroker.

Yeah but that's because you're slow

**Jantar** · 4th June 2009, 22:15

Originally Posted by Yow Ling

Jantar, your idea is almost as silly as Dellorto's

Please explain why. A 1000cc engine with a 24 mm carb wont produce any more power than a 125cc engine with a 24 mm carb. The power output of any engine is simply a fuction of how hard it can breathe multiplied by the pressure increase through heating the air that it is pumping through. limiting the intake and exhaust sizes puts a limit on the HP that can be produced, so why worry if someone wants to use a huge capacity to do that?

**Skunk** · 4th June 2009, 22:19

Kart tracks. Physical mass. Human ingenuity. Three reasons it's a bad idea. Mostly Buckets run on kart tracks. Much tighter than a race track so a small light bike has an advantage. Some 'wanker' will have a bight idea and stuff a 1000cc engine into an H100 and gain a 'unfair' advantage. It would either develop or kill the class. It's doing fine as it is.
I think a 1000cc with a 24mm carb will produce more than 15hp. Only one cylinder at a time will be breathing. Most 125's are single cylinder. So straight away you have a 250cc high torque engine breathing with a 24mm carb.

**fi5hy** · 4th June 2009, 22:20

Originally Posted by Skunk

If anything the cc limit should be LOWERED. That's not going to happen so let's leave it alone. It's not broken.
This is meant to be (relatively) low cost, low speed, kart track racing. I hope that MotoFXR gets big enough to stand on it's own (with other 150cc 4 strokes such as Loncin included) and we can drop the F4 limit back to 145cc.

Worst thing to happen to Buckets was the introduction of these big smelly diesels...

Ha mate the Loncin is only a 144cc

**Kendog** · 4th June 2009, 22:26

Originally Posted by fi5hy

Ha mate the Loncin is only a 144cc

Loncin FTW!

**Jantar** · 4th June 2009, 22:30

Originally Posted by Skunk

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I think a 1000cc with a 24mm carb will produce more than 15hp. Only one cylinder at a time will be breathing. Most 125's are single cylinder. So straight away you have a 250cc high torque engine breathing with a 24mm carb.

The same reasoning can be applied to 125 cc two stroke twins. With a properly designed intake manifold only one cylinder is breathing at a time so almost double the power could be produced. this is the same priciple that Burt Munroe applied to his Indian; a single carb supplying both cylinders.

**Skunk** · 4th June 2009, 22:46

Except the 125's are two stroke and the dynamics of the carb are more important and also (as a two stroke) everything happens twice as often.

Your Burt Munroe example is a good reason why NOT to allow it.