Removing wing mirrors...

[Katman]

Got to agree with Katman.....As good as it may feel at the time its just not worth it...You dont know what kind of person is in the car ...might be a complete lunatic who wouldnt stop at running over you.....he might just catch you....maybe on a different day..he will remember you and your bike.
Thats besides the legal ramifications:

It's not so much the running over of the person who kicked in the door that bothers me but more the fact that once that motorcyclist disappears through the traffic into the distance, the next (innocent) motorcyclist to come along gets to deal with that same fucked off car driver.

[caseye]

what, so we, do nothing at all and let the driver away scott free to do it to another biker?At the very least some attempt at dialogue or emphatic point making must be tried.
To do nothing is tantamount to giving in and simply acknowlediging their size means they get away with it.

[Katman]

At the very least some attempt at dialogue or emphatic point making must be tried.

I agree entirely.

The trick is to acheive education without inciting agitation.

[wbks]

I agree entirely.

The trick is to acheive education without inciting agitation.

I couldn't imagine many people would care to be "educated". If not because they are too arrogant, because they get embarrassed and on the back foot because they know they've been caught in the wrong.

[Katman]

I couldn't imagine many people would care to be "educated". If not because they are too arrogant, because they get embarrassed and on the back foot because they know they've been caught in the wrong.

Given the right technique people can be educated without even realising they're being educated.

[Dave Lobster]

Those that think car drivers will remember your bike and you are deluding themselves. WE may recognise one bike from another, but car drivers don't even know the difference between a big scooter and a bike. All helmets look the same.. all bikes are exactly the same.

As for kicking mirrors off.. I haven't kicked any off in this country. Once (accidently) whacked a yellow person's mirror when she swerved into my lane while tapping an important text message. She woke up pretty quickly..

Kicked/punched fucking heaps of them off in the UK. Only had one bloke with balls big enough to get out of his car.. and he soon got back in when I put the stand down and got off the bike.
If someone tries to kill me with their car, the least I can do for them is whack them in the face with a carbon glove. Seems like a fair exchange to me. It's not as if using your fucking eyes before changing lane wears the batteries down.

[Owl]

Given the right technique people can be educated without even realising they're being educated.

I hope you use a better technique than the one you use on here Katman?

[wbks]

Like? Just thinking about it from the person who pulls out in front of you/whatever, it would probably piss you off to get someone who is likely more than a little angry knocking on your window invading your space and you would probably tell them to fuck off? I mean, not that I would do that if one day I ever did pull out in front of someone or something, but I could see how that would happen

[Katman]

Those that think car drivers will remember your bike and you are deluding themselves. WE may recognise one bike from another, but car drivers don't even know the difference between a big scooter and a bike. All helmets look the same.. all bikes are exactly the same.

That is it in a nutshell.

We all get thrown into the same basket as "the fucker that smacked my wing mirror off".

[Dave Lobster]

That is it in a nutshell.

We all get thrown into the same basket as "the fucker that smacked my wing mirror off".

But then, all the asian people that pull across in front of me look the same too.

And every single one looks directly forward, NEVER at me, when I knock on their window to remostrate with them. If they don't look at you, how are they going to recognise you?

[Katman]

But then, all the asian people that pull across in front of me look the same too.

That's right.

And how many times do you hear people saying "fucking asian drivers"?

[wbks]

That's right.

And how many times do you hear people saying "fucking asian drivers"?

hahahahah thats a fucking good point

[steve_t]

That's right.

And how many times do you hear people saying "fucking asian drivers"?

But how many people go around ramming asian drivers' cars because they got cut off?
I'm not advocating kicking cars that cut us off... just that I'd like to

[Katman]

But how many people go around ramming asian drivers' cars because they got cut off?
I'm not advocating kicking cars that cut us off... just that I'd like to

Fuck's sake. This is like pulling teeth.

Car drivers generally don't willingly play "take that fucker" with other car drivers.

At the end of the day, who do you really think is going to win?

Car drivers or motorcyclists?

[madbikeboy]

Hey KM,

Understand where you're coming from. There have been a couple of occasions, where after a very near miss and the wrong sort of reaction from a driver, where I have sinned. I these very few occasions, the problem wasn't the driver, the problem was the bad angel inside my lid. At the time, they seem reasonable and deserved, but it's a poor practice.

I have on occasion stopped to have a quick chat with a cager. One time was with an old lady, she was out of her depth - a couple of times with middle aged execs, both of who ended up regretting the decision to be mouthy with me, and a couple of times where I've actually pulled keys out ignitions, once with someone who was clearly drunk, the other with someone who seemed drunk or stoned, but super aggressive none the less.

That's in a lot of years riding.

However, it's with buses that I tend to be less than rational - I've been almost killed (and I am the king of understatement, those who know me will attest to this), such blatant disregard and outward aggression has created a very big problem for those drivers..

We ride, therefore shit is going to happen. If I ride with care and space, then less shit happens.