Will the Bain story make a great movie plot

**MisterD** · 7th June 2009, 08:43

Originally Posted by naphazoline

As i understand it,they're saying he might not get any compensation? WTF!

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime?

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

**Big Dan** · 7th June 2009, 09:54

Originally Posted by MisterD

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime?

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

He has been found not guilty in the court of law and acquitted therefore he has no criminal record cause the privy council squashed his earlier convictions so as to your criminals profiting from a crime doesn't stack up in this case

**nodrog:Me** · 7th June 2009, 10:11

im still waiting for the breaking news story where they find joe karam dead, and a note from bain saying "LOL, you fuckers brought it, chic chic BOOM"

**Skyryder** · 7th June 2009, 10:25

Originally Posted by MisterD

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime?

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

Big Dan's post covers some of it.

What is not generaly know is that Karam has the the rights to Bains story. Before any one gets off on this it should be remembered that David Bain started out with nothing while Karam lost his entire fortune in 'batting' for Bain. There was more going on here than the verdict.

Skyryder

**oldrider** · 7th June 2009, 10:28

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

There are still five murders unaccounted for!

Millions of dollars already spent and millions probably yet to spend.

The police are literally no closer to solving the crimes than the day they were committed and their chief suspect has been declared "not guilty"!

Tomorrow is the first day of the Bain murder enquiry!

Who killed the Kahui twins?

Will "Scott Watson" be writing to Joe Karam next week?

Labour has left the government coffers empty, the world is in recession, Auckland is a disfunctional as a City!

Will New Zealanders wake up, or will they just turn their backs on reality, as they usually do!

They say that there is power in prayer, maybe we will have to try that, nothing else seems to work here.

**The Stranger:Me** · 7th June 2009, 15:36

Originally Posted by oldrider

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

There are still five murders unaccounted for!

Millions of dollars already spent and millions probably yet to spend.

The police are literally no closer to solving the crimes than the day they were committed and their chief suspect has been declared "not guilty"!

Tomorrow is the first day of the Bain murder enquiry!

Surely you jest.
Unless some new evidence comes to light they will simply let it lie?
As far as the cops are aware they have their man. They simply couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Lets face it, he hasn't been found innocent has he?

**hospitalfood** · 7th June 2009, 15:48

i think the definition of "not guilty" is innocent.
if he is not guilty, he did not do it. so surely that means he is innocent of doing it.
you get my meaning???

**The Stranger:Me** · 7th June 2009, 16:05

Originally Posted by hospitalfood

i think the definition of "not guilty" is innocent.
if he is not guilty, he did not do it. so surely that means he is innocent of doing it.
you get my meaning???

I get your meaning - and in the eyes of the law I accept you may very well be correct, but the test is beyond reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt need only exist then for the crown case to come crashing down - he need not be innocent for reasonable doubt to exist.
He starts off presumed innocent. Not guaranteed innocent.

He may indeed still be guilty - just the crown was unable to prove him so.
Under such a circumstance how much effort and money would you like to see the Police put into a new investigation?

**Creeping Death** · 7th June 2009, 16:17

Originally Posted by Headbanger

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

Outstanding!I sniff Academy Awards here...may even out do that Peter Jackson fella...hell,he could even direct it and out do himself!

**oldrider** · 7th June 2009, 16:49

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Surely you jest.
Unless some new evidence comes to light they will simply let it lie?
As far as the cops are aware they have their man. They simply couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Lets face it, he hasn't been found innocent has he?

No I do not jest but think about it, years of conflicting evidence and still no clear outcome "apparent" at the conclusion of the last trial!

The jury goes out until "Friday" some of the jurors blatantly biased toward Bain's innocence will never change their stance, "Hung Jury"?

Lets get out of here and home for the weekend, "NOT GUILTY", home free! (probably had a gutsfull by this time)

Some Jury members celebrate openly with Bain.

(not ilegal but wise? The rest go home)

Justice Christchurch style, what a crock!

Blain may be free but there is no way he can claim "innocence"!

I have no axe to grind other than the fact that Five murders remain unsolved and accounted for and to me the Jury system in NZ is in tatters.

**The Stranger:Me** · 7th June 2009, 16:57

Originally Posted by oldrider

No I do not jest but think about it, years of conflicting evidence and still no clear outcome "apparent" at the conclusion of the last trial!

The jury goes out until "Friday" some of the jurors blatantly biased toward Bain's innocence will never change their stance, "Hung Jury"?

Lets get out of here and home for the weekend, "NOT GUILTY", home free! (probably had a gutsfull by this time)

Some Jury members celebrate openly with Bain.

(not ilegal but wise? The rest go home)

Justice Christchurch style, what a crock!

Blain may be free but there is no way he can claim "innocence"!

I have no axe to grind other than the fact that Five murders remain unsolved and accounted for and to me the Jury system in NZ is in tatters.

Seriously, you would like the Police to continue with the investigation?
To what end? If the Police honestly believe David Bain did it, surely it would be pointless. If Robin Bain did it what would be gained?
As I understand it David Bain can't be tried again, so even if new evidence comes to light stiff shit.

Lets face it, with a test of beyond reasonable doubt, it stands to reason that there will be cases where it is impossible to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This is perhaps one such case. If so we need to accept that and get on with life.

**The Duck 01** · 7th June 2009, 17:23

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Seriously, you would like the Police to continue with the investigation?
To what end? If the Police honestly believe David Bain did it, surely it would be pointless. If Robin Bain did it what would be gained?
As I understand it David Bain can't be tried again, so even if new evidence comes to light stiff shit.

Lets face it, with a test of beyond reasonable doubt, it stands to reason that there will be cases where it is impossible to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This is perhaps one such case. If so we need to accept that and get on with life.

There might be someone lurking out there.

A wild card.

Extended family???
Who gave the police the say so to burn the house down??

More questions than answers. Still.

My dad always said. If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well.
The police might need to think about that.

**Maha** · 7th June 2009, 17:29

Should at least get a cameo slot....

**The Stranger:Me** · 7th June 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by The Duck 01

My dad always said. If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well.
The police might need to think about that.

Look, I agree with your dad, 100%.
But hey, if the evidence is just NOT there it can't be found. It's that simple.
It may very well be that they ONLY ones who can say for sure are all dead. What the hell can the police do? Would you have them plant evidence in order to get a conviction?