Hypothetical situation

[MarkH]

mark H As I alluded to in a previous post its all about time and place.
Theres a big difference between a wheelstand down the back straight of Taupo track and say a busy road whilstovertaking traffic.

Yeah sure, but no one was hurt by it and lifting the front wheel in a straight line isn't necessarily a huge danger, even when passing traffic. If I saw it and not the cop then I would have been impressed (especially by the maybe 100m one). Rider C lifting the front wheel briefly a few times doesn't sound like much of a big deal at all - it just means his bike has good torque. It's just a bit of a bugger that this was spotted by the poh-leese.

[White trash]

Yeah sure, but no one was hurt by it and lifting the front wheel in a straight line isn't necessarily a huge danger, even when passing traffic. If I saw it and not the cop then I would have been impressed (especially by the maybe 100m one). Rider C lifting the front wheel briefly a few times doesn't sound like much of a big deal at all - it just means his bike has good torque. It's just a bit of a bugger that this was spotted by the poh-leese.

Rubbish. It means he's pathetic at doing wheelies but likes people stuck in traffic jams to think he's the man.

[Patch]

Tell ya what, I'd feel a little worried knowing that two innocent parties are facing some pretty serious charges on account of my gutlessnes, and that if they were convictd, they'd probably be after my arse.

not to mention the cost of defending the charges i.e. lawyer expenses
time off work
stress and anxiety of it all etc etc

I look forward to the day Mr. Murphy and Miss Karma decide to do something about it

It means he's pathetic at doing wheelies

the lame cunt would be lucky if he could wheelie himself out of a hospital ward

Yeah sure, but no one was hurt by it

obviously you lack the basic ability to fuckin read

[The Stranger:Me]

TBH I am not too sure that there is anything dangerous about the riding described - why do the police thing that wheelstand = dangerous? I have seen bikes pulling wheelstands and they didn't crash or anything. What exactly was so dangerous?

PD

Still more PD

There is an old adage "it's better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Something to think about.

[MarkH]

obviously you lack the basic ability to fuckin read

Unless I was referring to physical harm? If the poh-leese hadn't caught it then everyone would have gone home happy.

In my younger days I have done stuff way more dangerous (and stupid) than lifting the front wheel off the deck. I am sure that in hindsight those guilty of pulling the wheelstands and attracting police attention are thinking that they shouldn't have done it, but who here hasn't done stuff they shouldn't have?

So where to from now? Does anyone know the risk of prosecution if the wheelie culprits take the stand in court and state on the record that it was they that did what the defendant is accused of? I wouldn't like to see the innocent found guilty if there is something that can be done to save their licenses!

There is an old adage "it's better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Something to think about.

Nah, on the forum I really don't care that much - a certain amount of what I have posted was before Death_inc revealed important facts. If a few people think I am a fool than so what? The good thing about finding out the details here is that it is yet another opportunity to learn from the experiences of others (rather than from my own misfortunes).

[Winston001]

Yeah sure, but no one was hurt by it and lifting the front wheel in a straight line isn't necessarily a huge danger, even when passing traffic.

You should check out youtube - plenty of vids of guys losing it doing wheelies and stoppies. And hitting others.

Mark - it looks dangerous, is dangerous when other traffic is around, and non-motorcyclists don't get it. I do not know how you could ever convince a member of the public or a judge that a wheelie isn't dangerous.

As for your other questions regarding B and C giving evidence, go back up the thread for answers.

[Max Preload]

You should check out youtube - plenty of vids of guys losing it doing wheelies and stoppies. And hitting others.

There are lots of them not coming to grief too. Face it, I can't think of anybody that would waste bandwidth downloading a video of someone pootling along at legal speeds obeying all the rules. (except maybe katman...)

Mark - it looks dangerous, is dangerous when other traffic is around, and non-motorcyclists don't get it. I do not know how you could ever convince a member of the public or a judge that a wheelie isn't dangerous.

It's largely perception like say flying is dangerous, yet statistically it's much more dangerous driving to the airport. I say if it didn't result in any adverse effects, it's not dangerous - it's potentially dangerous as is any activity in a motorvehicle - it's just a case of where you draw your line in the sand. Luckily for the Police there is no well defined line.

As for your other questions regarding B and C giving evidence, go back up the thread for answers.

I agree - they should be witnesses for the defence if the privilege of their testimony remains.

[Headbanger]

It's largely perception like say flying is dangerous,

Uh, Thats a shithouse analogy to make. Of course removing the steering mechanism and 90 perfect of the braking ability from the road is a dangerous manoeuvre, And that's without adding in the massively increased probability of going over backwards, or the fact they were directly in the line of any oncoming vechiles.

Now I can't say I care less if people want to take risks in the name of fun but lets call a spade a spade aye?

[Max Preload]

Uh, Thats a shithouse analogy to make. Of course removing the steering mechanism and 90 perfect of the braking ability from the road is a dangerous manoeuvre, And that's without adding in the massively increased probability of going over backwards, or the fact they were directly in the line of any oncoming vechiles.

If it was so dangerous, why didn't all those things happen? People do things that are far more dangerous like actually get crashed into because they're not giving way and they get a $150 fine, maybe a careless. The outcome for this where not harm is done is likely to be far more severe. We shouldn't be penalising people who don't cause any measurable negative effects from their actions more heavily than those who do.

Now I can't say I care less if people want to take risks in the name of fun but lets call a spade a spade aye?

RACIST!.

[Headbanger]

If it was so dangerous, why didn't all those things happen?

Your logic sucks.

By your reasoning if it didn't end badly then it isn't dangerous, Surely if you think that through you can see just how stupid it is?

hell, Russian roulette can't have been dangerous to the survivors....

[The Stranger:Me]

It's largely perception like say flying is dangerous, yet statistically it's much more dangerous driving to the airport. I say if it didn't result in any adverse effects, it's not dangerous

Now there is the problem. What you say doesn't really come into it in a court room does it?

Which country do you live in? Because here in NZ there does not have to be any "adverse effects" for the cops to get a dangerous conviction.

[Max Preload]

Your logic sucks.

By your reasoning if it didn't end badly then it isn't dangerous, Surely if you think that through you can see just how stupid it is?

hell, Russian roulette can't have been dangerous to the survivors....

That's strange. I make my living using logic. I better hand back all that moola!

My point is just going out on a bike is dangerous for reasons well beyond your control. Doing a wheelie is something that's down to the individual to decide. Sure, you're going to get munters looping it or whatever but I'm a great believer in personal resposibility and calculated risk and I believe that doing the odd wheelstand on a public road isn't in itself increasing the risk significantly, just like exceeding a arbitrary speed limit.

[Max Preload]

Now there is the problem. What you say doesn't really come into it in a court room does it?

Which country do you live in? Because here in NZ there does not have to be any "adverse effects" for the cops to get a dangerous conviction.

Don't confuse what's right with what's legal. They're often two completely different things.

[Headbanger]

That's strange. I make my living using logic. I better hand back all that moola!

I agree, You should.

Getting away with a dangerous act doesn't remove the danger from it, and keep in mind I'm not condemning anyone for taking that risk, Its their skin not mine, But I will repeat my point, Removing the ability to steer or stop while placing yourself in the opposing lane is increasing the risk on a massive scale and there is no analogy to be made between that behaviour and flying on a plane.....Unless you remove the planes ability to change direction and speed, then aimed it into the flight path of other planes.

[Max Preload]

Removing the ability to steer or stop while placing yourself in the opposing lane is increasing the risk on a massive scale and there is no analogy to be made between that behaviour and flying on a plane...

I disagree. It's purely the perception of being dangerous. My line in the sand is obviously a long way from yours but so what? There are also plenty of people whose own line is a long way from yours but in the opposite direction - they'd totally ban motorcycles given half a chance. I mean, who needs them, right? They're statistically dangerous machines and serve no useful function that cannot be performed by a much safer medium. We should do activities no more dangerous than crochet. Are they more correct than you?