Pita Sharples - just gotta love 'im, eh?

[marty]

University degrees don't have a mark (unless you achieved honours). There is no way to tell how much someone "passed". You either have the degree or don't.

So, they do have a mark - you either got a degree, or got one with hons.

So maori boy turns up with a BA Hons, but got in because of his skin colour. White boy got a BA, but got in cause his parents were rich and told him they would cut him out of the will unless he went to university.

You can guess the path one of them took to get there - which one would you choose?

[peasea]

Wow this got to be the most clear poll result ever on KB history.

Finally we all (most) agree on something.

Next we'll all be hugging each other. Ick.

[rachprice]

I think they should not get automatic entry, I think basic numeracy and literacy in the Maori population will decline heavily

+1 I know of some Maori doctors who gained 'alternative entry' to medical school. They weren't smart enough to get into the course on their own grades but got a special exemption to be in the course. It's a nice thought but these doctors can end up being even more incompetent and dangerous to their patients than normal doctors are! If I want to know if a lump is cancer, I'd like to know that my doctor got their degree cos they know what they're talking about, not because they're they've been given special treatment!!

Pita Sharples said only 60-70% of Maori students leave school with level 1 NCEA. He doesn't say how many Maori students finish high school. High school is free in most cases, but that doesn't stop a lot of young Maori leaving school at 15 or 16 years of age. I don't see how making university free is going to encourage any of these kids to stay at school and go on to Uni. It's only going to benefit those who are already intending to go
Rant rant

Its just another way of "double dipping" . If I interpret the treay right it is fairness for all people isnt it??
Legal segregation for sure..lamens terms.RACISM.
Why would anyone want to be accepted at a Uni and then years down the line get sued for mal practice as they didn"t aquire the medical degree through actually learning? They may well kill themselves off by their own stupidity!

As for this, while they may get entry into 2nd year, ALL medical students sit the same 5th year test determining whether they are fit to practice, no matter what race they are. There is no way in hell medical schools are going to be letting people graduate that are a danger to society.

[Mully]

What's that screeching sound?? Oh, it's a Pita Sharples doing a U-turn:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10579309

Maori Affairs and Associate Education Minister Pita Sharples says he wants Maori to have free access to universities but only if they pass a course showing they have reached required standards.

In a speech yesterday Dr Sharples, who is Maori Party co-leader, said Maori should be able to go to university without any qualifications.

This afternoon Dr Sharples clarified that he did not expect unqualified Maori to be immediately accepted into courses.

[HenryDorsetCase]

what is his doctorate in? maaaari studies?

that'd be like me getting a doctorate in whiskey, blow and hookers.....



wait, I think I might have one already. Honorary of course.

[PrincessBandit]

"The problem is they don't achieve at school. Solution fix the schooling". Talk about the song-that-never-ends. When I think of all the screwing around that's been done with the education system over the years I don't think there will ever be a solution which will satisfy everyone. I'm still a firm believer in attitude, attitude and more attitude (of the good positive kind). When I look at the poor attitude of many students - of all races - it's no wonder they struggle academically. Many resent having to even be at school, let alone any form of expectation that teachers might have of them or rules they are supposed to conform to. (Just check out the lax uniform attire, loaded down with jewellery, makeup and hair gel, visible tattoos blah blah blah, to get a glimpse of what I'm talking about). Then there are students from all backgrounds and cultures who do take pride in what they're trying to achieve at school. Which all comes down to personal application. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with an individual's determination to achieve in the big pond of life along with everyone else; no bitching and moaning about "this is unfair, or that's unfair...."

[Mully]

what is his doctorate in? maaaari studies?

Anthropology and Linguistics, I believe

[Pussy]

"The problem is they don't achieve at school. Solution fix the schooling". Talk about the song-that-never-ends. When I think of all the screwing around that's been done with the education system over the years I don't think there will ever be a solution which will satisfy everyone. I'm still a firm believer in attitude, attitude and more attitude (of the good positive kind). When I look at the poor attitude of many students - of all races - it's no wonder they struggle academically. Many resent having to even be at school, let alone any form of expectation that teachers might have of them or rules they are supposed to conform to. (Just check out the lax uniform attire, loaded down with jewellery, makeup and hair gel, visible tattoos blah blah blah, to get a glimpse of what I'm talking about). Then there are students from all backgrounds and cultures who do take pride in what they're trying to achieve at school. Which all comes down to personal application. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with an individual's determination to achieve in the big pond of life along with everyone else; no bitching and moaning about "this is unfair, or that's unfair...."

My sentiments exactly!
Race has bugger all to do with it... victim mentallity has

[mynameis]

It's a lot easier to blame everything around you; the government, the universities, the school system, the budget, white colonial people who came here 300 years ago, the iwi, the society, the media and the whole world but yourself.

Why? Because everyone's against them and stopping them to make progress like the rest of us.

"If given the opportunity" ? Are Maori kids held up with shot guns on their heads when they attend school? Are they forced to fail and not work hard?

There are talks about fixing the school system? Our school standards/education system is good compared to a lot of countries.

Change needs to happen within much smaller units of society like family and not put the blame of their failure on everything around them.

Over to you Roger.

[oldguy]

My mistake. Didn't originally notice you were from South Auckland :slap: [Ducks for cover]

now thats stereotyping , because he/she lives in a certain area. haha all good

[oldguy]

That's a descriptor, not a judgement dude. You are perhaps being sensitive.

never looked at it that way, All good

[PrincessBandit]

Next we'll all be hugging each other. Ick.

Aahhh, feel the lurve! hahaha

open to all colours, races, genders, iq's, type of bike....

[Trudes]

I wonder if I can get myself adopted into a hapu and become Maori so I can get into uni??
http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Nationa...ult.aspx#video

[peasea]

I wonder if I can get myself adopted into a hapu and become Maori so I can get into uni??
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2513...fake-visa-scam

I would suggest you're way too smart for that.
Oops.

[Trudes]

I would suggest you're way too smart for that.
Oops.

Well, true really.... I got into Uni because of my academic merits, not because of my ethnicity.