Hypothetical situation

**Rodney007** · 16th June 2009, 23:49

Originally Posted by The Stranger

You mean the thread?
Same reason I made this thread.
Because I am not so closed minded as to think I am always right.
One thing you can always be sure of on KB, you will get views and opinions you never considered. I like my thinking to be challenged, I value these opinions and in both cases have adjusted my thinking (lets call it learning shall we) as a consequence.

Do you find it uncomfortable debating issues of morality?

i meant its none of our buisness, it just stirs up crap when you all
know each other, and it can be sorted out. its a legal + moral issue which is best sorted in person,

**SARGE** · 17th June 2009, 00:17

ive ben on a few rides with some people i know and a few i dont ..

shit started getting stupid and i took the next right and found my own road

theres only a handfull of people i will ride with now just because of this hypothetical situation

**DEATH_INC.** · 17th June 2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by Rodney007

i meant its none of our buisness, it just stirs up crap when you all
know each other, and it can be sorted out. its a legal + moral issue which is best sorted in person,

Maybe, but maybe it will make the parties on both sides think about what they've done, and others think about what they would do in the same situation.
I for one would not do the same.
BTW, when the only response you get is 'too bad', and 'he got what was coming' I don't think it could be sorted in person, plus I'm not known for my placid temperament....

**Winston001** · 17th June 2009, 18:36

Originally Posted by Rodney007

i meant its none of our buisness, it just stirs up crap when you all
know each other, and it can be sorted out. its a legal + moral issue which is best sorted in person,

I think The Strangers hypothetical question is perfectly valid. It has drawn out quite a variety of attitudes and points of view. Nothing wrong with discussing a situation which can happen easily enough, and maybe some of us will think differently as a result.

**Winston001** · 17th June 2009, 18:49

Been mulling this whole thing over:

Firstly if I was riding with mates, they are friends and we look out for each other. I could never let a friend take the rap for something which was my fault.

Secondly, riding with a group of acquaintances, say Ulysses/KB, well I wouldn't feel the bond of shared culpability quite so strongly. After all, I don't really know these other people and unlike friends, can't predict what they might do. I'd be pretty pissed off to get charged with something another rider did but expecting him/her to come forward........probably too much to ask.

Would I let one of this group face a charge over my actions? I'd have to be very convinced this was true. I'd certainly feel guilty.......which means I'd probably put my hands up. Its a matter of living with yourself.

Thirdly, riding with a loose informal group who have gathered at some point on the road. Can't say I'd feel guilty, we are all ride our own course.

**Patch** · 17th June 2009, 19:14

Originally Posted by Winston001

Its a matter of living with yourself

well, given the fact that one perp is a Maori and the other is an Indian - is there really any need to explain their lack of "hand raising"

**scumdog** · 17th June 2009, 19:17

Originally Posted by Winston001

Been mulling this whole thing over:

Firstly if I was riding with mates, they are friends and we look out for each other. I could never let a friend take the rap for something which was my fault.

Secondly, riding with a group of acquaintances, say Ulysses/KB, well I wouldn't feel the bond of shared culpability quite so strongly. After all, I don't really know these other people and unlike friends, can't predict what they might do. I'd be pretty pissed off to get charged with something another rider did but expecting him/her to come forward........probably too much to ask.

Would I let one of this group face a charge over my actions? I'd have to be very convinced this was true. I'd certainly feel guilty.......which means I'd probably put my hands up. Its a matter of living with yourself.

Thirdly, riding with a loose informal group who have gathered at some point on the road. Can't say I'd feel guilty, we are all ride our own course.

Wouldn't ride with anybody who I thought would let an innocent take the rap....

**Patch** · 17th June 2009, 22:16

As if I take any bloody notice of red rep, so you cunts can shove the red up your fucking arse.

Truth hurts huh.

Come say it to my face Raj - you spineless wanker.

**scumdog** · 17th June 2009, 22:30

Originally Posted by Patch

As if I take any bloody notice of red rep, so you cunts can shove the red up your fucking arse.

Truth hurts huh.

Come say it to my face Raj - you spineless wanker.

I wonder what this all means???

**SixPackBack** · 17th June 2009, 22:33

Originally Posted by scumdog

I wonder what this all means???

Patch is getting upset when folk object to his racism.

**Patch** · 18th June 2009, 20:28

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Patch is getting upset when folk object to his racism.

how the fuck can I be racist? I ain't white fool.

**scumdog** · 18th June 2009, 23:14

Originally Posted by Patch

how the fuck can I be racist? I ain't white fool.

So dude, you is a black fool....???

**Hinny** · 19th June 2009, 21:15

Originally Posted by Winston001

Do any of the other riders 'fess up to save Riders A and F?

Well firstly the police may not believe the confession. Something to consider.

Riders B and C could give evidence in court, supported by D and E for that matter, to say A and F did not perform wheelies. B and C would have to state they were the offenders.

There is a rule of law that statements given in Court are privileged. They cannot be used against you. Frederick Forsyth wrote an excellent short story based on this -"Privilege". Therefore an incriminating statement from the witness box can't be brought up in another hearing.

Warning: its be many years since I looked at the laws of evidence and there may be subtle changes. This requires proper legal advice.

I'm pretty sure charges can't be laid against the others as it has been more than six months since the offences. As Winston said, B & C need to be assured of this by getting proper legal advice. (FWIW - I have had two legal opinions to say that this is the case.)

If it is correct that they will not be charged then the accused have a very solid defence if B & C front up as defence witnesses.
Given that they are reasonable people I think that this is a distinct possibility. The more slander they get however, I would imagine them becoming more and more reticent about doing so.
FFS people show some sense. There is an easy solution that results in no tears for anyone. Win win.

**DUCATI*HARD** · 19th June 2009, 23:35

OO.K....FIRSTLY...i have only met madness a handful of times and death breifly(both seem to be good people) now you could hardly call us friends....as for being responsable people...why should anyone be responsable for unresponsable people...eg; Death had no current wof and no rego which "by law" bike should not have been on the road...and madness does not hold the right class of license to ride his bike on the road...so all in all...hypothetically speaking both riders should not of been on the road in the first place!

**Cr1MiNaL** · 19th June 2009, 23:47

Annd SECONDLY, there are a hundred threads on here of people getting fined and moaning about it later but fewer still of people bitching about it to friends and friends of friends. Grow up people - I don't think I even remember Madness, Death was merely an acquaintance - now you want us to do what? You guys have family issues? Why ride a bike and put yourself to such risk? Why do stupid things when you can't afford to? Begging for sympathy on a public forum haha...

Setting up a poll and a thread based on something someone said and inserting a "hypothetical" between the lines - I mean your not serious! Want the greater public's opinion ? What happened to using your own better judgment and making decisions for youself or better still - minding your own bloody business thats a start. And what is with all this racism... is this what you grew up learning? Most of you are twice my age and sadly I have no respect left for you. We have had a good chuckle reading all this bollocks! My number was freely available for those interested to call me, but no one did. No fucking surprise.