Paekakariki hill 19-6-09

[Patrick]

$150 donation, is my guess.

[Mooch]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Unless it was over double yellow lines then it sounds like they've got nothing better to do .

Mind you , if they did the same to 4 wheel drive owners they'd make a fortune on this road.

[Ocean1]

It aint a race track.... so I believed..... (P/T)

Correct. And yes, I also tend not to go hunting for bendy bits and then try to straighten them out.

There's a couple of corners up there that I routinely do clip though, had a few too many wee slithers on the greasy stuff.

I'd argue it's a valid defense, in practical safety terms if not legal ones.

[Laxi]

this does actually remind me of aussie, I lived in NQ for a while and they had a road that had cameras all along it, was AU$120 for per wheel over the centre line, could get damned expensive

[Sketchy Snr]

Well, To clear a few things up, the bike in question is a Harley ( dont go round corners), I ride Peakakariki not as a race track, but for a fun bit of twisty road and when straighting out a corner do with good vision ahead and find it hard to believe there is not a rider out there that has not done this in a safe manner, so i question those who say suck it up and pay. For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.

[roadracingoldfart]

Well, To clear a few things up, the bike in question is a Harley ( dont go round corners), I ride Peakakariki not as a race track, but for a fun bit of twisty road and when straighting out a corner do with good vision ahead and find it hard to believe there is not a rider out there that has not done this in a safe manner, so i question those who say suck it up and pay. For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.

Video is used heaps in the Kapiti area, red light runners , failure to stop wankers , school zone speeders , railway barrier dodgers etc. WEllington has several intersections with red light runner cameras and they are legally enforcable if the vehicle can be identified.
Keeping left is a std law and the only head on fatal crashes i can think of up any hill have been caused by one of the vehicles , either car or bike crossing that centre line. I know a few cops in the district and they are fed up with having to make house calls to inform next of kin. The other guys i feel for is the poor volantary fireman from Paekakariki having to hose bits of body from the ashphalt.

I have also cut corners and im sure i will next time up the hill but really if the cops use a new tool to try and bring the error to our attention i am not surprised. Whats annoying is we dont know what the new tool is until it gets our wallets out.

Paul.

[MaxB]

Sorry about the ticket dude.

I have to say I am in favour of in car video for the cops. Makes it harder for them to be mistaken.

As long as they target the cage drivers too. And the logging trucks. For example I have never ever been over the Rimutaka Hill Rd without some bozo in a truck or car clipping the corners. That is a lot of trips and a lot of bozos.

[jellywrestler]

I've lost count of how many times lately wankers have cut corners and made my life difficult coming the other way. would you be whining in the same tone if someone had failed to keep left coming towards you??
i think not
Personally i think its good that they are finally using technology to record offences other then speed, theres no argument then.
why do you think so many speeding tickets are issued? cause the judge will beleive a machine whereas if someone gets done for an offence where they drag out a lawyer to haggle and drag the copper into court and gobble up time, the cops just dont bother...
Get cameras in all cop cars that way they can see whose doing stupid shit and we can all be assureed theres a watching eye on police chases too.

I got a mate who spent a lot of time going through the courts on the same charge over the tukas, still had to cough up, bloody hard to fight when they've got this sort of proof sorry

[MSTRS:Me]

Videoing corner-cutters is a new one on me. BUT the polis have been photographing that sort of behaviour for many a moon (on and off). I agree with whoever said if you can't stay on your side then there's something seriously wrong with your vehicle handling 'skills'. In saying that tho, all the people I have heard of being done in this fashion have been done on an open bend (one you can see right through) where there was no safety issue. That smacks of revenue gathering.

[SPman]

Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want. - not a good habit to get into. It's all about habituated responses and road discipline.
If you get into the habit of using the other lane, even in a safe situation, there can come a time, when it may not be safe, but your brain tells you to do it anyway - tiredness, distraction, whatever! It happens!
If you aren't self disciplined enough to be able to ride on your own side of the road at whatever speed you're doing, you need to look seriously at how you are riding on the road - and that's the clincher - it is a public highway, not a closed track!
I tend to keep crossing the centre line to clear passing manouvres or emergencies

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.
That should always be the attitude when you're riding or driving) - pity so few actually do it........

[carbonhed]

I saw that guy and his video camera... didn't bother me because I don't cut the corners. In fact I thought "good on him" if it bitch slaps a few of the fuckwits I regularly meet who can't manage to stay on their own side of the road.

Yay lets hit the twisties aaaaand.... straighten them out

[Patrick]

....There's a couple of corners up there that I routinely do clip though, had a few too many wee slithers on the greasy stuff.

I'd argue it's a valid defense, in practical safety terms if not legal ones.

Only valid if everyone else driving over the "greasy stuff" loses control........ and I bet that didn't happen......

... so i question those who say suck it up and pay.

So..... what was wrong exactly with your side of the road??????????

For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.

"Video recorders" have been around for decades. They are not speed devices. You are confusing the two.

View the vid. Then you will know. The fine is only $150, no disqualification.

Don't name the rider, up to a $10K fine AND possible/probable disqualification.

Video is used heaps ....

All over the country in fact. We even have a brand new one in the Naki!!! Foo ay au.....

but really if the cops use a new tool to try and bring the error to our attention i am not surprised. Whats annoying is we dont know what the new tool is until it gets our wallets out.

Paul.

They aint new. We bought our one back in 1993.... great big clunker it is... and they were around before then even.....

Sorry about the ticket dude.

I have to say I am in favour of in car video for the cops. Makes it harder for them to be mistaken.

As long as they target the cage drivers too. And the logging trucks. For example I have never ever been over the Rimutaka Hill Rd without some bozo in a truck or car clipping the corners. That is a lot of trips and a lot of bozos.

Funny thing is, bikes do not feature too highly in the numbers. Trucks definitely. Cars usually...

Videoing corner-cutters is a new one on me. BUT the polis have been photographing that sort of behaviour for many a moon (on and off). I agree with whoever said if you can't stay on your side then there's something seriously wrong with your vehicle handling 'skills'. In saying that tho, all the people I have heard of being done in this fashion have been done on an open bend (one you can see right through) where there was no safety issue. That smacks of revenue gathering.

See earlier posts. Wrong side of road is the issue with head ons. On every occasion, the wrongdoer thought they had clear road...... This smacks not of revenue gathering, but of people who can't/won't stay on their side of the road. Simple, really.....

Your choice.

[MSTRS:Me]

See earlier posts. Wrong side of road is the issue with head ons. On every occasion, the wrongdoer thought they had clear road...... This smacks not of revenue gathering, but of people who can't/won't stay on their side of the road. Simple, really.....
Your choice.

On balance, I agree. Each of us has 'our' bit of road. We need to stay in it. SPMan has the right idea...we get better at what we practice, and lazy driving will set you up for disaster.
That said, I'm not so sure that every head-on meets your parameters...(you're a cop, so I'm honour-bound to argue with you)

[Fatjim]

At bloody last. They should post cameras on every corner and take the licenses off every wanker that cuts corners up there. Admittedly, you have to really concentrate to keep completely on your side of the road if you're in a car. But whats wrong with a bit of effort now and then.

view the vid, then eat some pie, humble pie that is, if necessary.

[davereid]

I have to agree with plod on this one.

Almost every near miss I have ever had involves someone on my side of the road.

The most common one is when a super slow vehicle like a tractor is driving along, blocking a lane. For some reason, people seem to think that a slow moving vehicle does not need to be passed with the same caution as a fast moving one.

The other one is the motorcyclist, who thinks he MUST pass even though I am coming the other way, or passes me when there is obvious oncoming traffic. This seems to be really common for HD riders for some reason.

This assumes that the road is wide enough for three vehicles and that I have the skill to make the road a bit wider if necessary.

I always try very hard to make room for guys doing this, but one day its gonna go wrong, nothing surer.

If you arent a good enough driver to stay on your own side of the road, catch the bus.