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    Four-stroke performance tuning?

    I hear so much about 2-stroke tuning lately ........

    Let's hear some about the diesels. Lets talk about camshaft lift and duration,...about compression ratios,..about megas and header lengths.

    Who's qualified to discuss this, as my 4st tuning knowledge is limited.

    My Loncin engine has had a ported header (courtesy of Sully60), and hand made inlet manifold with a 30mm pumper and a home-made trumpet. Also utilise a GL-145 header with a KXF250 muffler.
    The camshaft, piston and CR are all stock for now, giving it decent midrange.


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    Four stroke?
    Performance?
    Huh? Doesn't compute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skunk View Post
    Four stroke?
    Performance?
    Huh? Doesn't compute...
    Yeah, that's what they said when the first 4-stroke MotoGP bikes cames along and said bye-bye to the NSR's.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    Yeah, that's what they said when the first 4-stroke MotoGP bikes cames along and said bye-bye to the NSR's.........
    ye what was it 1000cc 4stroke and only 500cc 2 stroke

    no wonder the 2strokes lost out they had to make twice the HP
    and be reliable

    saying that it's all come a long way since then
    things like traction controll and ABS brakes


    also for all the 2strokers out there a cut and past

    The first thing to note is that in order to change your bike into a four stroke, you need to remove the spark plugs. You will need to visit Repco, and buy a left hand direction spark plug remover. Simply replace the spark plugs with 4 stroke spark plugs. You will need a right hand direction spark plug inserter. I suggest printing out this advice and taking it with you, the car guys can be a little slow to understand.

    You will also need to turn the direction of the motor around, 180 degrees. This is due to the power on the 4 stroke engine running the opposite direction as mentioned before. Be careful, I know a guy who forgot this, and he ended up starting his bike, opening the throttle, and then flying over the handlebars as he couldn't hold the weight of his ape, and his own body weight as the bike rapidly moved backwards.

    Now, in order to turn the motor 180 degrees, you will need to buy the spark plugs mentioned above, but also a new back wheel. Make sure it is made in the correct part of the world. It gets really confusing, and if you get the wheel wrong, the bike will either be really fast (wheel rotating in the same direction as the motor) or it won't move at all (wheel cancels out the motor).

    The world of motorcycling can be very confusing with lots of poor advice, lucky you came to the right place first. WhiteTrash has a very high score beside his name, that's because he is all wise, and all knowing.

    Finally, you will need a set of decent ape hanger handle bars as MsKaBC suggests, sportsbikes can be hard to handle, so you need to assure yourself that you've got all the right parts. I'd suggest going to see Tony at Haldane's, that's in Penrose, Auckland, and explain you need a set of ape hangers for your bike, and tell him you need the sort with a long weight.

    It might take you some time for him to find the part number, but I assure you, they will be worth it. Valentino Rossi has a pair, look how fast he is.

    Kind regards, MadBikeBoy.

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    Oh, one more thing, I was just talking with someone who went through the process - your bike is sometimes referred to as a rice burner. This is not accurate, your bike runs on normal petrol, and not on rice squeezings. With some additives, you might consider using rice squeezings instead. You will need to buy a loose nut adjuster (about $50), and a big vat, you can find them on trademe - they're used for distilling whisky. As luck would have it, WhiteTrash has one of these, actually, he has several of these - he uses them for his moonshine distillery.

    So, once you have the vat, and the loose nut adjuster, you need to boil about 5 kg of long grain rice (don't use short grain rice, it's too volitile). You will need to boil the rice for about 2-3 days, and all the vapour gets collected in the pipework, (just like whisky distilling, and this is how petrol is distilled), and then you let that sit for about a week. WhiteTrash, you're the expert here, help me out if I've got any of the detail wrong.

    So, once you filter that, you're reading to put the rice squeezings in your bike. You will need to suck the petrol through, I'd just attach a hose to the exhaust port, you'll be able to tell when you start to taste the liquid come through.

    Then, once you're good to go, just hit the starter button. Some people experience problems at first, but once your rice burner is actually running on rice, it will sound distinctly different. If you've ever heard the wonderful sound of a Honda VTR twin, that's what your bike will sound like, and it's very impressive.

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    4-stroke and performance, can't legaly get the two words to go together can you?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by TZ350 View Post
    4-stroke and performance, can't legaly get the two words to go together can you?????

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    I think someone has been stroking 'something' more than 4 times.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    I think someone has been stroking 'something' more than 4 times.............
    No it was just four strokes. I counted.


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    sheeeeez,...I think I'm sorry I brought up this thread......


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    Here's alex barros, showing why 2 strokes are so cool.

    It was shot in 02'? When the switch was made, just look at his corner speed! compared too the 990's, ofc that would be different these days with the 800's being very light.


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    Quote Originally Posted by quallman1234 View Post
    Here's alex barros, showing why 2 strokes are so cool.

    It was shot in 02'? When the switch was made, just look at his corner speed! compared too the 990's, ofc that would be different these days with the 800's being very light.
    Cool t hay were, but in reality the 2 stroker had had years of GP development at that stage and the 4's were new - kind of like Hoyosung entering Moto GP today - it may take a few years for them to get up to speed! (be interesting to see what BMW does).

    You'd find that same impressive 2-stroke is probably a P.O.S competing with the current electronic masterpieces in MotoGP.

    I have read a few books by riders of those 2 stroke GP bikes - the yall describe them as untamed monsters!

    At the end of the day if they were still that bloody good they will still be on the track today as you race what wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    sheeeeez,...I think I'm sorry I brought up this thread......
    Nah, it's good entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    sheeeeez,...I think I'm sorry I brought up this thread......
    Common man, you're asking for it when you put 'Loncin' '4 Stroke' and 'Performance' in a thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    You'd find that same impressive 2-stroke is probably a P.O.S competing with the current electronic masterpieces in MotoGP.

    I have read a few books by riders of those 2 stroke GP bikes - the yall describe them as untamed monsters!

    At the end of the day if they were still that bloody good they will still be on the track today as you race what wins.
    of course they would be
    but then we have rs250 honda's now if you made them an inline4 with 990cc dispalacement with all the electronics wiz bang of today then you may have a chance of taking on an F1 car
    the mighty 2 stroke never had a chance
    it was a case of if we cant beat it we will rule it out of the running

    now lets make buckets more fun
    F4 150cc watercolled 2stroke ???? wonder weather you will find a 4stroke in sight
    F5 100 watercooled 2stroke just so those old f5 bikes can still be used

    or we could follow the GP bikes and say 200cc 4stroke and only 100cc 2stroke (that way you can say that 4 strokes are faster and prove it at the same time)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nudemetalz View Post
    I hear so much about 2-stroke tuning lately ........

    Let's hear some about the diesels. Lets talk about camshaft lift and duration,...about compression ratios,..about megas and header lengths.

    Who's qualified to discuss this, as my 4st tuning knowledge is limited.

    My Loncin engine has had a ported header (courtesy of Sully60), and hand made inlet manifold with a 30mm pumper and a home-made trumpet. Also utilise a GL-145 header with a KXF250 muffler.
    The camshaft, piston and CR are all stock for now, giving it decent midrange.
    4 stroke tuning is EASY!

    ACTIVATE ZAVANCE!

    Seriously though, Mr Bell who wrote one of the very good two stroke tuning books as also written a great one on four stroke tuning, it is very good and will have information relevant to your loncin.
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