To Robert Taylor and other MNZ bashers

[Robert Taylor]

In the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher, ''no point in looking back into the past, we are not going there''.

[Paul in NZ]

In the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher, ''no point in looking back into the past, we are not going there''.

True but then again, if you ignore history you may be doomed to repeat it.... Which is wot MT's mum said when she was born....

[Drew]

Righto then, we've established fuck all, and dredged up a thread most people had forgotten.

The original topic was a whinge at RT, and some others that have "bashed" mnz, and it's top man.

There is a simple answer to the post.


HARDEN THE FUCK UP!!!

You took some shit personally, boo fuckin hoo! It was not directed at you, and you have imagined the context in which to put it.

Everyone has an opinion, deal with it! At your stage in life ya should really have come to terms with it.




III, you have yet to make a valid point. Other than piss people off, and bum lick the Pavs, you've acheived nothing. Just piss off already.

[Robert Taylor]

True but then again, if you ignore history you may be doomed to repeat it.... Which is wot MT's mum said when she was born....

Thats a valid point as well which has its place. Off topic but it appears (formerly ) Great Britain needs a solid dose of Thatcherism again given that the disastrous Gordon botchup Brown has destroyed the place, well beyond the effects of the recession.


One of the mistakes of our motorcycle road racing past is that we didnt carry on with the Marlboro series, a series with world class ( and high cost )machinery and top riders. People want to see spectacular fast machinery. No different than if you go to auto racing, you go to watch the V8s and you go and buy a hotdog when the Formula Firsts are monotonously crawling around the track.

[Drew]

Thats a valid point as well which has its place. Off topic but it appears (formerly ) Great Britain needs a solid dose of Thatcherism again given that the disastrous Gordon botchup Brown has destroyed the place, well beyond the effects of the recession.

Ahhhhh, you're an antagonist too.

People want to see spectacular fast machinery. No different than if you go to auto racing, you go to watch the V8s and you go and buy a hotdog when the Formula Firsts are monotonously crawling around the track.

My bikes spectacularly fast, and presented.



COME WATCH ME RACE PEOPLE!!

[Paul in NZ]

One of the mistakes of our motorcycle road racing past is that we didnt carry on with the Marlboro series, a series with world class ( and high cost )machinery and top riders. People want to see spectacular fast machinery. No different than if you go to auto racing, you go to watch the V8s and you go and buy a hotdog when the Formula Firsts are monotonously crawling around the track.

Yes and no...

The mistake was motorcycle racers thought they knew what the public wanted but... they didn't...

People want spectacular period... and, they want to be TOLD its spectacular...

[Drew]

, they want to be TOLD its spectacular...

Not sure I get your meaning here Paul. Are saying folks cant decide what is spectacular for themselves, or fore warned that something will be spectacular. I prefer the latter if it were only true that people would come in droves.

"Ladies, I'm a spectacular lover"!

Might not be true, but they wont find that out till I'm done now will they.

[NDORFN]

at least 500km a week, sometimes 700km; you?

500-700km/week??? Lucky bastard!

[merv]

This is the table that tells part of the story http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/statistics/m.../table-20.html just look at the sales figures in the 70's and 80's. Things have picked up lately because of scooter sales.

There were so many people buying bikes then which allowed the importers to spend relatively more money on racing and things like the Marlboro series, Castrol Six Hour and the Nationals under whatever name (Brut series etc) were televised, presumably paid for by sponsorship and advertising. It all came to a grinding halt as the economics of bike sales bit in. That I believe was due to two things, the general downturn and that shift of people's attention to other interests that all compete for our money. The sales figures reflect this shift of attention.

There are just so many things one can do with their money these days and its all getting diluted. The stories of car racing crowds are the same, back in the 50's and 60's crowds were huge when Stirling Moss etc came to town because it was the big event of the time. People still talk fondly of the car racing at Ardmore, Levin etc - now all gone.

The young crowds are now out at the huge turnout boy racer nights for example. Knowing my two offspring (no longer living at home and well in their twenties), they live a totally different life to what I did at that age as they don't even live in the same time zone. Even the young people I have worked with don't typically go to events during the day, they are in bed all day after their big nights out until 7.30am etc. Racers just don't race when these people are alert. You'd need to do a Qatar and have night races perhaps.

I suspect whoever is in charge at MNZ has the impossible task of trying to deal with the amazing and rapid changes that are now occurring in society.

[Paul in NZ]

Not sure I get your meaning here Paul. Are saying folks cant decide what is spectacular for themselves, or fore warned that something will be spectacular. I prefer the latter if it were only true that people would come in droves.

"Ladies, I'm a spectacular lover"!

Might not be true, but they wont find that out till I'm done now will they.

Oh they can decide OK... But they would have to be there to see it first and they are not turning up...

OK - lets try another track... Who do you think the selling of motorcycle racing is targeted at? Motorcyclists? If so, what is the biggest demographic of motorcyclists?

[scrivy]

People want spectacular period... and, they want to be TOLD its spectacular...

er..............


ok, so I've got a race meeting called the Taupo Road Race Spectacular......

Does that count??


Scrivy,


Taking the piss again.....

[Deano]

If so, what is the biggest demographic of motorcyclists?

KB fags ?

[johan]

Oh they can decide OK... But they would have to be there to see it first and they are not turning up...

OK - lets try another track... Who do you think the selling of motorcycle racing is targeted at? Motorcyclists? If so, what is the biggest demographic of motorcyclists?

If we want more spectators to help grow the sport, I would start with hiring a camera crew and an editor for a day or a few hours.

In fact, I would already be in contact with Biggles to support what he is trying to do, that is just the product we need to catch peoples interest.

If you can't catch peoples interest while sitting in front of the TV or computer screen, you will never get them down to the dirty and noisy track.

Make the most of the new technology. It's cheap and can reach anyone with a screen.

Of course, I'm biased, coming from the media/advert industry.

[scracha]

Thats a valid point as well which has its place. Off topic but it appears (formerly ) Great Britain needs a solid dose of Thatcherism again given that the disastrous Gordon botchup Brown has destroyed the place, well beyond the effects of the recession.

Off topic but...

Sorry Dr Bob but the Iron Lady completely destroyed the future of non home owners (i.e. everyone under 35), students from low income familes and anyone north of the M25 in the UK. Gordie Broon hasn't been in power long enough to have caused the complete fuckup that is currently the UK.

People have short memories of how bad Britain was when the tories were in power.


Johan, my sentiments exactly and I've suggested it in the past. Can't see why we're all obsessed about having spectators sat freezing their arse off at the track when they could be sat watching the far better 'on board' bike action on their couch.

[Robert Taylor]

er..............


ok, so I've got a race meeting called the Taupo Road Race Spectacular......

Does that count??


Scrivy,


Taking the piss again.....

And that was a bloody good meeting Scrivvy!