Cornering in sand. Stand or sit?

**B0000M** · 29th June 2009, 15:24

Originally Posted by kezzafish

Booom you also said that you "disagree that there is a right or wrong way"... i never said there was a right or wrong way

wasnt disagreeing with anyone in particular- more disagreeing with the concept of "you do it like this and like this only"

**barty5** · 29th June 2009, 15:27

Originally Posted by kezzafish

I think it looks like noobi is standing up in corners then almost coming to a stop and overbalancing... his weight would be less overbalance while the bike is leaned over if he was lower.

Just go bit faste round the corner keeps the balancing act out of it. You slow down in the sand and you tend to go all over the place (less control) when its soft.

**barty5** · 29th June 2009, 15:31

Guess the point is dosnt matter what your riding, what sorta track, or what sorta ground your on everyone is going to have a different riding style.

**L Rider** · 29th June 2009, 15:50

Originally Posted by barty5

You just have to roll your foot further forward and if yah going quick enough for get the clutch i hardly ever use it changing up. And try not to look down at what your doin see lot people doin that eye on where you want to go unless you want to hit the ground.

Its that moving/rolling the foot forward part that i'm scared of doing thinking i'll then crap off lol. It was not long ago though that i had to look down to change gears & think how the hell to do it, by that time i'd lost the tiny bit of speed i had so didn't need to change. One day i'll surprise myself & work it out.

**noobi** · 29th June 2009, 15:51

can i just clear something up, i fell over more times in front of keiths camera than i have in a any one day at the sandpit, most of the time was just doing dumb stuff like riding into a sharp corner in too higher gear, not getting to the clutch quick enough and stalling then overbalancing and dropping the bike, and yes its quite tall and im 5'4''.
but normally i hardly ever fall off on the tracks that are part of that video. but it was just an off day really, and having a front tyre that im ripping the knobs off cant have helped either.
but i stand 99% of the time, mainly because i find it more comfortable that way, and the seat on the gasgas is like a plank!. but i am more stable when standing up and only sit down if the corner is too tight and im not going fast enough, normally i lean the bike over a bit, use the berm if theres one and power out of it.

**L Rider** · 29th June 2009, 15:58

Originally Posted by noobi

can i just clear something up, i fell over more times in front of keiths camera than i have in a any one day at the sandpit, most of the time was just doing dumb stuff like riding into a sharp corner in too higher gear, not getting to the clutch quick enough and stalling then overbalancing and dropping the bike, and yes its quite tall and im 5'4''.
but normally i hardly ever fall off on the tracks that are part of that video. but it was just an off day really, and having a front tyre that im ripping the knobs off cant have helped either.
but i stand 99% of the time, mainly because i find it more comfortable that way, and the seat on the gasgas is like a plank!. but i am more stable when standing up and only sit down if the corner is too tight and im not going fast enough, normally i lean the bike over a bit, use the berm if theres one and power out of it.

Was it that day we were out there? 2 wknds ago? I don't reckon you need to explain yourself - we all ride our own ways & we all have good & bad days. Camera's tend to catch the bad days

As for the tall bike thing Dale, look at John & his lol he can jst touch the toes of one foot on the ground - maybe a camera following him?

**random rider** · 29th June 2009, 16:26

Originally Posted by L Rider

Was it that day we were out there? 2 wknds ago? I don't reckon you need to explain yourself - we all ride our own ways & we all have good & bad days. Camera's tend to catch the bad days

As for the tall bike thing Dale, look at John & his lol he can jst touch the toes of one foot on the ground - maybe a camera following him?

I agree with Joan - when there is a camera things always go wrong

Hell I don't need a camera for that to happen. But now I am confused. I am really new to this and use to compete in BMX nationally and I can tell you that body positions and feet positions etc are totally different. At this stage I haven't found what is comfortable...but want to find out what is correct so that I don't get bad habits started.....any help for a very new and slightly kamakaze chick??

**kezzafish** · 29th June 2009, 16:37

yeah sorry to make an example of ya noobi... we all do this shit and hindsight is a marvellous thing... Just something i noticed and thought it'd make an interesting subject for a thread but it got quite heated and opinionated (myself included) quite quickly lol...

On second watch of the video (just now) my point is less evident than i thought.... it looks like it is a bit tall for ya and your not committing and keeping ya feet on the pegs (maybe 'cos in the back of ya head you know you can't touch the ground)... please take this as constructive criticism and not a straight dis... I am a considerably average rider but try to ride with people better than me and listen to their criticisms in order to improve... the single best piece of advice i was ever given was "keep your feet on the pegs" and i often now beat the guy who gave me the advice LOL

**noobi** · 29th June 2009, 17:05

Originally Posted by kezzafish

yeah sorry to make an example of ya noobi... we all do this shit and hindsight is a marvellous thing... Just something i noticed and thought it'd make an interesting subject for a thread but it got quite heated and opinionated (myself included) quite quickly lol...

On second watch of the video (just now) my point is less evident than i thought.... it looks like it is a bit tall for ya and your not committing and keeping ya feet on the pegs (maybe 'cos in the back of ya head you know you can't touch the ground)... please take this as constructive criticism and not a straight dis... I am a considerably average rider but try to ride with people better than me and listen to their criticisms in order to improve... the single best piece of advice i was ever given was "keep your feet on the pegs" and i often now beat the guy who gave me the advice LOL

no problem really.
but out of all the 2 odd hours footage that was taken, most of that video is me falling off, or struggling and looking like an idiot. theres 3 minutes of video and you guys are assuming thats how i ride, sheesh, i could find 3 minutes of bubba crashing, would you assume that he always crashes? no he's the man

iv been riding for about 2 years, i feel im doing alright. iv had one lesson from mike cotter when i had my crf150f, and the most important thing he said was to stand as much as possible. dad and i were both just learning when we got bikes so we just taught ourselves.
and we have only ridden sand maybe 5 times EVER, so if i was pro straight away i would be rather impressed. i go fine on dirt and clay

from that post kezza, are you saying that i should sit down and put a leg out? how does that stop the front washing out? i hardly brake on sand so its not that causing the wash out. and the parts of the video that was reffered to when i wash out the front, every time i was standing, the and two of the crashes are from hitting a log and a stump. the part in the middle where i sit down lots and paddle, is because it was really dry there so the sand was really deep and soft, and there were some interesting hills there to, seeing as its the big dipper

i hardly ever sit down now, stand most of the time, its easier for me to deal with tricky stuff thats on the track, its easier to deal with bumps as the seat and the suspension are so hard

rant over

**oldskool** · 29th June 2009, 17:10

Originally Posted by kezzafish

yeah sorry to make an example of ya noobi... we all do this shit and hindsight is a marvellous thing... Just something i noticed and thought it'd make an interesting subject for a thread but it got quite heated and opinionated (myself included) quite quickly lol...

On second watch of the video (just now) my point is less evident than i thought.... it looks like it is a bit tall for ya and your not committing and keeping ya feet on the pegs (maybe 'cos in the back of ya head you know you can't touch the ground)... please take this as constructive criticism and not a straight dis... I am a considerably average rider but try to ride with people better than me and listen to their criticisms in order to improve... the single best piece of advice i was ever given was "keep your feet on the pegs" and i often now beat the guy who gave me the advice LOL

I've ridden with Noobs a lot, I think it's safe to say we're kinda like riding partners..in a Manly sorta way!!, I can safely say he is a very good rider considering he's only ridden for 2 years. We did the 90km Dam Buster/Tussock Buster ride together and I marveled at the way he bounced from berm to berm like a jack rabbit. As Noobs said he rides 90% of the time standing...partly due to the fact his height, either sitting or standing doesn't alter much his COG! He has a great and natural riding style which I envy. He hardly ever falls off and must have been pushing it for the video camera and having some fun at it. That video doesn't do him justice and I think Keith meant it as a tongue in cheek fun thing and not to be taken seriously!

**jt119** · 29th June 2009, 17:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345INZGaZ6A

Originally Posted by noobi

can i just clear something up, i fell over more times in front of keiths camera than i have in a any one day at the sandpit, most of the time was just doing dumb stuff like riding into a sharp corner in too higher gear, not getting to the clutch quick enough and stalling then overbalancing and dropping the bike, and yes its quite tall and im 5'4''.
but normally i hardly ever fall off on the tracks that are part of that video. but it was just an off day really, and having a front tyre that im ripping the knobs off cant have helped either.
but i stand 99% of the time, mainly because i find it more comfortable that way, and the seat on the gasgas is like a plank!. but i am more stable when standing up and only sit down if the corner is too tight and im not going fast enough, normally i lean the bike over a bit, use the berm if theres one and power out of it.

doing ok in this one